Right Wing Discussion Thread XI: It's Okay To Be Right

[Zanera]

If it is the Lee I am thinking about then I could just imagine the outcry that would bring.

Traitor to the Union.

[New Emeline]

If it is the Lee I am thinking about then I could just imagine the outcry that would bring.

People are usually opposed to honoring traitors, yes.

[Herskerstad]

If it is the Lee I am thinking about then I could just imagine the outcry that would bring.

Traitor to the Union.

Far more fascinating person than Grant, admittedly, but there would be a lot of shrieking if those two replaced each-other.

[The Parkus Empire]

If it is the Lee I am thinking about then I could just imagine the outcry that would bring.

People are usually opposed to honoring traitors, yes.

But the $1 bill. :^)

[New Emeline]

People are usually opposed to honoring traitors, yes.

But the $1 bill. :^)

Washington wasn't a traitor to the US. Lee was.

If the British had Washington on their money that would be the equivalent.

[Constaniana]

Why not have them both on a bill?

[New Emeline]

Why not have them both on a bill?

Only if they're in a fistfight

[The Parkus Empire]

But the $1 bill. :^)

Washington wasn't a traitor to the US. Lee was.

If the British had Washington on their money that would be the equivalent.

Washington isn't British. More like Guy Fawkes

[United Muscovite Nations]

As long as we're talking about who to put on currency, take a note from my flag and put the Tsar on gold coins.

[New Emeline]

Take notes from New Zealand and put Funny Birds on our currency

[Constaniana]

Why not have them both on a bill?

Only if they're in a fistfight

[New Emeline]

Only if they're in a fistfight

[The Parkus Empire]

Take notes from New Zealand and put Funny Birds on our currency

The eagle isn't funny.

[Albrenia]

Take notes from New Zealand and put Funny Birds on our currency

The eagle isn't funny.

What was that other bird they were going to have as the national bird... the turkey vulture or something? Do they look funny?

[The Parkus Empire]

The eagle isn't funny.

What was that other bird they were going to have as the national bird... the turkey vulture or something? Do they look funny?

It was going to be a turkey. Pilgrim thing smdh

[Albrenia]

What was that other bird they were going to have as the national bird... the turkey vulture or something? Do they look funny?

It was going to be a turkey. Pilgrim thing smdh

Putting a turkey on your money would certainly say something. I'm not sure what, though.

Maybe 'we're hungry'.

[The Parkus Empire]

It was going to be a turkey. Pilgrim thing smdh

Putting a turkey on your money would certainly say something. I'm not sure what, though.

Maybe 'we're hungry'.

I prefer "we're full"

[Albrenia]

Putting a turkey on your money would certainly say something. I'm not sure what, though.

Maybe 'we're hungry'.

I prefer "we're full"

That's clever. Gotta love dual meanings.

[The Parkus Empire]

I prefer "we're full"

That's clever. Gotta love dual meanings.

I don't, used too much in flirtation and crassness. Exempli gratia, that's what she said

[Minzerland II]

That was a wonderful day, no? Caesar got what he deserved. But I do agree that most of those men were cowards and hypocrites.

Before his assassination, he was in the process of planning a massive invasion of Persia, swooping up through Central Asia and ravaging his way across the Pontic Steppe before crossing the Danube and returning to Rome as a conquering rivaling even the legacy of Alexander the Great. Granted, it was quite the ambitious plan, but if anyone could have pulled it off, it would have been Caesar.

It's also worth noting that he was slowly dying of a brain parasite he picked up in Egypt, and probably wasn't going to last another decade.

Even if you unconditionally despise Caesar, supporting the assassination of a man who greatly benefited the Roman state and vastly expanded its borders is both nonsensical and indicative of either a misguided sense of vengeance or blind adherence to ideology.

A great day indeed for any supporter of the Republic. :^)

Because he thought those men would destroy Rome, which is exactly what happened with Caesar!

Right, the man who was one of the greatest net contributors to Rome was also the man who destroyed it.

Caesar absolutely and utterly destroyed the Republic. I actually have very little interest in the Empire besides a few key people, religion, and conflicts.

FYI the Rome died in 45 BC. :^)

Spare me your pandering to the legacy of long dead idealists.

Do tell, which 'long dead idealists' am I pandering to?

Caesar was never going to become king, and made little effort to pursue that end.

And yet he made himself dictator at the end of the Civil War, first for 11 days in 49 BC, after crossing the Rubicon, second in 48 BC for an indefinite period, during the Civil War, and then third in 46 BC for 10 years. Likely would have extended it further had he not been assassinated.

Hell, for a man who was apparently a megalomaniacal threat to the republic, he made no attempt whatsoever to destroy his political enemies, even when he had the perfect opportunities to do so.

Caesar granted clemency as a means of gaining support and political capital. He did not kill his political enemies because he would lose political capital. He didn't bother with clemency when he did not need it. Like with a certain Gaulish Tribe.

So much for republican virtue.

How is filibustering counter to republican virtue?

What a blatant lie. Cato had many qualms with allying with Pompey: despite Pompey idolising Cato, Cato treated him coldly on their first meeting, and then Cato denied him his daughter in marriage. He chose to ally with Pompey because Caesar was marching on Rome.

Compromising with a man he considered a threat to the republic after refusing to compromise with another man he considered a threat to the republic.

So much for being a perfect idealization of republican virtue.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend. This was no compromise, as Cato likely did not see Pompey as an enemy of the Republic, because Pompey had began to side with the Optimates.

I will admit Cato made many mistakes regarding Pompey.

You mean the Cato that passed vital anti-corruption legislation, and passed the single greatest expansion of the grain dole for the Plebeians? That Cato? Cato obstructed people, like Caesar, because he thought they were dangerous to the Republic, using popular reform to boost their popularity and thus subvert the Republic in that fashion. He was everything that was great about the Late Republic. The corrupt were who ultimately brought down the Republic and not Cato.

The same Cato who chose expanding a bloated and unsustainable state-run charity service, rather than supporting much-needed land and tax reform that would have seen the republic survive.

He was no better than the die-hard conservative individualists of the 1930's who figured endless soup kitchen lines were preferable to actually doing something about their dying economies.

Funny you say this, Caesarboo, as Cato only passed the legislation to frustrate and circumvent Caesar and the Populares, who had the same legislation in mind; so as to take from them their main source of power (the plebeian).

But if Caesar passed the legislation, you would no doubt frame him as the compassionate hero Rome needed and praise him for his wonderful legislation. :^)

If anything, Caesar is who is lionised by historians, not Cato. Caesar is mostly known, whereas Cato is mostly forgotten. You see Kaiser and Czar as titles; you see people praise Caesar for his accomplishment, but then also willfully ignore his corruption because 'h-he expanded the R-republics territory, g-guys, just ignore h-his corruption and subsequent d-destruction of the R-republic ;('

Y'know, on that note you're right.

Caesar is remembered far more fondly than Cato, and rightfully so.

Nah.

Take notes from New Zealand and put Funny Birds on our currency

[Albrenia]

Did you just use Colin Mochrie as a meme? I approve.

[The East Marches II]

Let's start an editorial, The Daily Male. We can have all sorts of interesting articles

Can't Spell Harmony without Harm: Unity and how to Avoid it

The Case for Putting Lee on the $50 Bill

Atheism: a Concern for National Security

I would glad contribute to that publication as the resident Orientalist :^)

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Let's start an editorial, The Daily Male. We can have all sorts of interesting articles

Can't Spell Harmony without Harm: Unity and how to Avoid it

The Case for Putting Lee on the $50 Bill

Atheism: a Concern for National Security

Christopher Lee or Bruce Lee?

[The Parkus Empire]

Let's start an editorial, The Daily Male. We can have all sorts of interesting articles

Can't Spell Harmony without Harm: Unity and how to Avoid it

The Case for Putting Lee on the $50 Bill

Atheism: a Concern for National Security

I would glad contribute to that publication as the resident Orientalist :^)

You will have to have a Fu-Manchu mustache and smoke a hookah to be qualified.

[The East Marches II]

I would glad contribute to that publication as the resident Orientalist :^)

You will have to have a Fu-Manchu mustache and smoke a hookah to be qualified.

RIP me, too much of a puritan