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What stance do you take on immigration?

1 - Full open borders. Sweden's Feminist Initiative model. Which involves doing all one can to prevent deportation of even alien criminal elements as they remain the responsibility of the country they find themselves in.
52
6%
2 - Full open borders with border security, checks and potential for deportation of harsher criminal immigrant elements. Multicultural model.
126
15%
3 - Full open borders with border security, checks and potential for deportation of harsher criminal immigrant elements. Melting-pot model.
176
22%
4 - Limited open borders that sets priories solely on the nations labour requirements.
72
9%
5 - Limited open borders that prioritises only high skilled labour. Multicultural model.
35
4%
6 - Limited open borders that prioritises only high skilled labour. Melting-pot model.
204
25%
7 - Closed borders. Only temporary green-cards, tourism and visas. No other forms of citizenship.
76
9%
8 - Fully closed borders.
36
4%
9 - Fully closed borders. No legal emigration.
39
5%
 
Total votes : 816

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Postby Mujahidah » Fri Mar 23, 2018 1:27 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Mujahidah wrote:
I think I see where WRA got the perception:


Yeah, and I gave about 1 or 2 Islamic sources explaining it.


I think, in general, I'd much prefer a spouse that doesn't hit me. Even 'lightly...'
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The Parkus Empire wrote:Ah, m'lady, if I were a heathen I'd wed thee four times

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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Fri Mar 23, 2018 1:27 pm

Sovaal wrote:Uh huh, or, or, I could choose not to trust any theocratic state because they go against every thing I believe, be They Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Hindi, etc. Yah, I’m going with the second option.

1: Hindi is a language
2: And I'm going with Islamism.
Kubumba Tribe's sister nation. NOT A PUPPET! >w< In fact, this one came 1st.
Proud Full Member of the Council of Islamic Cooperation!^u^
I'm a (Pan) Islamist ;)
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https://americanvision.org/948/theonomy-vs-theocracy/ wrote:God’s law cannot govern a nation where God’s law does not rule in the hearts of the people

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Plaetopia wrote:Partly Free / Hybrid regime (score 4-6) El-Amin Caliphate (5.33)

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Postby Sovaal » Fri Mar 23, 2018 1:32 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Sovaal wrote:Uh huh, or, or, I could choose not to trust any theocratic state because they go against every thing I believe, be They Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Hindi, etc. Yah, I’m going with the second option.

1: Hindi is a language
2: And I'm going with Islamism.

1: I’m on my phone, no need for a “gotcha!”
2: And I oppose theocracy period, for anyone anywhere.
Most of the time I have no idea what the hell I'm doing or talking about.

”Many forms of government have been tried and will be tried in this world of sin and woe.
No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is
the worst form of government, except for all the others that have been tried from time to time." -
Winston Churchill, 1947.

"Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon – so long as there is no answer to it – gives claws to the weak.” - George Orwell

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Postby Reikoku » Fri Mar 23, 2018 1:34 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Mujahidah wrote:
He argued for that? :shock:


I'm just working off of memory so I'll admit I might be wrong but I very strongly remember him saying it's allowed under Shariah to hit your wife for whatever reason but he tried to downplay it and say it's supposed to be light hits or some idiotic shit.


“Abdullah is a very progressive feminist. He only beats his wife lightly.”

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Postby Blanco-Campeon » Fri Mar 23, 2018 1:35 pm

Sovaal wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:

Uh huh, or, or, I could choose not to trust any theocratic state because they go against every thing I believe, be They Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Hindi, etc. Yah, I’m going with the second option.

Obligatory 'not every religiously-informed state is a theocracy' comment
Roman Catholic. Monarchist. Learning Latin.

The devil appeared to a monk disguised as an angel of light, and said to him, “I am the angel Gabriel, and I have been sent to you.” But the monk said, “Are you sure you weren’t sent to someone else? I am not worthy to have an angel sent to me.” At that the devil vanished.

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Postby Napkiraly » Fri Mar 23, 2018 1:37 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:Kafir is just like heathen or goy

That's mostly true, but in SA and Namibia it's also a very offensive ethnic slur to refer to black people.

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Postby Sovaal » Fri Mar 23, 2018 1:37 pm

Blanco-Campeon wrote:
Sovaal wrote:Uh huh, or, or, I could choose not to trust any theocratic state because they go against every thing I believe, be They Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Hindi, etc. Yah, I’m going with the second option.

Obligatory 'not every religiously-informed state is a theocracy' comment

Yah, I’m well aware. I don’t care if people push laws that are religiously inspired. But if your religion is the only basis given for the law, fuck that. And last I checked Sharia is religious law.
So yah fuck it.
Most of the time I have no idea what the hell I'm doing or talking about.

”Many forms of government have been tried and will be tried in this world of sin and woe.
No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is
the worst form of government, except for all the others that have been tried from time to time." -
Winston Churchill, 1947.

"Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon – so long as there is no answer to it – gives claws to the weak.” - George Orwell

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Postby Mujahidah » Fri Mar 23, 2018 1:37 pm

Napkiraly wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:Kafir is just like heathen or goy

That's mostly true, but in SA and Namibia it's also a very offensive ethnic slur to refer to black people.


Kubumba himself is black, iirc.
Your friendly, quirky neighborhood muslim girl
The Parkus Empire wrote:To paraphrase my hero, Richard Nixon: she's pink right down to her hijab.
The Parkus Empire wrote:I misjudged you, you are much more smarter than I gave you credit for.
Northern Davincia wrote:Can we engrave this in a plaque?
The Parkus Empire wrote:I am not sure I'm entirely comfortable with a woman being this well informed, but I'll try not to judge.
The Parkus Empire wrote:Ah, m'lady, if I were a heathen I'd wed thee four times

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El-Amin Caliphate
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Fri Mar 23, 2018 1:37 pm

https://islamqa.info/en/41199
"Hitting is subject to the condition that it should not be harsh or cause injury."
"‘Ata’ said: I said to Ibn ‘Abbaas, what is the kind of hitting that is not harsh? He said, Hitting with a siwaak and the like. [A siwaak is a small stick or twig used for cleaning the teeth - Translator] "
http://www.islamswomen.com/marriage/wif ... _islam.php
Kubumba Tribe's sister nation. NOT A PUPPET! >w< In fact, this one came 1st.
Proud Full Member of the Council of Islamic Cooperation!^u^
I'm a (Pan) Islamist ;)
CLICK THIS
https://americanvision.org/948/theonomy-vs-theocracy/ wrote:God’s law cannot govern a nation where God’s law does not rule in the hearts of the people

Democracy and Freedom Index
Plaetopia wrote:Partly Free / Hybrid regime (score 4-6) El-Amin Caliphate (5.33)

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Postby Mujahidah » Fri Mar 23, 2018 1:38 pm

Reikoku wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
I'm just working off of memory so I'll admit I might be wrong but I very strongly remember him saying it's allowed under Shariah to hit your wife for whatever reason but he tried to downplay it and say it's supposed to be light hits or some idiotic shit.


“Abdullah is a very progressive feminist. He only beats his wife lightly.”


Oh ffs
Your friendly, quirky neighborhood muslim girl
The Parkus Empire wrote:To paraphrase my hero, Richard Nixon: she's pink right down to her hijab.
The Parkus Empire wrote:I misjudged you, you are much more smarter than I gave you credit for.
Northern Davincia wrote:Can we engrave this in a plaque?
The Parkus Empire wrote:I am not sure I'm entirely comfortable with a woman being this well informed, but I'll try not to judge.
The Parkus Empire wrote:Ah, m'lady, if I were a heathen I'd wed thee four times

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Postby Questers » Fri Mar 23, 2018 1:38 pm

The East Marches II wrote:
Questers wrote: There is no Islamic influence on law in Britain.


That is not what your chief of trainers for judges is saying should be done. It should be taken into account in civil law from what I read in the Financial Times or something like that.
link?
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Napkiraly
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Postby Napkiraly » Fri Mar 23, 2018 1:39 pm

Mujahidah wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:That's mostly true, but in SA and Namibia it's also a very offensive ethnic slur to refer to black people.


Kubumba himself is black, iirc.

I am aware. I was pointing out that the term did have two different meanings dependent upon one's own location.

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Postby Sovaal » Fri Mar 23, 2018 1:39 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:https://islamqa.info/en/41199
"Hitting is subject to the condition that it should not be harsh or cause injury."
"‘Ata’ said: I said to Ibn ‘Abbaas, what is the kind of hitting that is not harsh? He said, Hitting with a siwaak and the like. [A siwaak is a small stick or twig used for cleaning the teeth - Translator] "
http://www.islamswomen.com/marriage/wif ... _islam.php

Id rather not hit or be hit at all.
Most of the time I have no idea what the hell I'm doing or talking about.

”Many forms of government have been tried and will be tried in this world of sin and woe.
No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is
the worst form of government, except for all the others that have been tried from time to time." -
Winston Churchill, 1947.

"Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon – so long as there is no answer to it – gives claws to the weak.” - George Orwell

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El-Amin Caliphate
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Fri Mar 23, 2018 1:39 pm

Mujahidah wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:That's mostly true, but in SA and Namibia it's also a very offensive ethnic slur to refer to black people.


Kubumba himself is black, iirc.

Yup.
Kubumba Tribe's sister nation. NOT A PUPPET! >w< In fact, this one came 1st.
Proud Full Member of the Council of Islamic Cooperation!^u^
I'm a (Pan) Islamist ;)
CLICK THIS
https://americanvision.org/948/theonomy-vs-theocracy/ wrote:God’s law cannot govern a nation where God’s law does not rule in the hearts of the people

Democracy and Freedom Index
Plaetopia wrote:Partly Free / Hybrid regime (score 4-6) El-Amin Caliphate (5.33)

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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Fri Mar 23, 2018 1:39 pm

Sovaal wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:https://islamqa.info/en/41199
"Hitting is subject to the condition that it should not be harsh or cause injury."
"‘Ata’ said: I said to Ibn ‘Abbaas, what is the kind of hitting that is not harsh? He said, Hitting with a siwaak and the like. [A siwaak is a small stick or twig used for cleaning the teeth - Translator] "
http://www.islamswomen.com/marriage/wif ... _islam.php

Id rather not hit or be hit at all.

You're not Muslim, thiz doesn't apply to you.
Kubumba Tribe's sister nation. NOT A PUPPET! >w< In fact, this one came 1st.
Proud Full Member of the Council of Islamic Cooperation!^u^
I'm a (Pan) Islamist ;)
CLICK THIS
https://americanvision.org/948/theonomy-vs-theocracy/ wrote:God’s law cannot govern a nation where God’s law does not rule in the hearts of the people

Democracy and Freedom Index
Plaetopia wrote:Partly Free / Hybrid regime (score 4-6) El-Amin Caliphate (5.33)

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Mujahidah
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Postby Mujahidah » Fri Mar 23, 2018 1:40 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:https://islamqa.info/en/41199
"Hitting is subject to the condition that it should not be harsh or cause injury."
"‘Ata’ said: I said to Ibn ‘Abbaas, what is the kind of hitting that is not harsh? He said, Hitting with a siwaak and the like. [A siwaak is a small stick or twig used for cleaning the teeth - Translator] "
http://www.islamswomen.com/marriage/wif ... _islam.php


You do realize that Islamqa is a website run by a controversial Salafi cleric, right?

Meet Muhammad Al-Munajjid.

I'm not saying you aren't allowed to agree with him - I don't impose belief on anyone. What I'm saying is that before going to someone as a source, you should understand who they are and what you are subscribing to.
Your friendly, quirky neighborhood muslim girl
The Parkus Empire wrote:To paraphrase my hero, Richard Nixon: she's pink right down to her hijab.
The Parkus Empire wrote:I misjudged you, you are much more smarter than I gave you credit for.
Northern Davincia wrote:Can we engrave this in a plaque?
The Parkus Empire wrote:I am not sure I'm entirely comfortable with a woman being this well informed, but I'll try not to judge.
The Parkus Empire wrote:Ah, m'lady, if I were a heathen I'd wed thee four times

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Postby Reikoku » Fri Mar 23, 2018 1:40 pm

The East Marches II wrote:
Trumptonium wrote:It's very telling that you're offended someone is painting Islamists with one brush. It's actually amazing you haven't been picked up by FBI yet.

Then again, most people here are probably on a watchlist.


This is entirely true tbh


“Top 10 Japanese War Criminals - Koku, Rei. Shoot on sight.”

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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Fri Mar 23, 2018 1:40 pm

Napkiraly wrote:
Mujahidah wrote:
Kubumba himself is black, iirc.

I am aware. I was pointing out that the term did have two different meanings dependent upon one's own location.

And context.
Kubumba Tribe's sister nation. NOT A PUPPET! >w< In fact, this one came 1st.
Proud Full Member of the Council of Islamic Cooperation!^u^
I'm a (Pan) Islamist ;)
CLICK THIS
https://americanvision.org/948/theonomy-vs-theocracy/ wrote:God’s law cannot govern a nation where God’s law does not rule in the hearts of the people

Democracy and Freedom Index
Plaetopia wrote:Partly Free / Hybrid regime (score 4-6) El-Amin Caliphate (5.33)

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Postby Reikoku » Fri Mar 23, 2018 1:40 pm

Mujahidah wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:That's mostly true, but in SA and Namibia it's also a very offensive ethnic slur to refer to black people.


Kubumba himself is black, iirc.


So was Hitler.

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Mujahidah
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Postby Mujahidah » Fri Mar 23, 2018 1:40 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Sovaal wrote:Id rather not hit or be hit at all.

You're not Muslim, thiz doesn't apply to you.


I am. And I said the same thing.

Mujahidah wrote:I think, in general, I'd much prefer a spouse that doesn't hit me. Even 'lightly...'
Your friendly, quirky neighborhood muslim girl
The Parkus Empire wrote:To paraphrase my hero, Richard Nixon: she's pink right down to her hijab.
The Parkus Empire wrote:I misjudged you, you are much more smarter than I gave you credit for.
Northern Davincia wrote:Can we engrave this in a plaque?
The Parkus Empire wrote:I am not sure I'm entirely comfortable with a woman being this well informed, but I'll try not to judge.
The Parkus Empire wrote:Ah, m'lady, if I were a heathen I'd wed thee four times

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Mujahidah
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Postby Mujahidah » Fri Mar 23, 2018 1:41 pm

Reikoku wrote:
Mujahidah wrote:
Kubumba himself is black, iirc.


So was Hitler.


Hitler was most definitively white.
Your friendly, quirky neighborhood muslim girl
The Parkus Empire wrote:To paraphrase my hero, Richard Nixon: she's pink right down to her hijab.
The Parkus Empire wrote:I misjudged you, you are much more smarter than I gave you credit for.
Northern Davincia wrote:Can we engrave this in a plaque?
The Parkus Empire wrote:I am not sure I'm entirely comfortable with a woman being this well informed, but I'll try not to judge.
The Parkus Empire wrote:Ah, m'lady, if I were a heathen I'd wed thee four times

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El-Amin Caliphate
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Fri Mar 23, 2018 1:41 pm

Mujahidah wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:https://islamqa.info/en/41199
"Hitting is subject to the condition that it should not be harsh or cause injury."
"‘Ata’ said: I said to Ibn ‘Abbaas, what is the kind of hitting that is not harsh? He said, Hitting with a siwaak and the like. [A siwaak is a small stick or twig used for cleaning the teeth - Translator] "
http://www.islamswomen.com/marriage/wif ... _islam.php


You do realize that Islamqa is a website run by a controversial Salafi cleric, right?

Meet Muhammad Al-Munajjid.

I'm not saying you aren't allowed to agree with him - I don't impose belief on anyone. What I'm saying is that before going to someone as a source, you should understand who they are and what you are subscribing to.

Yes. And although I disagree with Salafism/Wahhabism, most of their rulings that I have read are sound.
Kubumba Tribe's sister nation. NOT A PUPPET! >w< In fact, this one came 1st.
Proud Full Member of the Council of Islamic Cooperation!^u^
I'm a (Pan) Islamist ;)
CLICK THIS
https://americanvision.org/948/theonomy-vs-theocracy/ wrote:God’s law cannot govern a nation where God’s law does not rule in the hearts of the people

Democracy and Freedom Index
Plaetopia wrote:Partly Free / Hybrid regime (score 4-6) El-Amin Caliphate (5.33)

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Mar 23, 2018 1:41 pm

Reikoku wrote:
Mujahidah wrote:
Kubumba himself is black, iirc.


So was Hitler.


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Postby Reikoku » Fri Mar 23, 2018 1:42 pm

Mujahidah wrote:
Reikoku wrote:
So was Hitler.


Hitler was most definitively white.


That's what he wanted you to think.

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Postby Napkiraly » Fri Mar 23, 2018 1:42 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:I am aware. I was pointing out that the term did have two different meanings dependent upon one's own location.

And context.

No. If you're in SA, you'll probably be wise enough to stick to any other term that means the same thing without using that word itself.

>When even the Apartheid regime considered the slur offensive enough to be legally actionable

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