Right Wing Discussion Thread XI: It's Okay To Be Right

[Republic of the Cristo]

Reluctance to commit evil with the understanding that it must be done is the best vaccine against misuse of the necessary coercive mechanisms of state.

You have been conscripted as dictator. You must serve the state as any other.

>necessary
>coercive
>state

Ew to all three.

I know right? All that prosperity and safety really just bugs the crap out of me. Why can't we all just be more like Somalia?

[Questers]

Sure, but you only really "call people to duty" during times of crisis. If you keep doing it all the time it would lose its meaning.

I don't disagree with your analysis, but even if he had to be persuaded, Ike had to run for President. He had to have the requisite ambition, competency, and desire for power.

I think we're running off of different definitions of desire.

I wonder at any point during the campaign Ike thought he didn't want to win after all, and he was running only reluctantly? I mean maybe, I'm not intimately familiar with that election. But I think it's more likely that when the challenge came up, he decided he wanted to win: he desired to be the President.

Contrast perhaps with DJT, where there's some evidence he didn't even want to be President, he just desired fame and ego. I agree with your analysis in this case. But also, a lot of dictators who do horrible things desire that power, but also genuinely believing they are saving the nation. Like Pinochet or Soeharto or Chung-hee Park.

[Northern Davincia]

>necessary
>coercive
>state

Ew to all three.

I know right? All that prosperity and safety really just bugs the crap out of me. Why can't we all just be more like Somalia?

>implying Somalia isn't run by statist warlords

[Questers]

I mean a dictator unless they are really laid back kind of requires some of these things do they not?

A libertarian dictator would, by nature, be laid back.

No he wouldn't. He'd be as busy as a bee passing the laws that his financial backers demand.

[Senkaku]

>necessary
>coercive
>state

Ew to all three.

I know right? All that prosperity and safety really just bugs the crap out of me. Why can't we all just be more like Somalia?

ND thinks he'd end up being a warlord, not a child soldier.

[United Muscovite Nations]

I know right? All that prosperity and safety really just bugs the crap out of me. Why can't we all just be more like Somalia?

>implying Somalia isn't run by statist warlords

They're just small business owners.

[Mujahidah]

A libertarian dictator would, by nature, be laid back.

No he wouldn't. He'd be as busy as a bee passing the laws that his financial backers demand.

I think ND means a dictator committed to Libertarian principles. Tilting the "invisible hand" would be rather unlibertarian.

[Republic of the Cristo]

I know right? All that prosperity and safety really just bugs the crap out of me. Why can't we all just be more like Somalia?

>implying Somalia isn't run by statist warlords

Don't you mean private property advocates?

Edit: and militia enthusiasts?

[Taihei Tengoku]

Truman was a longtime Democratic operator and Ike was a general, suffice to say neither were really reluctant at all about having command. But that is both besides the point--dictators are just one facet of a System rather than the feature. The more relevant question for prospective philosopher kings is who would RWDT pick as a cabinet.

[Questers]

>implying Somalia isn't run by statist warlords

They're just small business owners.

LOL

[Benuty]

>necessary
>coercive
>state

Ew to all three.

I know right? All that prosperity and safety really just bugs the crap out of me. Why can't we all just be more like Somalia?

That is unfair to Somalia, and you know it.

Where else can you have a state restricted to its capital while warlord pseudo states enforce their own rule?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anocracy#Somalia

[Senkaku]

I know right? All that prosperity and safety really just bugs the crap out of me. Why can't we all just be more like Somalia?

>implying Somalia isn't run by statist warlords

Ah yes, all those statist warlords, praising the central government's all-encompassing power

:thonk:

[Questers]

Truman was a longtime Democratic operator and Ike was a general, suffice to say neither were really reluctant at all about having command. But that is both besides the point--dictators are just one facet of a System rather than the feature. The more relevant question for prospective philosopher kings is who would RWDT pick as a cabinet.

I would put Ha-joon Chang in the Exchequer, HMS Vanguard in the Home Office, and add the Foreign Office to my own portfolio.

[Benuty]

A libertarian dictator would, by nature, be laid back.

No he wouldn't. He'd be as busy as a bee passing the laws that his financial backers demand.

Probably not passing any laws at all unless you go all out like Andrew Ryan did during the Adam crisis and civil war in Rapture.

[Northern Davincia]

>implying Somalia isn't run by statist warlords

Don't you mean private property advocates?

Edit: and militia enthusiasts?

I have reason to doubt that said militias believe in libertarian ethics.

No he wouldn't. He'd be as busy as a bee passing the laws that his financial backers demand.

Probably not passing any laws at all unless you go all out like Andrew Ryan did during the Adam crisis and civil war in Rapture.

Excuse me but Ryan is a flawless leader.

[Republic of the Cristo]

Don't you mean private property advocates?

Edit: and militia enthusiasts?

I have reason to doubt that said militias believe in libertarian ethics.

Probably not passing any laws at all unless you go all out like Andrew Ryan did during the Adam crisis and civil war in Rapture.

Excuse me but Ryan is a flawless leader.

Ethics shmethics - they hate the federal government, love guns, shoot anything that enters into their property, and have drugs galore! All you need to do now is start shipping in some teenage atheists and hentai by the boat load and we will have a libertarian paradise!

[Heimatia]

>implying Somalia isn't run by statist warlords

They're just small business owners.

I usually browse NS at work because its not funny, dammit

[Conserative Morality]

Truman was a longtime Democratic operator and Ike was a general, suffice to say neither were really reluctant at all about having command. But that is both besides the point--dictators are just one facet of a System rather than the feature. The more relevant question for prospective philosopher kings is who would RWDT pick as a cabinet.

There's a difference between not desiring power and being reluctant to have it.

Geni is my foreign minister, because I trust him to pursue the same idealistic foreign policy I would.
Lumi gets minister of culture.
UMN as head of religious affairs, because if we let my state cult run rampant I'd probably end up overthrown tbh. Better to give lip service to the religions of the people. Plus Benuty would scare the masses tbh
OT can be my Supreme Justice or whoever it is that sorts out the trappings and function of the law when my DICTATORIAL ORDERS are unclear.
ND can be my liason with the business world. Even brutal dictators must keep a finger on the pulse of the market and the CAPTAINS OF INDUSTRY who run it.
Aillyria can be my head of counterintelligence
TEM as my second, my junior consul, if you will. Watch this dog very careful Aillyria!

W-whose cabinets would I be in?

[Northern Davincia]

I have reason to doubt that said militias believe in libertarian ethics.

Excuse me but Ryan is a flawless leader.

Ethics shmethics - they hate the federal government, love guns, shoot anything that enters into their property, and have drugs galore! All you need to do now is start shipping in some teenage atheists and hentai by the boat load and we will have a libertarian paradise!

They love their self-imposed governments quite a bit. :^)

[Questers]

Relevant:

[Taihei Tengoku]

The woke localist take on Somalia is that it was picking up the pieces just fine under more or less "traditional" authorities and the Bush administration deliberately reignited the civil war in 2005.

[Republic of the Cristo]

The woke localist take on Somalia is that it was picking up the pieces just fine under more or less "traditional" authorities and the Bush administration deliberately reignited the civil war in 2005.

Local small business owners being having their rights trampled on by big government. Free markets were the real hero in Black Hawk Down.

[Taihei Tengoku]

Relevant:

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The enduring legacy of LKY is that he removed the need for Singapore to ever have a philosopher king again--his son is somewhat of a disappointment but Venice endures.

The woke localist take on Somalia is that it was picking up the pieces just fine under more or less "traditional" authorities and the Bush administration deliberately reignited the civil war in 2005.

Local small business owners being having their rights trampled on by big government. Free markets were the real hero in Black Hawk Down.

The warlord's son was a US Marine at the time.

[Republic of the Cristo]

Relevant:

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The enduring legacy of LKY is that he removed the need for Singapore to ever have a philosopher king again--his son is somewhat of a disappointment but Venice endures.

Local small business owners being having their rights trampled on by big government. Free markets were the real hero in Black Hawk Down.

The warlord's son was a US Marine at the time.

Big government brainwashing our children and destroying the family unit... makes me sick.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Truman was a longtime Democratic operator and Ike was a general, suffice to say neither were really reluctant at all about having command. But that is both besides the point--dictators are just one facet of a System rather than the feature. The more relevant question for prospective philosopher kings is who would RWDT pick as a cabinet.

TEM as Minister of Defense because he actually knows stuff about that
CM as Attorney General because I think the rest of you aren't level-headed and too ruthless and mean-spirited to be put in charge of prosecuting people
Benuty as Minister of Culture because I think he has good taste in books and movies
Aillyria as Minister of Education because she'd promote morality

I don't trust any of the rest of you enough to put you on my cabinet.