Nerve Agent Used in Attempted Murder of Russian Spy

[New Luckyland]

It's more than just them 3. I linked this earlier.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-43299598

Oh yes, I remember the spy that was found dead in a bag in his apartment, Gareth Williams. A forensic scientist said it was his opinion that an expert in the "dark side of forensics" cleaned his apartment, because the crime scene was so forensically clean. The bag was also sealed from the outside, I don't buy the opinion that he accidentally sealed himself inside it, which was a theory that was thrown around for a while...

Gareth Williams was an analyst working for GCHQ. The story put out to the media at the time was that he died in some bizarre self sex accident. This did not ring true to me at the time. The coroners report rejected this explanation, and said that Gareth Williams was most likely unlawfully killed.

He was on temporary secondment to the Secret Intelligence Service. He requested a transfer out because he felt unconfortable in that environment. This lead was not pursued. The botched nature of the investigation, and the leap to a storyline which put all the shame on the victim are criminal acts in their own right.

It would not surprise me if his death had a significant impact on GCHQ recruitment at the time. It made a huge impact on me.

[Trumptonium]

He chose to be a spy I don't see the issue.

I mean yeah the government has the duty to protect its own intelligence however at this point he was no longer an asset of any sort to the UK, hence the total lack of protection he was given, instead being handed a one-time gift of gratitude in the form of a house and pension.

But he chose that life and that life ended him.

Governments do this all the time and it is silly to think the UK doesn't do the same in Russia. He also wasn't innocent in any way. His crimes would also result in a lifetime imprisonment in the UK if he wasn't on this side of the river.

The big deal is that using chemical weapons in the city of a foreign nation is an act of war.

While I don't think it is in any way likely, the UK is now justified under our own rules around special weapons to nuke a city in Russia.

He chose to be a spy I don't see the issue.

I mean yeah the government has the duty to protect its own intelligence however at this point he was no longer an asset of any sort to the UK, hence the total lack of protection he was given, instead being handed a one-time gift of gratitude in the form of a house and pension.

But he chose that life and that life ended him.

Governments do this all the time and it is silly to think the UK doesn't do the same in Russia. He also wasn't innocent in any way. His crimes would also result in a lifetime imprisonment in the UK if he wasn't on this side of the river.

My biggest issue with it is that it harmed other people. If it was just the spy, that'd be one thing. But the guy's daughter and some police officer were also affected. Whoever it was and whatever the reason, it was sloppy and frankly unnecessary.

Well yeah, it was unusually sloppy (when compared to other cases, like Litvinienko) but hardly warranting cobra meetings and all the other funny stuff as if there was a major national crisis on our hands.

It's not like Britain can exert any pressure anyway. The last time Britain and Russia traded spies in 2013, it was 8 Russians for 3 Brits. Speaks for itself.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Saw this on the news, fucking dodgy stuff.

Forget Anna, we need Vicky Pelaez over here.

oh jeezus no. this is anna i would tell her my sekrets anyday

10/10 would divulge military secrets for again

[Annihitor the Incred]

Saw this on the news, fucking dodgy stuff.

oh jeezus no. this is anna i would tell her my sekrets anyday

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10/10 would divulge military secrets for again

She needs to be returned and become a trophy on White House upholstery.

[Ethel mermania]

Saw this on the news, fucking dodgy stuff.


10/10 would divulge military secrets for again

She needs to be returned and become a trophy on White House upholstery.

Trump doesnt deserve her. I do.

[Sovaal]

She needs to be returned and become a trophy on White House upholstery.

Trump doesnt deserve her. I do.

But do you have Trump levels of money and access to the government?

[Minoa]

He chose to be a spy I don't see the issue.

I mean yeah the government has the duty to protect its own intelligence however at this point he was no longer an asset of any sort to the UK, hence the total lack of protection he was given, instead being handed a one-time gift of gratitude in the form of a house and pension.

But he chose that life and that life ended him.

Governments do this all the time and it is silly to think the UK doesn't do the same in Russia. He also wasn't innocent in any way. His crimes would also result in a lifetime imprisonment in the UK if he wasn't on this side of the river.

The big deal is that using chemical weapons in the city of a foreign nation is an act of war.

While I don't think it is in any way likely, the UK is now justified under our own rules around special weapons to nuke a city in Russia.

I think that is so disproportionate, let alone the domino effect due to MAD.

[Mujahidah]

If only the West had made friends with the Chechens before they became too radical.

RIP Dzokhar Dudayev

inb4 "he was a terrorist you Neocon Russophobe!"

http://www.nytimes.com/1997/01/26/weekinreview/islam-gets-the-law-and-order-vote.html

When the late Dzhokhar Dudayev first seized power in Chechnya and declared independence in 1991, he shrewdly used Islam to bolster national pride. When asked whether he was a practicing Muslim, Mr. Dudayev is said to have replied, ''Of course, I pray three times a day.'' (The Koran calls for believers to pray five times daily.)

"Yeah bro I'm a muslim. I don't eat beef."

-Dudayev, probably.

[Eastfield Lodge]

Talking about brazen...

You know shit's serious when Russian state TV pretty much threatens more of the same.

[The New California Republic]

Talking about brazen...

You know shit's serious when Russian state TV pretty much threatens more of the same.

Russia are trying to turn it around by playing the victim. Seriously, Russia, seriously?

[Dooom35796821595]

Talking about brazen...

You know shit's serious when Russian state TV pretty much threatens more of the same.

Russia are trying to turn it around by playing the victim. Seriously, Russia, seriously?

I'm sure they'd be thrilled if a Russian officer "accidentally" dropped a vial of nerve gas in the middle of Moscow.

[Kramanica]

21 people are now being treated according to UK officials.

[Hayo]

I like Russia's defense here.

"Russophobia!!!!1 You're just trying to whip up an anti-Russia hysteria!"

Seems like their go-to excuse whenever they're caught with their hand in the cookie jar.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-brit ... SKCN1GJ0SX

Russia denied any involvement, scolded Johnson for “wild” comments and said anti-Russian hysteria was being whipped up intentionally to damage relations with London.

“It’s very hard not to assess this (speculation) as provocative black PR designed to complicate relations between our two countries,” Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova told reporters in Moscow on Wednesday.

[Fartsniffage]

These hivis types all look the same.

You can tell by the hats.

What a waste of council tax...

[Petrasylvania]

21 people are now being treated according to UK officials.

Someone is being laughed at for fucking up a nerve agent assassination compared to North Korea.

[The New California Republic]

21 people are now being treated according to UK officials.

Someone is being laughed at for fucking up a nerve agent assassination compared to North Korea.

I'd love to be a fly on the wall at their debriefing session, I bet their case officer is giving them such a chewing out right now, as HQ will be hopping mad. Words like "inept", "incompetent", and "moron" will be getting thrown around with reckless abandon.

[Senkaku]

Someone is being laughed at for fucking up a nerve agent assassination compared to North Korea.

I'd love to be a fly on the wall at their debriefing session, I bet their case officer is giving them such a chewing out right now, as HQ will be hopping mad. Words like "inept", "incompetent", and "moron" will be getting thrown around with reckless abandon.

Maybe so, but in the grand scheme of things it doesn't really matter- no one in the West seems willing or able to respond, and our own fifth columnists who've fallen for their propaganda will try and convince people that there's nothing wrong with Moscow assassinating people with weapons of mass destruction on our own soil.

[Eastfield Lodge]

I'd love to be a fly on the wall at their debriefing session, I bet their case officer is giving them such a chewing out right now, as HQ will be hopping mad. Words like "inept", "incompetent", and "moron" will be getting thrown around with reckless abandon.

Maybe so, but in the grand scheme of things it doesn't really matter- no one in the West seems willing or able to respond, and our own fifth columnists who've fallen for their propaganda will try and convince people that there's nothing wrong with Moscow assassinating people with weapons of mass destruction on our own soil.

Way ahead of you.

[Petrasylvania]

A nerve agent attack with double digit casualties that was so bungled not even ISIS wants to claim responsibility for it. That says something.

[Shofercia]

Just like that failed attack was clearly due to a traitor on the inside. The Russians can never fail on their own merits :^]

The Russians failed on their own merits, or rather the Government did, when they trusted Bill Clinton.

oh jeezus no. this is anna i would tell her my sekrets anyday

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Her figure is shit though.

According to a single poster's opinion, which, IMHO, is very ignorant.

[Mujahidah]

Just like that failed attack was clearly due to a traitor on the inside. The Russians can never fail on their own merits :^]

The Russians failed on their own merits, or rather the Government did, when they trusted Bill Clinton.

Russia would have been far better off if it properly liberalized instead of backsliding into a pseudodictatorship.

[Shofercia]

The Russians failed on their own merits, or rather the Government did, when they trusted Bill Clinton.

Russia would have been far better off if it properly liberalized instead of backsliding into a pseudodictatorship.

I'd take Putin's Populism over 1990s Liberalism any day of the week.

[Senkaku]

Russia would have been far better off if it properly liberalized instead of backsliding into a pseudodictatorship.

I'd take Putin's Populism over 1990s Liberalism any day of the week.

You'd take Putin's anything over anything remotely Western, though.

[Shofercia]

I'd take Putin's Populism over 1990s Liberalism any day of the week.

You'd take Putin's anything over anything remotely Western, though.

Nope. I'd much rather have FDR than Putin. Then again, perhaps FDR isn't Western enough for you...

(FDR=Franklin Delano Roosevelt)

[Zanera]

I'd love to be a fly on the wall at their debriefing session, I bet their case officer is giving them such a chewing out right now, as HQ will be hopping mad. Words like "inept", "incompetent", and "moron" will be getting thrown around with reckless abandon.

Maybe so, but in the grand scheme of things it doesn't really matter- no one in the West seems willing or able to respond, and our own fifth columnists who've fallen for their propaganda will try and convince people that there's nothing wrong with Moscow assassinating people with weapons of mass destruction on our own soil.

Laziness or silken words from the fifth columnists.