2018 Canadian Politics Thread—ON, QC, and BC vote

[Major-Tom]

What's interesting to me is that Mr. Ford has/had favorability ratings of consistently around 35% for much of his campaign, yet wins a big fat majority government. FPTP working great, eh, boys?

[Eclius]

Same for where I live, PC and NDP had equal amount of signs, while liberals had like two or three. But then again, Wynn's reign is finally over (though, I personally prefer NDP's education promises. Funny thing, we had a mock election in our school, somehow PC ended up in the third place, with NDP being the majority, and Liberals being the opposition.

If we did that kinda stuff when I was still in school, I probably would have seen the same results. Apart from me I only have three friends who voted or supported PC.

Liberals should should be ashamed of themselves. Honestly, I'm a pragmatic, techno-progressive center leaning left guy, and yet I'm willing to vote for the right wing party instead of the left because liberals are soo incompetent (NDP is not bad, but I'm a bit concerned about the debt we'd get from Horwath's policies, namely the sanctuary province policy)

[MERIZoC]

If we did that kinda stuff when I was still in school, I probably would have seen the same results. Apart from me I only have three friends who voted or supported PC.

Liberals should should be ashamed of themselves. Honestly, I'm a pragmatic, techno-progressive center leaning left guy, and yet I'm willing to vote for the right wing party instead of the left because liberals are soo incompetent (NDP is not bad, but I'm a bit concerned about the debt we'd get from Horwath's policies, namely the sanctuary province policy)

The PCs literally did not have a costed plan lmao

[Kvatchdom]

Liberals should should be ashamed of themselves. Honestly, I'm a pragmatic, techno-progressive center leaning left guy, and yet I'm willing to vote for the right wing party instead of the left because liberals are soo incompetent (NDP is not bad, but I'm a bit concerned about the debt we'd get from Horwath's policies, namely the sanctuary province policy)

The PCs literally did not have a costed plan lmao

Centrists commonly stray right in the voting booth.

[Luziyca]

I cannot say I am entirely surprised by the Ontario results, as a Saskatchewanian.

I wanted the NDP to win, since they seemed much less scandal-ridden than the Liberals or the PCs, plus, for the most part, they had great policies, especially regarding investments to education, the return of Hydro One to public ownership, and to raise corporate tax.

But considering that it seems like many people on Facebook seemed to support him, I am not entirely surprised that Doug Ford won.

As a matter of fact, I feel that come next year, while I will support and vote for the NDP in the federal election, I am pretty sure that we're probably going to get another Tory government: if we're lucky, maybe a Liberal minority government.

[Major-Tom]

I cannot say I am entirely surprised by the Ontario results, as a Saskatchewanian.

I wanted the NDP to win, since they seemed much less scandal-ridden than the Liberals or the PCs, plus, for the most part, they had great policies, especially regarding investments to education, the return of Hydro One to public ownership, and to raise corporate tax.

But considering that it seems like many people on Facebook seemed to support him, I am not entirely surprised that Doug Ford won.

As a matter of fact, I feel that come next year, while I will support and vote for the NDP in the federal election, I am pretty sure that we're probably going to get another Tory government: if we're lucky, maybe a Liberal minority government.

If Scheer pulls off a victory in 2019, I have a suspicion it'll be a minority government, as opposed to a majority government.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

I cannot say I am entirely surprised by the Ontario results, as a Saskatchewanian.

I wanted the NDP to win, since they seemed much less scandal-ridden than the Liberals or the PCs, plus, for the most part, they had great policies, especially regarding investments to education, the return of Hydro One to public ownership, and to raise corporate tax.

But considering that it seems like many people on Facebook seemed to support him, I am not entirely surprised that Doug Ford won.

As a matter of fact, I feel that come next year, while I will support and vote for the NDP in the federal election, I am pretty sure that we're probably going to get another Tory government: if we're lucky, maybe a Liberal minority government.

I wanted the NDP to win too.

But the tory's don't seem too bad this time.

I'm willing to give them a shot.

If they blow it, I can always say "Don't blame me I voted NDP"

[Major-Tom]

I cannot say I am entirely surprised by the Ontario results, as a Saskatchewanian.

I wanted the NDP to win, since they seemed much less scandal-ridden than the Liberals or the PCs, plus, for the most part, they had great policies, especially regarding investments to education, the return of Hydro One to public ownership, and to raise corporate tax.

But considering that it seems like many people on Facebook seemed to support him, I am not entirely surprised that Doug Ford won.

As a matter of fact, I feel that come next year, while I will support and vote for the NDP in the federal election, I am pretty sure that we're probably going to get another Tory government: if we're lucky, maybe a Liberal minority government.

I wanted the NDP to win too.

But the tory's don't seem too bad this time.

I'm willing to give them a shot.

If they blow it, I can always say "Don't blame me I voted NDP"

I don't trust Ford. His platform was nearly non-existent, and he works under the assumption that an already severely indebted Ontario can function with tax cuts and increased spending. Inane.

[Luziyca]

I cannot say I am entirely surprised by the Ontario results, as a Saskatchewanian.

I wanted the NDP to win, since they seemed much less scandal-ridden than the Liberals or the PCs, plus, for the most part, they had great policies, especially regarding investments to education, the return of Hydro One to public ownership, and to raise corporate tax.

But considering that it seems like many people on Facebook seemed to support him, I am not entirely surprised that Doug Ford won.

As a matter of fact, I feel that come next year, while I will support and vote for the NDP in the federal election, I am pretty sure that we're probably going to get another Tory government: if we're lucky, maybe a Liberal minority government.

If Scheer pulls off a victory in 2019, I have a suspicion it'll be a minority government, as opposed to a majority government.

Probably.

But if we consider that Trudeau, as of March of 2018, has a 37% approval rating, and considering that it is pretty unlikely the NDP will win in Quebec since in 2017, only 36% of Quebecers were willing to vote for a party led by a man wearing a religious head-covering. And considering Quebec contributes 78 seats to the House of Commons, out of a total of 338... I would be surprised and amazed if the NDP takes most of Quebec's seats in 2019.

So realistically, I reckon that come 2019, we're probably going to see a Scheer government. Hopefully, it would be a minority government, so we may have a possibility of a Liberal-NDP coalition.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

I wanted the NDP to win too.

But the tory's don't seem too bad this time.

I'm willing to give them a shot.

If they blow it, I can always say "Don't blame me I voted NDP"

I don't trust Ford. His platform was nearly non-existent, and he works under the assumption that an already severely indebted Ontario can function with tax cuts and increased spending. Inane.

As long as he doesn't touch ODSP and OHIP+ me and Ford are cool.

But that is worrying.

[Atholl]

If Scheer pulls off a victory in 2019, I have a suspicion it'll be a minority government, as opposed to a majority government.

Probably.

But if we consider that Trudeau, as of March of 2018, has a 37% approval rating, and considering that it is pretty unlikely the NDP will win in Quebec since in 2017, only 36% of Quebecers were willing to vote for a party led by a man wearing a religious head-covering. And considering Quebec contributes 78 seats to the House of Commons, out of a total of 338... I would be surprised and amazed if the NDP takes most of Quebec's seats in 2019.

So realistically, I reckon that come 2019, we're probably going to see a Scheer government. Hopefully, it would be a minority government, so we may have a possibility of a Liberal-NDP coalition.

The problem here though is while Trudeau's support is pretty lukewarm, he, and the Liberals, are fairly good at campaigning. If he plays his cards right and marginalizes the NDP, I can imagine him winning again, maybe with a reduced majority or minority.

You gotta look at what he is up against. Jagmeet Singh really hasnt been a breakout leader like the NDP hoped and he basically has no chance in Quebec. Any gains Singh makes in BC and Ontario will likely be offset by the NDP's collapse in Quebec.
Scheer is basically a socially conservative version of Stephen Harper, but with a more cheerful, boyish appeal. And while Ford may have tossed out one of Trudeau's allies, he noe is a good foil for the federal Liberals to run against. Electorally, it may have been better for him to have a PC government in Queens Park than a super unpopular Liberal one.

I honestly cant imagine either the Tories or the NDP doing all that well unless Trudeau really shoots himself in the foot, such as his India debacle. It is highly rare for a majority government to be defeated after one term, the last time it happened was 1935, federally.

[NewLakotah]

If Scheer pulls off a victory in 2019, I have a suspicion it'll be a minority government, as opposed to a majority government.

Probably.

But if we consider that Trudeau, as of March of 2018, has a 37% approval rating, and considering that it is pretty unlikely the NDP will win in Quebec since in 2017, only 36% of Quebecers were willing to vote for a party led by a man wearing a religious head-covering. And considering Quebec contributes 78 seats to the House of Commons, out of a total of 338... I would be surprised and amazed if the NDP takes most of Quebec's seats in 2019.

So realistically, I reckon that come 2019, we're probably going to see a Scheer government. Hopefully, it would be a minority government, so we may have a possibility of a Liberal-NDP coalition.

I agree. The NDP has very little shot of gaining anything in Quebec, which could open the door up to the Tories to gain a few Quebec seats there. However, barring any truly catastrophic failings on the part of the Liberals, I don't know if Scheer could gain a full majority, but i find it highly unlikely that Trudeau hangs onto a majority government. I can see the Scheer potentially forming a minority government. If Ontario signals anything for Conservatives and/or Liberals in the province, then I can see the NDP and Tories cannibalizing many of the seats there. But I see no way that the NDP moves out of third position. I really can't see them obviously winning the election or really being the Opposition. If the internal drama that the BQ plays out in votes too, then they could also see a loss of votes, possibly even over to the Tories.

But for it all, I don't see an election where neither the NDP or Conservatives gain seats at the expense of the Liberals.

[Atholl]

http://theprovince.com/news/bc-politics ... uences/amp

If Krog jumps into he Nanaimo mayoral race and forces a byelection for his seat, that could spell trouble for Horgan.

I mean, Nanaimo is a fairly safe NDP riding but byelections usually punish the incumbent Government, who knows if the Liberals can really have a shot if they find a good candidate and devote resources there.

It would probably be the end of the Horgan Government if they lose that seat, however unlikely that may be.

[MERIZoC]

https://twitter.com/jessiecatherine/sta ... 1572688904

Herp will like this lol^



also, apparently Jagmeet might run in Burnaby South. I approve.

[The Krogan]

To stir the proverbial pot for this thread how are our Ontarians finding their new government so far?

[Eclius]

I don't trust Ford. His platform was nearly non-existent, and he works under the assumption that an already severely indebted Ontario can function with tax cuts and increased spending. Inane.

As long as he doesn't touch ODSP and OHIP+ me and Ford are cool.

But that is worrying.

Didn't they say that OHIP+ still exists but applies only to ppl w/o private insurance?

[Eclius]

Also, any guesses for the federal election next year? I hope the conservatives get the majority.

[Collatis]

Also, any guesses for the federal election next year? I hope the conservatives get the majority.

Canadians still prefer Trudeau to Scheer as PM by a 2-1 margin. Unless that tightens, I still expect a Liberal victory.

[Freezic Vast]

Also, any guesses for the federal election next year? I hope the conservatives get the majority.

I'd say The Liberals could maintain power with a majority, only because the decline of the Bloc and the NDP will only boost both the Liberals and the Tories.

Lib: 185
Con: 119
NDP: 31
Bloc: 0
Green: 3

[NewLakotah]

Also, any guesses for the federal election next year? I hope the conservatives get the majority.

I'd say The Liberals could maintain power with a majority, only because the decline of the Bloc and the NDP will only boost both the Liberals and the Tories.

Lib: 185
Con: 119
NDP: 31
Bloc: 0
Green: 3

No way Bloc gets 0 seats. Lose seats? maybe, but not all the way to 0.

Not to mention I don't see Liberals gaining seats atm, even if it is only a few. Either way, Tories should advance quite a bit. Liberals and Tories are practically even in most recent polls, so I can't see the Liberals hanging on to that many seats.

[Freezic Vast]

I'd say The Liberals could maintain power with a majority, only because the decline of the Bloc and the NDP will only boost both the Liberals and the Tories.

Lib: 185
Con: 119
NDP: 31
Bloc: 0
Green: 3

No way Bloc gets 0 seats. Lose seats? maybe, but not all the way to 0.

Not to mention I don't see Liberals gaining seats atm, even if it is only a few. Either way, Tories should advance quite a bit. Liberals and Tories are practically even in most recent polls, so I can't see the Liberals hanging on to that many seats.

The Bloc has been in decline for many years, and recently half of the MPs split up with the Bloc to form a new Bloc party that is trying to register for the next election. And the poll numbers have been dreadful for them, I don't see the party surviving.

Both parties could definitely make gains due to the fall from the Bloc and NDP in Quebec.

[Canadensia]

No way Bloc gets 0 seats. Lose seats? maybe, but not all the way to 0.

Not to mention I don't see Liberals gaining seats atm, even if it is only a few. Either way, Tories should advance quite a bit. Liberals and Tories are practically even in most recent polls, so I can't see the Liberals hanging on to that many seats.

The Bloc has been in decline for many years, and recently half of the MPs split up with the Bloc to form a new Bloc party that is trying to register for the next election. And the poll numbers have been dreadful for them, I don't see the party surviving.

Both parties could definitely make gains due to the fall from the Bloc and NDP in Quebec.

Potentially, but keep in mind the general trend in politics is for the ruling party to lose seats, barring exceptional circumstances. Now that the general hype surrounding Justin Trudeau as has thoroughly died and been replaced with the realization that he isn't even half the man his father was, I'm inclined to say that even with the Bloc decaying and NDP self-mutilating, the Liberals will at minimum end up with less seats than they started with.

Really, the deciding factor for the federal election will be Scheer, since the Greens are irrelevant and Jagmeet Singh is a hipster doofus who's only going to appeal to a very marginal demographic of voters. What's going to determine whether or not the Liberals are ousted from power is if Scheer can garner enough confidence from the average Canadian that he'll do a better job than Trudeau whilst simultaneously not making the same mistakes as Harper. And considering how Scheer is shaping up to be a rather uninspiring continuation of the Blue Tory nonsense that's characterized the Conservative Party since the 80's, I'd say that's far from a certainty.

As far as I'm concerned, unless Trudeau really goes overboard with the social justice nonsense, I'm inclined to say I'll be voting Liberal come 2019. And that should probably say quite a lot about the current state of the federal Conservative Party, since I'm ideologically conservative. I simply cannot stomach the separatist-appeasing, unpatriotic, privatization-obsessed Blue Tory circlejerk that's dominated federal Toryism since the Mulroney era; and Scheer has given no indication whatsoever of being a change from this. I'll take our current virtue-signalling idiot Prime Minister over whatever the Tories have to offer, since I can at least count on the former not to kowtow to separatists.

[Major-Tom]

At this point, I don't know what to think about Singh. He is on the mark about so many issues, but his image needs to be totally reformed. Being a "hip millenial who gets the kids" will only get him so far. If he and the NDP can really focus on their progressive positions on affordable housing, proportional representation, welfare and healthcare, they will win more seats, not if they alienate more Quebecers and others with their continued goal to create some sort of "identity politics image."

And I do hope they win more seats. At the moment, it seems unlikely, and them forming a government is close to impossible come 2019, but they really are the best bet in my mind. Even if Trudeau isn't horrible, he ain't too good either. Not great at all.

[Kubra]

What's interesting to me is that Mr. Ford has/had favorability ratings of consistently around 35% for much of his campaign, yet wins a big fat majority government. FPTP working great, eh, boys?

Buck a beer.
That's the most "populist" thing a person can promise. I'd vote for buck a beer, even though I don't like Ford and know that a buck a beer ain't gonna happen
but still
imagine, 1 dollar for a beer....Just think......

[Major-Tom]

What's interesting to me is that Mr. Ford has/had favorability ratings of consistently around 35% for much of his campaign, yet wins a big fat majority government. FPTP working great, eh, boys?

Buck a beer.
That's the most "populist" thing a person can promise. I'd vote for buck a beer, even though I don't like Ford and know that a buck a beer ain't gonna happen
but still
imagine, 1 dollar for a beer....Just think......

I'd probably be a lot less responsible...