2018 Canadian Politics Thread—ON, QC, and BC vote

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

If the OP is still accurate, "Details haven't been fleshed out yet".

FPTP is pure trash, you need more proportionalism.

As for the move, you can do what you want but what you say makes me think of all the Con's who wanted to move from America when Obama was elected and re elected.


Or the people who threatened to move up here when Trump stumbled into the White House.

As I can see, none of those people ever moved.

From the debates in the Provincial Legislatures, to the drafts published, and even from what the government publishes on the propaganda website advocating the reform, you can get a good idea about what the intentions of the actual reforms are.

To give people more voteing power?

As I said, FPTP is pure trash.

[Ameriva]

From the debates in the Provincial Legislatures, to the drafts published, and even from what the government publishes on the propaganda website advocating the reform, you can get a good idea about what the intentions of the actual reforms are.

To give people more voteing power?

As I said, FPTP is pure trash.

Wrong. The proposition is essentially a sugarcoated bill that will enable the NDP to gerrymander the shit out of our future elections.

[MERIZoC]

To give people more voteing power?

As I said, FPTP is pure trash.

Wrong. The proposition is essentially a sugarcoated bill that will enable the NDP to gerrymander the shit out of our future elections.

That's not what gerrymandering means

Yeah so I'm still unclear as to how proportional representation will somehow make them less relevant.

The problem is no non-leftist party even bothers to run for Legislature. The BC Conservatives don't even receive funding from the CPC IIRC, so they don't bother running as you can't win elections without a well-funded campaign. Should they actually run, I forsee the north part of the province definitely voting Conservative, along the Transcanada east of Surrey would also all be Conservative, which could actually flip the legislature under the current system.

lol, sure dude, keep dreaming

[Ameriva]

Wrong. The proposition is essentially a sugarcoated bill that will enable the NDP to gerrymander the shit out of our future elections.

That's not what gerrymandering means

The problem is no non-leftist party even bothers to run for Legislature. The BC Conservatives don't even receive funding from the CPC IIRC, so they don't bother running as you can't win elections without a well-funded campaign. Should they actually run, I forsee the north part of the province definitely voting Conservative, along the Transcanada east of Surrey would also all be Conservative, which could actually flip the legislature under the current system.

lol, sure dude, keep dreaming

Wrong. The proposition is essentially a sugarcoated bill that will enable the NDP to gerrymander the shit out of our future elections.

And, as I said, there is a good chance of it happening if the Conservatives bothered to put someone up for election in every riding, and ran attack ads targeting Comrade Horgan's (many) failures as Premier.

[Van Hool Islands]

The BC Conservatives don't receive funding from the federal Tories because no provincial Conservative party does. Not the Conservatives in BC. Not the UCP in Alberta. Not the PCs in Manitoba, Ontario, New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, or Newfoundland.

The BC Conservatives haven't been relevant in a very long time anyways. The Socreds before 1991 and since then the BC Liberals have been the dominant force in the British Columbian right wing instead.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

That's not what gerrymandering means
lol, sure dude, keep dreaming

Wrong. The proposition is essentially a sugarcoated bill that will enable the NDP to gerrymander the shit out of our future elections.

And, as I said, there is a good chance of it happening if the Conservatives bothered to put someone up for election in every riding, and ran attack ads targeting Comrade Horgan's (many) failures as Premier.

Attack ads didn't work in the general election for the cons, why would it work for them here?

In fact, it backfired spectacularly for them.

Did I ever tell you the definition of "Insanity"?

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To break up the negativity, I love what the Ont Liberals did with OHIP+.

It is a very helpful thing to me and many kids.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

With Trump's unpopularity in Canada noted, I think most people will be scared off of the right.

[The Liberated Territories]

Any electoral reform that passes under the current Liberal rule would be a sham at best. Trudeau knows that electoral reform disadvantages his party.

Though it would be a delicious bit of irony if electoral reform caused other parties to band against them.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Any electoral reform that passes under the current Liberal rule would be a sham at best. Trudeau knows that electoral reform disadvantages his party.

Though it would be a delicious bit of irony if electoral reform caused other parties to band against them.

You do know that Trudeau has nothing to do with BC electoral reform right?

As in, that's not how Canadian politics works. Elections BC is not ordered around by federal government, it is instead ordered by the Legislative Assembly of British Columbia.

[The Liberated Territories]

Any electoral reform that passes under the current Liberal rule would be a sham at best. Trudeau knows that electoral reform disadvantages his party.

Though it would be a delicious bit of irony if electoral reform caused other parties to band against them.

You do know that Trudeau has nothing to do with BC electoral reform right?

As in, that's not how Canadian politics works. Elections BC is not ordered around by federal government, it is instead ordered by the Legislative Assembly of British Columbia.

I'm talking about it as a whole, yes.

But it doesn't matter. Electoral reform disadvantages the Liberals. That is why they don't do it.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

You do know that Trudeau has nothing to do with BC electoral reform right?

As in, that's not how Canadian politics works. Elections BC is not ordered around by federal government, it is instead ordered by the Legislative Assembly of British Columbia.

I'm talking about it as a whole, yes.

But it doesn't matter. Electoral reform disadvantages the Liberals. That is why they don't do it.

Oh, my mistake, I though you where talking about the BC reform.

Sadly, yes there not doing it.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

US, France and, UK have started air striking Syria.

Justin, please. Please please, do not send the Cad forces in.


I will vote for you forever if you don't send our forces in.

Just, do this one thing Justin. I'll even forgive you for not doing the electoral reform.'


Just don't send us to war. Please.

[MERIZoC]

Canada won't be involved, this was confirmed a couple days ago.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Canada won't be involved, this was confirmed a couple days ago.

We won't?

Thank you. Thank you Justin. You amazing human being, thank you for not going to war.

[MERIZoC]

Latest poll has NDP just 5 points behind the Tories in Ontario. If we win this, that could be huge for momentum going into 2019.

Or it could lead to fuck all and we get less than 40 seats

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

I asked all my local candidates this question:

As you know, the attack in Toronto was heartbreaking. It was caused by a mental health problem.

What will your party do if elected to the following things:

- OHIP +
- ODSP
- Mental health in general

So far no one has responded.

This is a big issue for me, so I will most likely base my vote off of this question.

As for federal, I asked my MP and he told me that the feds invested $5 billion in mental health.

As if I didn't have enough reasons to vote Liberal again.

[Union of Socialist Alpine Republics]

Eh. No love for the east, they're in their own grave now and I can care less. I'll just be in my seat ready to give the Alberta NPD the boot. If I were in Ontario I would honestly vote Greens to not contribute to any of that political landscape. My advice for Quebec is to vote BQ and get out while you can. For BC? Nothing but props if they pass it.

Why? This is a great country and Q should stay.

Why would Québec stay? The federal government is draining all our money and ressources and leaves us nothing in return (a perequation is nothing to me). And it's better to take decisions ourselves than letting others decide for us.

[Major-Tom]

Latest poll has NDP just 5 points behind the Tories in Ontario. If we win this, that could be huge for momentum going into 2019.

Or it could lead to fuck all and we get less than 40 seats

Ain't FPTP awesome?

For real tho, after the colossal failure of Wynne's government, we both know Ford and the PC's will win. I mean, that's just the likely case.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

As somebody who currently resides in Québec (Montréal, to be more specific), I am seriously considering voting for the Coalition Avenir Québec (CAQ).

The Parti Libéral du Québec (PLQ) has shown to not exactly be the most competent nor the most innovative of political parties (in other words, a generic establishment party that reeks of corruption), the Parti Québécois (PQ) is effectively collapsing due to the rapidly diminishing importance of Quebec sovereignty and their inability to reform into a more inclusive party that doesn't orbit entirely around "lol plz gib quebec independence or we will send strongly worded letters to canada" and thus no longer a relevant party in current Quebec politics, and I would rather walk from Pointe-Aux-Trembles to Sainte-Anne-De-Bellevue TWICE than to vote for that socialist Québec Solidaire (QS) party.

The CAQ, while somewhat shaky regarding where it stands on the political spectrum and its slight dependence on the charisma of its leader François Legault, is arguably the most sensible choice for Québec (because seriously, screw the PLQ, and the rest are effectively irrelevant), although I would have to familiarize myself with their plan of action before fully deciding on my CAQ vote.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Why? This is a great country and Q should stay.

Why would Québec stay? The federal government is draining all our money and ressources and leaves us nothing in return (a perequation is nothing to me). And it's better to take decisions ourselves than letting others decide for us.

No there not and the feds also provide mental health care and military protection.

That and leaving is unconstitutional.

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Communist party candidate and PC candidate here got back to me.

Both responses where reasonable.


PC candidate want to make a $2.1 billion investment in mental healthcare and a 2.3$B into ODSP.

Directly quoting him here"

"This includes raising social assistance rates, extensive rule changes to allow for a system that supports rather than punishes recipients, and an increase in the amount an individual can earn from $200/month to $400/month in year one and by year three an annualized exemption of $6000 to allow those that can only work sporadically to benefit from the increase."


He didn't say much on OHIP+, one of the good things the Liberals did.

Communist party was also reasonable in it's response.

Apparently, ODSP rates where cut 21% in the 90's.

Commies also wanted "full coverage for pharmacare and mental health care, along with dental, vision and long-term care."

So that's nice.

NDP, Ont Liberals, Independent, direct democracy party and, Libertarians, have yet to get back to me.


It's strange, no matter who wins here now, I feel like everything's going to be ok.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

TBH, I hate how doom and gloom this thread is.

I live in a liberal area and, despite some gripes, everything is fine.

The sun is shining, i'm getting the help I need for my disorder, everyone is friendly and nice, I know a little kart place that has great poutine and sausage, I feel safe.

I don't know why this thread is so gloomy, everything is fine you silly grumps.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

My mistake, it was the Ont Lib who contacted me not the Con.

[Tysoania]

I don't know why this thread is so gloomy

The bots in this thread are running their negativity subroutines.

[The Krogan]

TBH, I hate how doom and gloom this thread is.

I live in a liberal area and, despite some gripes, everything is fine.

The sun is shining, i'm getting the help I need for my disorder, everyone is friendly and nice, I know a little kart place that has great poutine and sausage, I feel safe.

I don't know why this thread is so gloomy, everything is fine you silly grumps.

It's always gloomy when a Quebecer tells you they want a divorce.

I live in a majority conservative rural area where the worst thing to happen since the gays is Justin Trudeau and where Black Lives Matter is instead "Rural Lives Matter". A truly wonky place if I do say so myself.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

TBH, I hate how doom and gloom this thread is.

I live in a liberal area and, despite some gripes, everything is fine.

The sun is shining, i'm getting the help I need for my disorder, everyone is friendly and nice, I know a little kart place that has great poutine and sausage, I feel safe.

I don't know why this thread is so gloomy, everything is fine you silly grumps.

It's always gloomy when a Quebecer tells you they want a divorce.

I live in a majority conservative rural area where the worst thing to happen since the gays is Justin Trudeau and where Black Lives Matter is instead "Rural Lives Matter". A truly wonky place if I do say so myself.

Oh wow.