UK Rape Gang scandal, up to 1000 victims.

[Petrasylvania]

Really? Then what do you think the story of Mohammed consummating his marriage to Aisha is?

Muhammad (PBUH) didn't live in 21st Century America. People often married people who would be deemed but 'children' in the modern view. That isn't a glorification of pedophilia, its a record of retrospectively archaic practice.

Human life expectancy during the Middle Ages was such that people barely into their teens or younger would marry often. Doesn't stop some people from pushing the narrative that all Muslims are inherent child rapists.

[Ostroeuropa]

Fair point, i'll clarify.
The efforts to uncover the problem are making progress in exposing the problem and dealing with it, however, the Rotherham scandal and its prevalence in the media, as well as the knowledge that there were investigations underway, did nothing to prompt Telford police to come forward of their own volition or reform in the meantime.
The police have not changed, they are simply under investigation. There has been no institutional reform, unless we are to believe that these investigations into police misconduct on this issue will exist in perpetuity as a measure to combat the problem.

How does an institution reform when it's barely making ends meet doing what it already does? Reform costs money and the police are fucking broke.

This is true.

[Albrenia]

Police need to be funded. Let's hope politicians stop slashing spending in important things so they can give themselves bonuses and hand out tax cuts for votes at election time.

[Ostroeuropa]

Police need to be funded. Let's hope politicians stop slashing spending in important things so they can give themselves bonuses and hand out tax cuts for votes at election time.

Mate they cut the police so much due process is fucked and they had soldiers teaming up with coppers to patrol because there weren't enough coppers.
They don't give a fuck. That soldiers thing should have been a wake up call, but it wasn't.

[The Parkus Empire]

Multiculturalism

[Saiwania]

The obvious solution would be to close off all immigration to the UK from the Muslim majority nations of the Middle East. Were I British and had the means, I'd run on a political platform of abolishing the UK's burdensome hate speech laws. The ideal candidate I'd get behind, is one that turns politics against ALL of my enemies, which include fundamentalist Muslims.

People like Anjem Choudary need to be made into political prisoners. We know who the people we don't need are in our societies, we just don't currently have the strong, central government to really root them out or cow them into silence. We need more order and security and less liberty which invites weakness.

[The Black Forrest]

Multiculturalism

And?

[The Parkus Empire]

Multiculturalism

And?

It enriches the economy

[Albrenia]

The obvious solution would be to close off all immigration to the UK from the Middle East. Were I British and had the means, I'd run on a political platform of abolishing the UK's burdensome hate speech laws. The ideal candidate I'd get behind, is one that turns politics against ALL of my enemies, which include fundamentalist Muslims.

People like Anjem Choudary need to be made into political prisoners. We know who the people we don't need are in our societies, we just don't currently have the strong, central government to really hunt down and root them out. We need more order and security and less liberty which invites weakness.

I don't mean to be rude, but did you intend to sound like a villain from a 90s movie?

Yeah fairness and liberty have drawbacks. The iron fist of tyranny has them too, y'know.

[Chernoslavia]

Again, because they supported bringing them here undocumented and bashed anyone who warned them of the consequences for doing so.

"Undocumented"? Who are you talking about?

If you really had to ask, I can't take you seriously.

[Vassenor]

The obvious solution would be to close off all immigration to the UK from the Muslim majority nations of the Middle East. Were I British and had the means, I'd run on a political platform of abolishing the UK's burdensome hate speech laws. The ideal candidate I'd get behind, is one that turns politics against ALL of my enemies, which include fundamentalist Muslims.

People like Anjem Choudary need to be made into political prisoners. We know who the people we don't need are in our societies, we just don't currently have the strong, central government to really root them out or cow them into silence. We need more order and security and less liberty which invites weakness.

Pakistan isn't the Middle East.

[Chernoslavia]

No it isn’t. But leftists letting undocumented refugees in and ignoring our warnings has lead to this. And then I see people like Vassenor trying to lay this shit on us when it blows up in their face as usual...

I think even most of us lefties want immigration to have proper documentation and procedure, with serious criminals and the like getting a great big DENIED stamp. At least I bloody hope so.

I want compassion, not outright stupidity, in immigration.

Good for you then, the majority of them as far as I see don't agree.

[Vassenor]

The obvious solution would be to close off all immigration to the UK from the Middle East. Were I British and had the means, I'd run on a political platform of abolishing the UK's burdensome hate speech laws. The ideal candidate I'd get behind, is one that turns politics against ALL of my enemies, which include fundamentalist Muslims.

People like Anjem Choudary need to be made into political prisoners. We know who the people we don't need are in our societies, we just don't currently have the strong, central government to really hunt down and root them out. We need more order and security and less liberty which invites weakness.

I don't mean to be rude, but did you intend to sound like a villain from a 90s movie?

Yeah fairness and liberty have drawbacks. The iron fist of tyranny has them too, y'know.

We're talking about an open whitenat here.

[Saiwania]

Pakistan isn't the Middle East.

It practically is when you think about it. They're in the same Sunni Islam camp as Saudi Arabia. In any case, there are too many people from Pakistan that have moved to the UK. This shouldn't have taken place in the first place. The UK was still truly British in 1945 but not so much today.

[Fartsniffage]

"Undocumented"? Who are you talking about?

If you really had to ask, I can't take you seriously.

There is a huge Pakistani community in the UK. Thousands of whom came to the UK with British passports and then settled and had children. You're claiming that they're undocumented when the vast majority are British citizens.

[The Lone Alliance]

Police need to be funded. Let's hope politicians stop slashing spending in important things so they can give themselves bonuses and hand out tax cuts for votes at election time.

The police also need to be made to care about poor people.

[Luminesa]

Muhammad (PBUH) didn't live in 21st Century America. People often married people who would be deemed but 'children' in the modern view. That isn't a glorification of pedophilia, its a record of retrospectively archaic practice.

Human life expectancy during the Middle Ages was such that people barely into their teens or younger would marry often. Doesn't stop some people from pushing the narrative that all Muslims are inherent child rapists.

http://www.ancient-origins.net/news-evo ... ong-077889

Marriage did used to happen at younger ages, but the "everyone dies in their teens" idea is a falsity.

"So is modern society more beneficial for health and longevity than, say, the hunter-gatherer lifestyle? To help gain an answer to this question, scientists have compared the life span of adults in contemporary hunter-gatherer tribes (excluding the infant mortality rate). It was found that once infant mortality rates were removed, life span was calculated to between 70 and 80 years, the same rate as that found in contemporary industrialised societies. The difference is that, in the latter, most individuals survive childhood (Kanazawa, 2008)."

So...we have modern examples of civilizations which still live by hunting and gathering. They live for about as long as people in industrialized settings. Boom.

https://www.livescience.com/10569-human ... years.html

The same sort of data, but better-explained:

"Again, the high infant mortality rate skews the "life expectancy" dramatically downward. If a couple has two children and one of them dies in childbirth while the other lives to be 90, stating that on average the couple's children lived to be 45 is statistically accurate but meaningless. Claiming a low average age of death due to high infant mortality is not the same as claiming that the average person in that population will die at that age."

Infant mortality rate is to blame for many of the discrepancies in our modern data. Data all of us have probably used one way or another.

[Chernoslavia]

"Undocumented"? Who are you talking about?

Isn't it amazing when someone is so consumed by ideology that they just reflexively lump everyone they disagree with into one amorphous blob, and start incoherently mixing up places and groups?

I see you're still butt hurt over me being blunt about these things.

[Chernoslavia]

If you really had to ask, I can't take you seriously.

There is a huge Pakistani community in the UK. Thousands of whom came to the UK with British passports and then settled and had children. You're claiming that they're undocumented when the vast majority are British citizens.

I strongly doubt all these perps were legal British citizens.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Pakistan isn't the Middle East.

It practically is when you think about it. They're in the same Sunni Islam camp as Saudi Arabia.

Pakistan is nowhere as crazy as S.A.

In any case, there are too many people from Pakistan that have moved to the UK.

As long as the UK can financially provide for immigrants and natural-born citizens without being overburdened, then there aren't too many.

This shouldn't have taken place in the first place.

Why not? Most immigrants in the UK lawfully immigrated.

The UK was still truly British in 1945 but not so much today.

British citizens are British.

The obvious solution would be to close off all immigration to the UK from the Muslim majority nations of the Middle East. Were I British and had the means, I'd run on a political platform of abolishing the UK's burdensome hate speech laws. The ideal candidate I'd get behind, is one that turns politics against ALL of my enemies, which include fundamentalist Muslims.

People like Anjem Choudary need to be made into political prisoners. We know who the people we don't need are in our societies, we just don't currently have the strong, central government to really root them out or cow them into silence. We need more order and security and less liberty which invites weakness.

So who are you against, extreme Muslims or Muslims? Because that seems like something right-wingers often get confused over.

[Petrasylvania]

This shouldn't have taken place in the first place.

Why not? Most immigrants in the UK lawfully immigrated.

The UK was still truly British in 1945 but not so much today.

British citizens are British.

The obvious solution would be to close off all immigration to the UK from the Muslim majority nations of the Middle East. Were I British and had the means, I'd run on a political platform of abolishing the UK's burdensome hate speech laws. The ideal candidate I'd get behind, is one that turns politics against ALL of my enemies, which include fundamentalist Muslims.

People like Anjem Choudary need to be made into political prisoners. We know who the people we don't need are in our societies, we just don't currently have the strong, central government to really root them out or cow them into silence. We need more order and security and less liberty which invites weakness.

So who are you against, extreme Muslims or Muslims? Because that seems like something right-wingers often get confused over.

TheyAllLookAlike is a common affliction.

[Luminesa]

The obvious solution would be to close off all immigration to the UK from the Muslim majority nations of the Middle East. Were I British and had the means, I'd run on a political platform of abolishing the UK's burdensome hate speech laws. The ideal candidate I'd get behind, is one that turns politics against ALL of my enemies, which include fundamentalist Muslims.

People like Anjem Choudary need to be made into political prisoners. We know who the people we don't need are in our societies, we just don't currently have the strong, central government to really root them out or cow them into silence. We need more order and security and less liberty which invites weakness.

Pakistan isn't the Middle East.

"Pakistan, officially the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, is a country in South Asia and crossroads of Middle East and Central Asia."

From Wikipedia. Yes, it is in the Middle East. Or at least partially so.

[Ostroeuropa]

Pakistan isn't the Middle East.

It practically is when you think about it. They're in the same Sunni Islam camp as Saudi Arabia. In any case, there are too many people from Pakistan that have moved to the UK. This shouldn't have taken place in the first place. The UK was still truly British in 1945 but not so much today.

1945?
You're joking.
The Saxon invader is where the Britons lost their land.

[Fartsniffage]

There is a huge Pakistani community in the UK. Thousands of whom came to the UK with British passports and then settled and had children. You're claiming that they're undocumented when the vast majority are British citizens.

I strongly doubt all these perps were legal British citizens.

Why? They tended to be in the last cases. I even knew one of them. Rochdale ring. I worked with him for years sat 6 feet away. We'd been out for meals and drinks on many occasions. Considered him a friend.

One day he just disappeared from work and the managers wouldn't say why. A colleague and I found his court records online about 6 months later. He plead out early as he was just a driver and probably hadn't actually raped anyone and avoided all the media around the trial but still served a couple of years.

So maybe you don't know what you think you know.

[Vassenor]

I strongly doubt all these perps were legal British citizens.

Why? They tended to be in the last cases. I even knew one of them. Rochdale ring. I worked with him for years sat 6 feet away. We'd been out for meals and drinks on many occasions. Considered him a friend.

One day he just disappeared from work and the managers wouldn't say why. A colleague and I found his court records online about 6 months later. He plead out early as he was just a driver and probably hadn't actually raped anyone and avoided all the media around the trial but still served a couple of years.

So maybe you don't know what you think you know.

But then how will they blame the Syrian refugees and stuff for this?