UK Rape Gang scandal, up to 1000 victims.

[Liriena]

Isn't it amazing when someone is so consumed by ideology that they just reflexively lump everyone they disagree with into one amorphous blob, and start incoherently mixing up places and groups?

You mean like you do with right-wingers?

Wrong. Despite my obvious biases I can still tell the difference between, say, a Tory and a member of the BNP. I know that Gary Johnson is not even close to the same as Richard Spencer, and that Ron Paul ain't Marine Le Pen's brother from another mother.

[Kramanica]

You mean like you do with right-wingers?

Wrong. Despite my obvious biases I can still tell the difference between, say, a Tory and a member of the BNP. I know that Gary Johnson is not even close to the same as Richard Spencer, and that Ron Paul ain't Marine Le Pen's brother from another mother.

Uh-huh. So all the shrieking you do about "right wing" this and "right wingers" that is what?

Just typing in "right wing" in your post history turns up... a lot.

[Albrenia]

Wrong. Despite my obvious biases I can still tell the difference between, say, a Tory and a member of the BNP. I know that Gary Johnson is not even close to the same as Richard Spencer, and that Ron Paul ain't Marine Le Pen's brother from another mother.

Uh-huh. So all the shrieking you do about "right wing" this and "right wingers" that is what?

Just typing in "right wing" in your post history turns up... a lot.

Funny that, on a political forum. I'm sure 'leftist' and the like would be similar for other posters.

[Hirota]

It did. The Rotherham scandal. This is showing that nothing has changed.

Don't know if it's general incompetent or political pressure.

Whatever it is it needs to end.

That's probably going to come out in the inquiry. But they were working on more recent foul play in operation chalice, although it looks like they was dealing with offences round 2007. I would imagine an inquiry will pour over the evidence to see if any evidence of foul play as far back as the 80s was ignored back then during operation chalice to see if there is evidence of failings in the police or social services.
As for who carried out these particular offences, assuming it's probably a similar demographic to Rotherham, sons of migrants, then there needs to be a serious look taken at if anything can be done. But honestly, I'm struggling to see what we can learn from historical offences that we hadn't already learnt from Rotherham.

[Otira]

Another one? Seriously? What's going on in Britain?

[Liriena]

Wrong. Despite my obvious biases I can still tell the difference between, say, a Tory and a member of the BNP. I know that Gary Johnson is not even close to the same as Richard Spencer, and that Ron Paul ain't Marine Le Pen's brother from another mother.

Uh-huh. So all the shrieking you do about "right wing" this and "right wingers" that is what?

Just typing in "right wing" in your post history turns up... a lot.

Context and form matter, m'dude. When I speak with Ostro about immigration laws and Islam in the United Kingdom, I don't pontificate about how "we told you people that border walls are stupid because of visa ovestays". If I did that, I would be doing what Chernoslavia is doing: unfairly, maliciously pluralizing Ostro and his ideas for ideological self-indulgence.

Also, describing it as "shrieking" is some lazy bait, specially coming from someone whose response to me critiquing another poster's rhetoric is delving into my posting history and whining about how mean I am to "right wingers".

Anything else you want to whine about?

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

She was, at most, 13 when Mohammed had sex with her.

That's not marriage, that's pedophilia.

José de San Martín married a fourteen-year-old, but we don't blame him or our idolization of him as a national hero for our child molestation problems today.

Maybe you should.

[Hirota]

Uh-huh. So all the shrieking you do about "right wing" this and "right wingers" that is what?

Just typing in "right wing" in your post history turns up... a lot.

Funny that, on a political forum. I'm sure 'leftist' and the like would be similar for other posters.

It's almost as if ideological point scoring isn't limited to a single demographic... So why are people so keen to throw stones when they insist on living in greenhouses?

It's cognitive biases mainly. We are all hypocrites when it comes to judging others more harshly than we judge ourselves.

[Liriena]

Wrong. Despite my obvious biases I can still tell the difference between, say, a Tory and a member of the BNP. I know that Gary Johnson is not even close to the same as Richard Spencer, and that Ron Paul ain't Marine Le Pen's brother from another mother.

Uh-huh. So all the shrieking you do about "right wing" this and "right wingers" that is what?

Just typing in "right wing" in your post history turns up... a lot.

Also... don't forget the saying about glass houses, bucko.

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[The Lone Alliance]

Another one? Seriously? What's going on in Britain?

Cultural issues, Islam, and the police not giving a damn about poor "White trash", really I think that's something everyone' missing in this conversation, the police don't care about these people cause most of these girls are from poor families, basically it's the same as how police in the US really doesn't care about similar cases with poor people in the US.

We have 13 year olds coming to school pregnant but the police do nothing.

[Liriena]

José de San Martín married a fourteen-year-old, but we don't blame him or our idolization of him as a national hero for our child molestation problems today.

Maybe you should.

Why?

Come on. I want you to expand on this steaming hot take.

[Albrenia]

Maybe you should.

Why?

Come on. I want you to expand on this steaming hot take.

Well... marrying a minor seems like something which shouldn't be championed as heroic.

I understand the whole 'it was a less civilised time, so let's just gloss over that' stance, but it shouldn't be held up as appropriate.

[Kramanica]

Uh-huh. So all the shrieking you do about "right wing" this and "right wingers" that is what?

Just typing in "right wing" in your post history turns up... a lot.

Context and form matter, m'dude. When I speak with Ostro about immigration laws and Islam in the United Kingdom, I don't pontificate about how "we told you people that border walls are stupid because of visa ovestays". If I did that, I would be doing what Chernoslavia is doing: unfairly, maliciously pluralizing Ostro and his ideas for ideological self-indulgence.

Also, describing it as "shrieking" is some lazy bait, specially coming from someone whose response to me critiquing another poster's rhetoric is delving into my posting history and whining about how mean I am to "right wingers".

Anything else you want to whine about?

I'm not whining about anything. I'm just pointing out that you're a hypocrite.

[Kramanica]

Uh-huh. So all the shrieking you do about "right wing" this and "right wingers" that is what?

Just typing in "right wing" in your post history turns up... a lot.

Also... don't forget the saying about glass houses, bucko.

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Problem is I'm not criticizing others for doing so. Except you. Because you're a hypocrite.

[Liriena]

Context and form matter, m'dude. When I speak with Ostro about immigration laws and Islam in the United Kingdom, I don't pontificate about how "we told you people that border walls are stupid because of visa ovestays". If I did that, I would be doing what Chernoslavia is doing: unfairly, maliciously pluralizing Ostro and his ideas for ideological self-indulgence.

Also, describing it as "shrieking" is some lazy bait, specially coming from someone whose response to me critiquing another poster's rhetoric is delving into my posting history and whining about how mean I am to "right wingers".

Anything else you want to whine about?

I'm not whining about anything. I'm just pointing out that you're a hypocrite.

Except you didn't prove me a hypocrite, hon, and in the off chance that you did (pffffffff), that wouldn't in any way diminish the legitimacy of my argument. Mumbling "you're a hypocrite" at someone you disagree with is not an argument. ;3

[Hirota]

Uh-huh. So all the shrieking you do about "right wing" this and "right wingers" that is what?

Just typing in "right wing" in your post history turns up... a lot.

Also... don't forget the saying about glass houses, bucko.

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Oi, 'member when you got pissy at me for linking your own moments of douchebaggery in an attempt to derail?

This is an example of that whole cognitive biases hypocrisy spiel I just posted. I'm not judging, after all I'm citing my own pretty shitty attempt to derail. Seeing it from the outside, i realise it just seems rather pretty and cheap now for me to try and pull that stunt, seeing how petty it makes you and Kram look from the outside.

Too err is human, I suppose.

[Liriena]

Also... don't forget the saying about glass houses, bucko.

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Problem is I'm not criticizing others for doing so. Except you. Because you're a hypocrite.

So your commentary is nothing but self-indulgent character assassination just for me?

Woof. Roast me harder, daddy. ;3

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

Why?

Come on. I want you to expand on this steaming hot take.

Well... marrying a minor seems like something which shouldn't be championed as heroic.

I understand the whole 'it was a less civilised time, so let's just gloss over that' stance, but it shouldn't be held up as appropriate.

Or we could dispense with this culturally-relativist garbage and admit that the past was wrong.

[Liriena]

Also... don't forget the saying about glass houses, bucko.

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Oi, 'member when you got pissy at me for linking your own moments of douchebaggery in an attempt to derail?

This is an example of that whole cognitive biases hypocrisy spiel I just posted. I'm not judging, after all I'm citing my own pretty shitty attempt to derail. Seeing it from the outside, i realise it just seems rather pretty and cheap now to try and pull that stunt.

Glad to be of help, Hirota.

Also, I'm still pissy at you (not Kramanica, because he's very cute about it), and I'm not at all pleased with myself for fighting fire with fire... but if it serves to teach all of us how shitty a tactic Kramanica's and yours were, it's worth it.

[Albrenia]

Well... marrying a minor seems like something which shouldn't be championed as heroic.

I understand the whole 'it was a less civilised time, so let's just gloss over that' stance, but it shouldn't be held up as appropriate.

Or we could dispense with this culturally-relativist garbage and admit that the past was wrong.

Or that, yeah.

[Liriena]

Well... marrying a minor seems like something which shouldn't be championed as heroic.

I understand the whole 'it was a less civilised time, so let's just gloss over that' stance, but it shouldn't be held up as appropriate.

Or we could dispense with this culturally-relativist garbage and admit that the past was wrong.

Damn, yo. So whose statues are we tearing down? I'm all in!

[Kramanica]

I'm not whining about anything. I'm just pointing out that you're a hypocrite.

Except you didn't prove me a hypocrite, hon, and in the off chance that you did (pffffffff), that wouldn't in any way diminish the legitimacy of my argument. Mumbling "you're a hypocrite" at someone you disagree with is not an argument. ;3

Oh but I did. You whined at Ostro for generalizing, yet you routinely do the same yourself.

And this whole sassy persona of yours is tiresome and boring. Find something else. You could do what RIG did and LARP as Harley Quinn, or be like Monitor and pretend to be a boat.

[Liriena]

Except you didn't prove me a hypocrite, hon, and in the off chance that you did (pffffffff), that wouldn't in any way diminish the legitimacy of my argument. Mumbling "you're a hypocrite" at someone you disagree with is not an argument. ;3

Oh but I did. You whined at Ostro for generalizing, yet you routinely do the same yourself.

It wasn't Ostro. I was criticizing Chernoslavia.



Oh, gawd, thanks for that. It's kind of awesome to see so much accidental transparency from someone.

And this whole sassy persona of yours is tiresome and boring. Find something else. You could do what RIG did and LARP as Harley Quinn, or be like Monitor and pretend to be a boat.

If it bores you, then I'm doing it right. I'm not trying to entertain you. ;3

[Hirota]

Oi, 'member when you got pissy at me for linking your own moments of douchebaggery in an attempt to derail?

This is an example of that whole cognitive biases hypocrisy spiel I just posted. I'm not judging, after all I'm citing my own pretty shitty attempt to derail. Seeing it from the outside, i realise it just seems rather pretty and cheap now to try and pull that stunt.

Glad to be of help, Hirota.

Also, I'm still pissy at you (not Kramanica, because he's very cute about it), and I'm not at all pleased with myself for fighting fire with fire... but if it serves to teach all of us how shitty a tactic Kramanica's and yours were, it's worth it.

Sounds awfully like the cognitive biases is well and truly in effect. You appear to be downplaying the exact same tactic you are carrying out, the same one you find so infuriating when applied against you.

And no, it's not just you.

I'll take my tangent elsewhere now, just commenting on the futility of this whole double standards thing we all seem to have that makes us incapable of having a sensible discussion with someone with a different view.

[Liriena]

Glad to be of help, Hirota.

Also, I'm still pissy at you (not Kramanica, because he's very cute about it), and I'm not at all pleased with myself for fighting fire with fire... but if it serves to teach all of us how shitty a tactic Kramanica's and yours were, it's worth it.

Sounds awfully like the cognitive biases is well and truly in effect. You appear to be downplaying the exact same tactic you are carrying out, the same one you find so infuriating when applied against you.

And no, it's not just you.

Well, at least I'm not alone.