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What stance do you take on immigration?

1 - Full open borders. Sweden's Feminist Initiative model. Which involves doing all one can to prevent deportation of even alien criminal elements as they remain the responsibility of the country they find themselves in.
52
6%
2 - Full open borders with border security, checks and potential for deportation of harsher criminal immigrant elements. Multicultural model.
126
15%
3 - Full open borders with border security, checks and potential for deportation of harsher criminal immigrant elements. Melting-pot model.
176
22%
4 - Limited open borders that sets priories solely on the nations labour requirements.
72
9%
5 - Limited open borders that prioritises only high skilled labour. Multicultural model.
35
4%
6 - Limited open borders that prioritises only high skilled labour. Melting-pot model.
204
25%
7 - Closed borders. Only temporary green-cards, tourism and visas. No other forms of citizenship.
76
9%
8 - Fully closed borders.
36
4%
9 - Fully closed borders. No legal emigration.
39
5%
 
Total votes : 816

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Postby Benuty » Fri Mar 23, 2018 2:26 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Questers wrote:Calvinism is the best form of Christianity honestly.


....Which is also one of the harshest forms of Christianity.

You kind of have to be harsh to build an empire just ask Genghis "let me make a nice percentage of East Asia related to me" Khan.
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Mar 23, 2018 2:27 pm

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Then why dont you define "last resort?"

I thought that was self-explanatory. At least for you.
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Correction: al-Nusra

That’s not exactly better
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Postby Sovaal » Fri Mar 23, 2018 2:27 pm

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Sovaal wrote:Frankly, I do t know nor have anywhere it’s taet to know, so hence my opposition to theocracies.

Taet?

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Postby Benuty » Fri Mar 23, 2018 2:28 pm

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Benuty wrote:What are you saying the empire makers are wrong?


Yes, our species only needs one empire and we've got another 27,000 years to go before it's formed.

Ah yes, that nice old corpse emperor.

You know if the Imperials would just kill him, and let him be reborn through their worship, and emotions they might actually not be so bad off.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Mar 23, 2018 2:29 pm

Benuty wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Yes, our species only needs one empire and we've got another 27,000 years to go before it's formed.

Ah yes, that nice old corpse emperor.

You know if the Imperials would just kill him, and let him be reborn through their worship, and emotions they might actually not be so bad off.


>mfw
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Fri Mar 23, 2018 2:29 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:I thought that was self-explanatory. At least for you.

Correction: al-Nusra

That’s not exactly better

I think he stopped now, AlHamdulillah.
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Postby Albrenia » Fri Mar 23, 2018 2:29 pm

Benuty wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Yes, our species only needs one empire and we've got another 27,000 years to go before it's formed.

Ah yes, that nice old corpse emperor.

You know if the Imperials would just kill him, and let him be reborn through their worship, and emotions they might actually not be so bad off.


Then they couldn't keep him in a hellish state of living death so his mindscream can act as a beacon for space travel though.

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Postby Benuty » Fri Mar 23, 2018 2:30 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Benuty wrote:Ah yes, that nice old corpse emperor.

You know if the Imperials would just kill him, and let him be reborn through their worship, and emotions they might actually not be so bad off.


>mfw

Is it really heresy when certain members of the inquisition actually believe its the only way to save the Imperium, and they are right? It's like you people want the creation of a fifth chaos god or something.
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Postby Old Tyrannia » Fri Mar 23, 2018 2:30 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Sovaal wrote:I’m talking about the various Christian sects. Many of the people I know hold that members of other sects are wrong and will burn in hellfire.


Gotta love Protestants. Orthodox and Catholic Christians have a more hopeful view of the afterlife, imo. If one dies, you can still pray for their soul and hope they find peace.

Many, if not most, Anglicans also believe in prayer for the dead.
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I find the implications of Calvinism quite horrifying.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Mar 23, 2018 2:31 pm

Albrenia wrote:
Benuty wrote:Ah yes, that nice old corpse emperor.

You know if the Imperials would just kill him, and let him be reborn through their worship, and emotions they might actually not be so bad off.


Then they couldn't keep him in a hellish state of living death so his mindscream can act as a beacon for space travel though.


I hate to be that guy but I'm gonna nerd out and say that the Astronomican is actually powered by the people sacrificed daily, the Emperor simply directs the energy and makes it a bit more manageable.
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Postby Questers » Fri Mar 23, 2018 2:31 pm

All the best societies had their origins in strong political presbyterianism. I don't call myself a Christian but for the purpose of making a society, the reformed tradition seems massively superior
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Postby Benuty » Fri Mar 23, 2018 2:31 pm

Albrenia wrote:
Benuty wrote:Ah yes, that nice old corpse emperor.

You know if the Imperials would just kill him, and let him be reborn through their worship, and emotions they might actually not be so bad off.


Then they couldn't keep him in a hellish state of living death so his mindscream can act as a beacon for space travel though.

It would be nice for the Imperium to not be on the defensive against everything else in the universe for once including when the chaos worshippers get together to party.
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Postby Questers » Fri Mar 23, 2018 2:32 pm

Old Tyrannia wrote:I find the implications of Calvinism quite horrifying.
Really? It seems comforting to me (I am just sort of reading over these things now though, I am not that educated in theology.)
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Postby Sovaal » Fri Mar 23, 2018 2:32 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Sovaal wrote:I’m talking about the various Christian sects. Many of the people I know hold that members of other sects are wrong and will burn in hellfire.


Gotta love Protestants. Orthodox and Catholic Christians have a more hopeful view of the afterlife, imo. If one dies, you can still pray for their soul and hope they find peace.

Eh, I’ve met a few Catholics who were similar, nalthoigh ive proavoely not met enough people of any creed to say anything definitely.
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Postby Salus Maior » Fri Mar 23, 2018 2:32 pm

Benuty wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
....Which is also one of the harshest forms of Christianity.

You kind of have to be harsh to build an empire just ask Genghis "let me make a nice percentage of East Asia related to me" Khan.


It's not great for keeping empires, however.
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Postby Sovaal » Fri Mar 23, 2018 2:33 pm

The Calvinist were the Dutch correct? Or am I wrong?
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Winston Churchill, 1947.

"Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon – so long as there is no answer to it – gives claws to the weak.” - George Orwell

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Postby Benuty » Fri Mar 23, 2018 2:33 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Benuty wrote:You kind of have to be harsh to build an empire just ask Genghis "let me make a nice percentage of East Asia related to me" Khan.


It's not great for keeping empires, however.

If your descendants can remain competent, and not be subject to isolationist court intrigue then maybe.
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Postby Salus Maior » Fri Mar 23, 2018 2:33 pm

Old Tyrannia wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
Gotta love Protestants. Orthodox and Catholic Christians have a more hopeful view of the afterlife, imo. If one dies, you can still pray for their soul and hope they find peace.

Many, if not most, Anglicans also believe in prayer for the dead.
Questers wrote:Calvinism is the best form of Christianity honestly.

I find the implications of Calvinism quite horrifying.


Oh, yes of course. But Anglicans are also something of an "odd man out" of Protestantism. I don't usually count High Church Anglicans when I refer to Protestantism in a broad sense.
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Mar 23, 2018 2:34 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Sovaal wrote:I’m talking about the various Christian sects. Many of the people I know hold that members of other sects are wrong and will burn in hellfire.


Gotta love Protestants. Orthodox and Catholic Christians have a more hopeful view of the afterlife, imo. If one dies, you can still pray for their soul and hope they find peace.

Then ya got Judaism who’s like well it exists, kinda. But enough about that!!
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Postby Albrenia » Fri Mar 23, 2018 2:34 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Albrenia wrote:
Then they couldn't keep him in a hellish state of living death so his mindscream can act as a beacon for space travel though.


I hate to be that guy but I'm gonna nerd out and say that the Astronomican is actually powered by the people sacrificed daily, the Emperor simply directs the energy and makes it a bit more manageable.


You out nerded me, my friend. Your kung-fu is strong.

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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Mar 23, 2018 2:34 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Old Tyrannia wrote:Many, if not most, Anglicans also believe in prayer for the dead.

I find the implications of Calvinism quite horrifying.


Oh, yes of course. But Anglicans are also something of an "odd man out" of Protestantism.

There’s a reason why they are called catholic-lite.
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Postby Questers » Fri Mar 23, 2018 2:36 pm

I think I was put off Anglicanism by my education.
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Postby Salus Maior » Fri Mar 23, 2018 2:36 pm

Sovaal wrote:The Calvinist were the Dutch correct? Or am I wrong?


Parts of the Anglican Church are also Calvinists, and Scottish Presbyterians.
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Postby Salus Maior » Fri Mar 23, 2018 2:36 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
Oh, yes of course. But Anglicans are also something of an "odd man out" of Protestantism.

There’s a reason why they are called catholic-lite.


Some of them are literally just Catholicism without the Pope.
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Postby Reikoku » Fri Mar 23, 2018 2:36 pm

Questers wrote:Calvinism is the best form of Christianity honestly.


It paints God as a monster who predestines people to be tormented for eternity. Not sure how that's remotely good. Probably the reason I've met so many “X-point” Calvinists.

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