Right Wing Discussion Thread XI: It's Okay To Be Right

[United Muscovite Nations]

The enduring legacy of LKY is that he removed the need for Singapore to ever have a philosopher king again--his son is somewhat of a disappointment but Venice endures.


The warlord's son was a US Marine at the time.

Big government brainwashing our children and destroying the family unit... makes me sick.

To be fair, something needs to be done about Somaliland blocking the merger.

[Republic of the Cristo]

Big government brainwashing our children and destroying the family unit... makes me sick.

To be fair, something needs to be done about Somaliland blocking the merger.

Somaliland is the only part of Somalia which is actually in a functioning state - trying to put them back under the disastrous rule of Mogadishu would do nothing to benefit the people there. In addition to this, the people of Somaliland wish for sovereignty; I see no reason to force them back into Somalia if they do not wish for it.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Why would you make me commit evils in the name of the populace?

Reluctance to commit evil with the understanding that it must be done is the best vaccine against misuse of the necessary coercive mechanisms of state.

You have been conscripted as dictator. You must serve the state as any other.

Evil must never be done.

[Mujahidah]

Reluctance to commit evil with the understanding that it must be done is the best vaccine against misuse of the necessary coercive mechanisms of state.

You have been conscripted as dictator. You must serve the state as any other.

Evil must never be done.

I think that depends on how you define "evil."

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Evil must never be done.

I think that depends on how you define "evil."

No matter how you define it, if you can't agree that it must never be done, you've got a problem.

[Republic of the Cristo]

Reluctance to commit evil with the understanding that it must be done is the best vaccine against misuse of the necessary coercive mechanisms of state.

You have been conscripted as dictator. You must serve the state as any other.

Evil must never be done.

I think that some actions which normally would be considered sinful for an individual out of power, would be considered permissible, perhaps even obligatory, to persons in power.

In Romans 15:17, it speaks to the common man of how he should not rebel against his rulers - for they had been appointed by God. In saying that rulers are appointed by God and that man should willingly subject themselves to them, I think a great deal of responsibility and obligation is also laid down on the ruler by God. You are given your authority so as to act as a kind of Earthly shepherd for your subjects. What a shepherd might be expected to do is different from what a sheep is expected to do. Things like capital punishment might be permissible, or even defensive wars.

This is my interpretation of course. If anyone has any verse to the contrary I would like to hear it.

[Proctopeo]

Reluctance to commit evil with the understanding that it must be done is the best vaccine against misuse of the necessary coercive mechanisms of state.

You have been conscripted as dictator. You must serve the state as any other.

Evil must never be done.

Every Villain Is Lemons.

[Benuty]

Reluctance to commit evil with the understanding that it must be done is the best vaccine against misuse of the necessary coercive mechanisms of state.

You have been conscripted as dictator. You must serve the state as any other.

Evil must never be done.

There are cases where that, unfortunately, is unavoidable.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Evil must never be done.

I think that some actions which normally would be considered sinful for an individual out of power, would be considered permissible, perhaps even obligatory, to persons in power.

In Romans 15:17, it speaks to the common man of how he should not rebel against his rulers - for they had been appointed by God. In saying that rulers are appointed by God and that man should willingly subject themselves to them, I think a great deal of responsibility and obligation is also laid down on the ruler by God. You are given your authority so as to act as a kind of Earthly shepherd for your subjects. What a shepherd might be expected to do is different from what a sheep is expected to do. Things like capital punishment might be permissible, or even defensive wars.

This is my interpretation of course. If anyone has any verse to the contrary I would like to hear it.

I generally disagree, I think actions which are unethical remain unethical when they are committed by those in power, though I would like to see some examples of actions you would consider to be bad for Joe Public, but good for the state.

I don't agree with that passage. It's not 15:17, so I can't remember it with perfect accuracy, but I read it before, and it seemed to be saying that the state (all states) was doing God's work and punishing the evildoer. Not only is this wrong in the real world, as we see plently of states persecuting people who've done nothing wrong, like China persecuting Christians. But it's also wrong in the context of the Bible! "Oh yeah, them pharisees are really bad, and them Roman authorities are really bad for persecuting the apostles. Oh BTW, authority is always right." "The Roman Empire is doing God's work by PERSECUTING CHRISTIANS." In the context of the NT, that passage is downright retarded.

Capital punishment is not permissable, and defensive conflict is okay for Joe Public as well, as long as he doesn't forcefully conscript anyone to help him.

I've got a verse to the contrary; any verse in which the apostles or Jesus were persecuted by authorities.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Evil must never be done.

Every Villain Is Lemons.

True words were never spoken.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Evil must never be done.

There are cases where that, unfortunately, is unavoidable.

Such as?

[United Muscovite Nations]

Reluctance to commit evil with the understanding that it must be done is the best vaccine against misuse of the necessary coercive mechanisms of state.

You have been conscripted as dictator. You must serve the state as any other.

Evil must never be done.

So we must never put criminals in prison?

[Northern Davincia]

Evil must never be done.

So we must never put criminals in prison?

That's not considered evil.

[Republic of the Cristo]

So we must never put criminals in prison?

That's not considered evil.

According to whom?

Edit: Andrew Ryan - big fan of moral subjectivity if I do recall.

[Aillyria]

Yes......and? I didn't say I liked Peter, but that I didn't see his actions as destroying Russian culture, changing it, sure, but not destroying it.

You have said before that he was the greatest ruler Russia ever had.

He did not successfully eradicate the culture, but he tried very hard to, and sent it into a recession it didn't start to recover from until Seraphim of Sarov came along. By the 19th Century it was blossoming asgain, especially after Alexander II (who, of course, had a beard)

Peter is my favorite Russian ruler, but I by no means like him in general, nor am in very fond of the Russian state (I love their music, literature, and language though.)

I'm much more fond of and knowledgeable about German history.

[United Muscovite Nations]

So we must never put criminals in prison?

That's not considered evil.

I don't agree. All judgement and punishment, when not from God, is evil.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

That's not considered evil.

According to whom?

Edit: Andrew Ryan - big fan of moral subjectivity if I do recall.

You shouldn’t base your understanding of someone’s opinions on their flag, it’s bad practice, and bound to lead to embarrassment.

[Aillyria]

That's not considered evil.

I don't agree. All judgement and punishment, when not from God, is evil.

I disagree. Criminals should be punished, otherwise people would run amok.

[Republic of the Cristo]

According to whom?

Edit: Andrew Ryan - big fan of moral subjectivity if I do recall.

You shouldn’t base your understanding of someone’s opinions on their flag, it’s bad practice, and bound to lead to embarrassment.

No, I mean he's actually a Ryan apologist. Quotes him all the time.

[Proctopeo]

You shouldn’t base your understanding of someone’s opinions on their flag, it’s bad practice, and bound to lead to embarrassment.

No, I mean he's actually a Ryan apologist. Quotes him all the time.

As they say, when life gives you lemons, don't make lemonade.

[United Muscovite Nations]

I don't agree. All judgement and punishment, when not from God, is evil.

I disagree. Criminals should be punished, otherwise people would run amok.

The two aren't mutually exclusive.

[Republic of the Cristo]

No, I mean he's actually a Ryan apologist. Quotes him all the time.

As they say, when life gives you lemons, don't make lemonade.

* hmph * a slave obeys

[Proctopeo]

As they say, when life gives you lemons, don't make lemonade.

* hmph * a slave obeys

Be careful, that lemon may or may not be highly flammable.

[Northern Davincia]

That's not considered evil.

According to whom?

Edit: Andrew Ryan - big fan of moral subjectivity if I do recall.

Ryan did imprison Sofia Lamb.

That's not considered evil.

I don't agree. All judgement and punishment, when not from God, is evil.

God, creating us as rational beings, is probably keen on us employing said rationality to impose justice.

[Republic of the Cristo]

According to whom?

Edit: Andrew Ryan - big fan of moral subjectivity if I do recall.

Ryan did imprison Sofia Lamb.

I don't agree. All judgement and punishment, when not from God, is evil.

God, creating us as rational beings, is probably keen on us employing said rationality to impose justice.

Breaks his own moral code when he deems it necessary? Sounds pretty morally subjective to me.