Right Wing Discussion Thread XI: It's Okay To Be Right

[Salus Maior]

"Are we there yet?"

"Shoulda used Map Quest."

"Ok, for that we're going to walk around this desert for 4 more decades." - Moses, probably.

[New Emeline]

Like the saying goes Russia has winters and the US has oceans

That's why we can't ever let the Russians/Chinese take Alaska or we'll never dislodge them.

As a former resident of Alaska, I’d like to see them try. Alaskans are tough.

[Genivaria]

"Standing militaries are dangerous unless they say they spend some of their time on boats =^^^)" - Parkus

I don't know, you can't really oppress the people and coup governments when all your resources are stuck to the ocean.

Not that I'm agreeing with Parkus on the whole standing army thing.

I mean only if we plan on turning the United States into Carthage.....god fucking forbid.

[Conserative Morality]

No as in the majority of the US is physically unfit to fight

Oh, come now, fitness is a minor issue that can be resolved inside of a month. The average American is overweight by 20-30 pounds, which looks like this, contrary to popular belief in a land of land whales.

[The Parkus Empire]

You can still have a navy without a standing army, pal

"Standing militaries are dangerous unless they say they spend some of their time on boats =^^^)" - Parkus

Armies

[The Parkus Empire]

People are less likely to fight bullshit wars. They will fight for good reason tho

No as in the majority of the US is physically unfit to fight

Most adult men can

[Conserative Morality]

I don't know, you can't really oppress the people and coup governments when all your resources are stuck to the ocean.

Not that I'm agreeing with Parkus on the whole standing army thing.

Super easy, really. Blockades, bombardments, etc. Remember that Britain was a world class power before it had a standing army worth speaking of and yet it was still ace at oppressing its subjects at home.

[Conserative Morality]

"Standing militaries are dangerous unless they say they spend some of their time on boats =^^^)" - Parkus

Armies

Oh, I'm sorry, would you prefer "Standing militaries are dangerous unless they call you seaman instead of soldier"?

[Albrenia]

No as in the majority of the US is physically unfit to fight

Most adult men can

I think he's calling you guys fat.

[The Parkus Empire]

You can still have a navy without a standing army, pal

No....no you can't.

Whoa, how did England manage against the Spanish Armada?

[The Parkus Empire]

Most adult men can

I think he's calling you guys fat.

HE is one of us and supports global U.S. empire

[Conserative Morality]

Whoa, how did England manage against the Spanish Armada?

Storms. Suicide attacks. Dutch help.

[Salus Maior]

I don't know, you can't really oppress the people and coup governments when all your resources are stuck to the ocean.

Not that I'm agreeing with Parkus on the whole standing army thing.

Super easy, really. Blockades, bombardments, etc. Remember that Britain was a world class power before it had a standing army worth speaking of and yet it was still ace at oppressing its subjects at home.

Hm, I don't know. I've never heard of a coup by Navy before.

I mean, sure, you could bombard and blockade, but then what? Your country hates you now, where are you going to go to port?

[Albrenia]

I think he's calling you guys fat.

HE is one of us and supports global U.S. empire

My Reptilian masters got there first, sorry, but we have dibs.

[The Parkus Empire]

I don't know, you can't really oppress the people and coup governments when all your resources are stuck to the ocean.

Not that I'm agreeing with Parkus on the whole standing army thing.

Super easy, really. Blockades, bombardments, etc. Remember that Britain was a world class power before it had a standing army worth speaking of and yet it was still ace at oppressing its subjects at home.

Blockades when we can domestically produce everything?

[Genivaria]

No....no you can't.

Whoa, how did England manage against the Spanish Armada?

You mean the navy vs navy battle that if it failed would've ended in a very Catholic England?
You ever hear the saying of eggs and baskets?

[Conserative Morality]

Hm, I don't know. I've never heard of a coup by Navy before.

I mean, sure, you could bombard and blockade, but then what? Your country hates you now, where are you going to go to port?

Deodoro de Fonseca was essentially overthrown by a naval coup (or counter-coup, depending on how you look at it)

Outside of the Roman Empire, professional militaries, army or navy, are comparitively recent inventions, and so likewise coups are uncommon until the modern era. I think there was a medieval Korean coup done by naval officers, but don't quote me on that.

Same way any army enters a city. You roll up and inflict damage until the people remaining surrender.

[Conserative Morality]

Blockades when we can domestically produce everything?

- The South, 1861

[Genivaria]

Hm, I don't know. I've never heard of a coup by Navy before.

I mean, sure, you could bombard and blockade, but then what? Your country hates you now, where are you going to go to port?

Deodoro de Fonseca was essentially overthrown by a naval coup (or counter-coup, depending on how you look at it)

Outside of the Roman Empire, professional militaries, army or navy, are comparitively recent inventions, and so likewise coups are uncommon until the modern era. I think there was a medieval Korean coup done by naval officers, but don't quote me on that.

Same way any army enters a city. You roll up and inflict damage until the people remaining surrender.

It's almost like marines/sailors/pirates can leave boats!

[The Parkus Empire]

Blockades when we can domestically produce everything?

- The South, 1861

The Union won by blockade alone, gg

[Salus Maior]

Hm, I don't know. I've never heard of a coup by Navy before.

I mean, sure, you could bombard and blockade, but then what? Your country hates you now, where are you going to go to port?

Deodoro de Fonseca was essentially overthrown by a naval coup (or counter-coup, depending on how you look at it)

Outside of the Roman Empire, professional militaries, army or navy, are comparitively recent inventions, and so likewise coups are uncommon until the modern era. I think there was a medieval Korean coup done by naval officers, but don't quote me on that.

Same way any army enters a city. You roll up and inflict damage until the people remaining surrender.

I feel like success in that would depend heavily on context. I mean, sure, a small country like Korea with a lot of ports might be hit hard by that, but a country like China (or the U.S) with tons of land that could depend on its internal resources would probably outlast any attempt by the Navy to take over.

[The Parkus Empire]

Whoa, how did England manage against the Spanish Armada?

You mean the navy vs navy battle that if it failed would've ended in a very Catholic England?
You ever hear the saying of eggs and baskets?

I doubt strongly that Spain intended or expected to occupy England for a prolonged period, or that they could. England didn't even let their OWN king push them around when he wanted them to go Catholic

[Conserative Morality]

The Union won by blockade alone, gg

The South was strangled by the Union blockade, yeah. Absent God interfering on the Just And Righteous Cause Of The South (for some strange reason He didn't) on land they were fucked the minute the blockade was decided upon.

[Salus Maior]

The Union won by blockade alone, gg

The South was strangled by the Union blockade, yeah. Absent God interfering on the Just And Righteous Cause Of The South (for some strange reason He didn't) on land they were fucked the minute the blockade was decided upon.

The South's not quite as righteous as it likes to think, imo.

[Conserative Morality]

Deodoro de Fonseca was essentially overthrown by a naval coup (or counter-coup, depending on how you look at it)

Outside of the Roman Empire, professional militaries, army or navy, are comparitively recent inventions, and so likewise coups are uncommon until the modern era. I think there was a medieval Korean coup done by naval officers, but don't quote me on that.

Same way any army enters a city. You roll up and inflict damage until the people remaining surrender.

I feel like success in that would depend heavily on context. I mean, sure, a small country like Korea with a lot of ports might be hit hard by that, but a country like China (or the U.S) with tons of land that could depend on its internal resources would probably outlast any attempt by the Navy to take over.

Theoretically, the same could be said about the Army... if occupying and 'taking over' in that sense was necessary.

It's not.

Most modern coups are done with the participation of a fraction of a fraction of the military's total personnel, and usually centered around government and military centers rather than occupying the country as a whole. Coups don't seek to (immediately) dismantle the whole of the government - just take it over. You only need the top brass (metaphorically speaking, since civilian/military divides are common in modern governments) to achieve that.