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What stance do you take on immigration?

1 - Full open borders. Sweden's Feminist Initiative model. Which involves doing all one can to prevent deportation of even alien criminal elements as they remain the responsibility of the country they find themselves in.
52
6%
2 - Full open borders with border security, checks and potential for deportation of harsher criminal immigrant elements. Multicultural model.
126
15%
3 - Full open borders with border security, checks and potential for deportation of harsher criminal immigrant elements. Melting-pot model.
176
22%
4 - Limited open borders that sets priories solely on the nations labour requirements.
72
9%
5 - Limited open borders that prioritises only high skilled labour. Multicultural model.
35
4%
6 - Limited open borders that prioritises only high skilled labour. Melting-pot model.
204
25%
7 - Closed borders. Only temporary green-cards, tourism and visas. No other forms of citizenship.
76
9%
8 - Fully closed borders.
36
4%
9 - Fully closed borders. No legal emigration.
39
5%
 
Total votes : 816

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Postby Northern Davincia » Fri Mar 09, 2018 8:55 pm

Republic of the Cristo wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Ryan did imprison Sofia Lamb.

God, creating us as rational beings, is probably keen on us employing said rationality to impose justice.


Breaks his own moral code when he deems it necessary? Sounds pretty morally subjective to me.

When you own an entire city, odds are you get to arrange the rules however you see fit, especially against those who break the rules.
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Postby Heimatia » Fri Mar 09, 2018 8:56 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:That's not considered evil.

I don't agree. All judgement and punishment, when not from God, is evil.

...but you view a functioning judiciary as a necessary evil?
I'm just checking cause I'm curious.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:07 pm

Heimatia wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:I don't agree. All judgement and punishment, when not from God, is evil.

...but you view a functioning judiciary as a necessary evil?
I'm just checking cause I'm curious.

Yes.
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Postby Aillyria » Fri Mar 09, 2018 10:01 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Heimatia wrote:...but you view a functioning judiciary as a necessary evil?
I'm just checking cause I'm curious.

Yes.

Why is it evil if it's necessary? That makes little sense.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Fri Mar 09, 2018 10:02 pm

Aillyria wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Yes.

Why is it evil if it's necessary? That makes little sense.

Because it's passing judgement on another person.
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Postby Salus Maior » Fri Mar 09, 2018 10:10 pm

Aillyria wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Yes.

Why is it evil if it's necessary? That makes little sense.


"Necessary evil" is a term that exists.
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Postby Old Tyrannia » Sat Mar 10, 2018 1:21 am

Benuty wrote:So I wonder who among us would make the best dictator? No kleptocrats need to apply only the people willing to do whatever it takes for their nation needed.

We had a poll on this, I won. You can never take that away from me!
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Postby Bienenhalde » Sat Mar 10, 2018 8:24 am

Republic of the Cristo wrote:I could live under Parkus - He's close enough to my own beliefs.


I quite respect Parkus. He seems very upright and well-intentioned. But if he were an absolute dictator, I fear he would outlaw almost everything fun.

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Postby Luminesa » Sat Mar 10, 2018 9:49 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:That's not considered evil.

I don't agree. All judgement and punishment, when not from God, is evil.

What if it’s judging Marches’s taste in music? Truly that must mean I am doing a service by protecting the world from The Eternal Anglo’s bad taste in music. :^))))
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Sat Mar 10, 2018 9:52 am

I don't empathise much with other people and sometimes struggle to regard either myself or particularly them as human. Combine this with intense dislike for revolutionary politics and DI's dictatorship would probably involve the murder of anyone exceeding 4 or 5 points in any direction on the political compass.
Are these "human rights" in the room with us right now?
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Postby Questers » Sat Mar 10, 2018 10:19 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:I don't empathise much with other people and sometimes struggle to regard either myself or particularly them as human. Combine this with intense dislike for revolutionary politics and DI's dictatorship would probably involve the murder of anyone exceeding 4 or 5 points in any direction on the political compass.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Sat Mar 10, 2018 1:09 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
Republic of the Cristo wrote:I could live under Parkus - He's close enough to my own beliefs.


I quite respect Parkus. He seems very upright and well-intentioned. But if he were an absolute dictator, I fear he would outlaw almost everything fun.

I would never accept absolute dictatorship because absolute dictatorship is not the government suited to the Anglo peoples.

Taihei Tengoku wrote:It always seemed incongruous to me that one can favor anti-egalitarianism and hierarchical sorting and then object to its results.

There is more than one method of hierarchical sorting, and different methods work better for difference peoples and times.

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The Parkus Empire wrote:You should read the article I posted on why bourgeois meritocracy is shit
link it

https://www.frontporchrepublic.com/2009 ... ritocracy/
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Sat Mar 10, 2018 1:16 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Aillyria wrote:Why is it evil if it's necessary? That makes little sense.

Because it's passing judgement on another person.

Passing judgement on another person where ordained by God, is not evil. 1 Peter 2:14 says God has established governors in order to punish the evil.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Sat Mar 10, 2018 1:20 pm

Aillyria wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:You have said before that he was the greatest ruler Russia ever had.

He did not successfully eradicate the culture, but he tried very hard to, and sent it into a recession it didn't start to recover from until Seraphim of Sarov came along. By the 19th Century it was blossoming asgain, especially after Alexander II (who, of course, had a beard)

Peter is my favorite Russian ruler, but I by no means like him in general, nor am in very fond of the Russian state (I love their music, literature, and language though.)

I'm much more fond of and knowledgeable about German history.

Slavophile Russian writers were a cultural reaction against Peter's reforms.
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Postby Questers » Sat Mar 10, 2018 5:50 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:https://www.frontporchrepublic.com/2009/05/the-decline-of-middle-america-and-the-problem-of-meritocracy/
This is incredible. Interesting how easily and simply it can be transplanted to British society.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Sat Mar 10, 2018 5:53 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
Republic of the Cristo wrote:I could live under Parkus - He's close enough to my own beliefs.


I quite respect Parkus. He seems very upright and well-intentioned. But if he were an absolute dictator, I fear he would outlaw almost everything fun.

Many "fun" things should be outlawed.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Sat Mar 10, 2018 6:00 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:
I quite respect Parkus. He seems very upright and well-intentioned. But if he were an absolute dictator, I fear he would outlaw almost everything fun.

Many "fun" things should be outlawed.

Nah.
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Postby Questers » Sat Mar 10, 2018 6:01 pm

Yes.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Sat Mar 10, 2018 6:08 pm

Questers wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:https://www.frontporchrepublic.com/2009/05/the-decline-of-middle-america-and-the-problem-of-meritocracy/
This is incredible. Interesting how easily and simply it can be transplanted to British society.

A large part of that article's dilemma would be solved if the expection of merit were not forced onto everyone, while keeping the mechanism in place.
Questers wrote:Yes.

Give examples.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Sat Mar 10, 2018 6:09 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Many "fun" things should be outlawed.

Nah.

Night clubs, strip joints, gambling dens, etc. should all be banned.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Sat Mar 10, 2018 6:09 pm

Questers wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:https://www.frontporchrepublic.com/2009/05/the-decline-of-middle-america-and-the-problem-of-meritocracy/
This is incredible. Interesting how easily and simply it can be transplanted to British society.

Yes, it will be an increasingly global problem.
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Postby Questers » Sat Mar 10, 2018 6:11 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:A large part of that article's dilemma would be solved if the expection of merit were not forced onto everyone, while keeping the mechanism in place.
Yeah but affecting social change without changing the rules is nearly impossible.

Northern Davincia wrote:Give examples.
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Postby Republic of the Cristo » Sat Mar 10, 2018 6:12 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Aillyria wrote:Why is it evil if it's necessary? That makes little sense.

Because it's passing judgement on another person.


Rulers are expected to pass judgement - and in Romans 15:17 we see that God commands that we willfully submit to our rulers.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Sat Mar 10, 2018 6:12 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Nah.

Night clubs, strip joints, gambling dens, etc. should all be banned.

I'm quite fond of those little indulgences, though I don't partake in them. A moral person would avoid them anyway, an immoral person would find substitutes in the black market.
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Postby Questers » Sat Mar 10, 2018 6:12 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:Night clubs, strip joints, gambling dens, etc. should all be banned.
Bit far. I agree with the others though.
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