Nerve Agent Used in Attempted Murder of Russian Spy

[Senkaku]

If the CIA were really petty, they'd car bomb Snowden or something to get back at them

MI6 used to do something much worse to British defectors during the cold war. They'd let them live out the remains of their life in Russia.

RIP Kim Philby, death by Moscow is a terrible way to go

[The East Marches II]

If the CIA were really petty, they'd car bomb Snowden or something to get back at them

MI6 used to do something much worse to British defectors during the cold war. They'd let them live out the remains of their life in Russia.

I really can't think of a worse fate tbh

[Ethel mermania]

He was traded for Anna chapman one of the hottest spys ever

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_ ... -3-web.jpg

We demand her back.

- Russia exchanges 5 Western spies for 10 Russian spies
- Russia then goes on and tries to kill one of the Western spies years after handing him over

Man, talking about unsporting business practices.

Heh,

The end result should be no more spy exchanges. Either that or reach out and touch ms chapman. All kidding aside This bullshit has got to stop.

[Fartsniffage]

- Russia exchanges 5 Western spies for 10 Russian spies
- Russia then goes on and tries to kill one of the Western spies years after handing him over

Man, talking about unsporting business practices.

Heh,

The end result should be no more spy exchanges. Either that or reach out and touch ms chapman. All kidding aside This bullshit has got to stop.

I feeling like people aren't getting how serious this is. Someone just used a chemical weapon in a British city. If it was a state actor then it's an act of war.

[Annihitor the Incred]

Heh,

The end result should be no more spy exchanges. Either that or reach out and touch ms chapman. All kidding aside This bullshit has got to stop.

I feeling like people aren't getting how serious this is. Someone just used a chemical weapon in a British city. If it was a state actor then it's an act of war.

More proof that a dedicated hostile state could smuggle bio-WMDs or nuclear weapons into every major city and we would know nothing.

[Ethel mermania]

Heh,

The end result should be no more spy exchanges. Either that or reach out and touch ms chapman. All kidding aside This bullshit has got to stop.

I feeling like people aren't getting how serious this is. Someone just used a chemical weapon in a British city. If it was a state actor then it's an act of war.

We dont. And it is a horrible disincentive for an Russian to spy for the west when the western governments let this stuff slide.

[Genivaria]

Heard this on my car radio on the way home, this is some Jason Bourne shit.

[Risottia]

What say you, NationStates? Were the Russians involved?

Most likely not the FSB directly. Looks like the latest trend is employing private contractors for wet jobs.

Why has assassination by nerve agent become the latest fashion trend among assassins?

It can be concealed more easily than a firearm or a knife, and it is easier to deploy than a bomb. That's why I'd say "contractor" more than "FSB agent". Just guessing, tho.

What will be the consequences for UK-Russian relations?

Mostly nothing. No one weeps for double agents.

[Risottia]

More proof that a dedicated hostile state could smuggle bio-WMDs or nuclear weapons into every major city and we would know nothing.

Did you need this as proof that security is just an illusion?

Nukes can be transported quite easily by ship. Just hide a nuke in a container ship, and you can hit basically every major seaside city.

[Shofercia]

Litvinenko was a former spy.

He was in the KGB and FSB but that doesn't make him a spy. Think more FBI than CIA.

A former KGB spy is talking to a current FSB spy. What can they be talking about?

Fartniffage's Reaction: "clearly they're talking about a journalistic inquiry into the Premier League!"

Are you serious? Litvinenko was a spy. Not a journalist. What's next?

"Name's Bond. James Bond. Investigative Journalist!"

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I was suspecting Russia all along, given they murdered Litvinenko. Also, nerve agents have been used for assassinations before (VX was used to kill Kim Jong-nam)

For some reason, I always thought Litvinenko died of either ricin poisoning or radioactive poisoning.

[The New California Republic]

I feeling like people aren't getting how serious this is. Someone just used a chemical weapon in a British city. If it was a state actor then it's an act of war.

It is very serious, I agree. It will get even more serious if any of the victims of this attack eventually die, not least the police officer that is still in serious condition in hospital.

[Fartsniffage]

He was in the KGB and FSB but that doesn't make him a spy. Think more FBI than CIA.

A former KGB spy is talking to a current FSB spy. What can they be talking about?

Fartniffage's Reaction: "clearly they're talking about a journalistic inquiry into the Premier League!"

Are you serious? Litvinenko was a spy. Not a journalist. What's next?

"Name's Bond. James Bond. Investigative Journalist!"

I'm not sure where you're getting that. Litvinenko was internal security, then counter-espionage and then essentially a police man tasked with dealing with the Russian mafia. Like I said, more FBI than CIA. Or MI5 instead of MI6 to put a British twist on it.

[Fartsniffage]

I was suspecting Russia all along, given they murdered Litvinenko. Also, nerve agents have been used for assassinations before (VX was used to kill Kim Jong-nam)

For some reason, I always thought Litvinenko died of either ricin poisoning or radioactive poisoning.

He died of Polonium poisoning. So you were correct.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

For some reason, I always thought Litvinenko died of either ricin poisoning or radioactive poisoning.

He died of Polonium poisoning. So you were correct.

Yeah, I always get confused but yes, Polonium-210 was it?

I think I remember why I confuse this. I mix Litvinenko with Markov. Markov was the one killed with ricin poisoning. Sorry.

[Fartsniffage]

He died of Polonium poisoning. So you were correct.

Yeah, I always get confused but yes, Polonium-210 was it?

I think I remember why I confuse this. I mix Litvinenko with Markov. Markov was the one killed with ricin poisoning. Sorry.

Yep and yep. Those sneaky Bulgarians and their magic umbrellas.

[The New California Republic]

He died of Polonium poisoning. So you were correct.

Yeah, I always get confused but yes, Polonium-210 was it?

I think I remember why I confuse this. I mix Litvinenko with Markov. Markov was the one killed with ricin poisoning. Sorry.

Markov, Litvinenko, and now the attempted murder of Skripal. All on British soil. Seriously, MI5/MI6 needs to do a better job of protecting dissidents/people who have worked for them, they are going to get a reputation for being completely inept as far as protecting their informants is concerned.

[Fartsniffage]

Yeah, I always get confused but yes, Polonium-210 was it?

I think I remember why I confuse this. I mix Litvinenko with Markov. Markov was the one killed with ricin poisoning. Sorry.

Markov, Litvinenko, and now the attempted murder of Skripal. All on British soil. Seriously, MI5/MI6 needs to do a better job of protecting dissidents/people who have worked for them, they are going to get a reputation for being completely inept as far as protecting their informants is concerned.

It's more than just them 3. I linked this earlier.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-43299598

[Canstan II]

If only the West had made friends with the Chechens before they became too radical.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Yeah, I always get confused but yes, Polonium-210 was it?

I think I remember why I confuse this. I mix Litvinenko with Markov. Markov was the one killed with ricin poisoning. Sorry.

Markov, Litvinenko, and now the attempted murder of Skripal. All on British soil. Seriously, MI5/MI6 needs to do a better job of protecting dissidents/people who have worked for them, they are going to get a reputation for being completely inept as far as protecting their informants is concerned.

Well, to be fair, the manner in which Markov was killed was rather exotic. A gas powered umbrella with a ricin poisoned pellet that was shot in his leg. I don't think they could've foresee that one.

With Litvinenko, however, they could have been more careful because he had been threatened, and 2 weeks before, Anna Politkovskaya was assassinated in Moscow, and he had been in contact with her. That being said, IIRC, Polonium-210 was, at the time, also rather exotic to use in poisoning people. So, I don't know. Perhaps we should cut the Brits some slack here.

[Annihitor the Incred]

Yeah, I always get confused but yes, Polonium-210 was it?

I think I remember why I confuse this. I mix Litvinenko with Markov. Markov was the one killed with ricin poisoning. Sorry.

Markov, Litvinenko, and now the attempted murder of Skripal. All on British soil. Seriously, MI5/MI6 needs to do a better job of protecting dissidents/people who have worked for them, they are going to get a reputation for being completely inept as far as protecting their informants is concerned.

The attacker always have advantage in choosing the time, and no one can constantly watch every possible angle of attack.

[The New California Republic]

Markov, Litvinenko, and now the attempted murder of Skripal. All on British soil. Seriously, MI5/MI6 needs to do a better job of protecting dissidents/people who have worked for them, they are going to get a reputation for being completely inept as far as protecting their informants is concerned.

It's more than just them 3. I linked this earlier.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-43299598

Oh yes, I remember the spy that was found dead in a bag in his apartment, Gareth Williams. A forensic scientist said it was his opinion that an expert in the "dark side of forensics" cleaned his apartment, because the crime scene was so forensically clean. The bag was also sealed from the outside, I don't buy the opinion that he accidentally sealed himself inside it, which was a theory that was thrown around for a while...

[Washington Resistance Army]

The west needs to stop dealing with Ivan with the kid gloves on

Saddam gets it^

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

The west needs to stop dealing with Ivan with the kid gloves on

Saddam gets it^

As much of a pacifist as I am, I think you and the Turk are right.

[Fartsniffage]

The west needs to stop dealing with Ivan with the kid gloves on

Saddam gets it^

And do what?