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What stance do you take on immigration?

1 - Full open borders. Sweden's Feminist Initiative model. Which involves doing all one can to prevent deportation of even alien criminal elements as they remain the responsibility of the country they find themselves in.
52
6%
2 - Full open borders with border security, checks and potential for deportation of harsher criminal immigrant elements. Multicultural model.
126
15%
3 - Full open borders with border security, checks and potential for deportation of harsher criminal immigrant elements. Melting-pot model.
176
22%
4 - Limited open borders that sets priories solely on the nations labour requirements.
72
9%
5 - Limited open borders that prioritises only high skilled labour. Multicultural model.
35
4%
6 - Limited open borders that prioritises only high skilled labour. Melting-pot model.
204
25%
7 - Closed borders. Only temporary green-cards, tourism and visas. No other forms of citizenship.
76
9%
8 - Fully closed borders.
36
4%
9 - Fully closed borders. No legal emigration.
39
5%
 
Total votes : 816

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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:18 pm

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Thermodolia wrote:Standing armies can also save lives by protecting the homeland from invasion

You don't need standing armies for that

Right because you’ll just train up some soldiers in a few days to repell any invasion. Like that will work. Let me tell you something the real world isn’t something the real world ain’t some HOI4 game
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:20 pm

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Standing armies can save lives. Just ask the inmates of Bergen Belsen in 1945.

I think standing armies had nothing to do with that, since you can still raise armies in time of need. Standing armies did make fascism possible though

Not effectively. Not in this day and age. This isn’t the 1800’s anymore. We need a standing army because people are less likely to fight now than they where 100 years ago. The times have changed and your ideology is stuck in the long dead past
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:21 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:You don't need standing armies for that

Right because you’ll just train up some soldiers in a few days to repell any invasion. Like that will work. Let me tell you something the real world isn’t something the real world ain’t some HOI4 game

Guerilla militias are shockingly effective, and in this country I am positive no one could conquer us.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:22 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:I think standing armies had nothing to do with that, since you can still raise armies in time of need. Standing armies did make fascism possible though

Not effectively. Not in this day and age. This isn’t the 1800’s anymore. We need a standing army because people are less likely to fight now than they where 100 years ago. The times have changed and your ideology is stuck in the long dead past

People are less likely to fight bullshit wars. They will fight for good reason tho
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Postby Genivaria » Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:23 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:You don't need standing armies for that

Right because you’ll just train up some soldiers in a few days to repell any invasion. Like that will work. Let me tell you something the real world isn’t something the real world ain’t some HOI4 game

Actually even in HOI4 a division that is hastily deployed might be so under-equipped and undermanned that while it might be in the field it's functionally useless.
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Thermodolia wrote:Right because you’ll just train up some soldiers in a few days to repell any invasion. Like that will work. Let me tell you something the real world isn’t something the real world ain’t some HOI4 game

Guerilla militias are shockingly effective, and in this country I am positive no one could conquer us.

Guerilla warfare is only really effective in combination with other standing forces, and you'd be wrong on the latter point.

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Postby Salus Maior » Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:24 pm

Taihei Tengoku wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:Neither.

Moses wants the Pharaoh to let the Jews leave Egypt to go to...an Egyptian province.


That's not an unusual concept historically speaking. Many barbarian tribals fought Rome so that they could have a chunk of territory within Imperial boundaries. Like the Goths.
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Postby Genivaria » Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:25 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Taihei Tengoku wrote:Moses wants the Pharaoh to let the Jews leave Egypt to go to...an Egyptian province.


That's not an unusual concept historically speaking. Many barbarian tribals fought Rome so that they could have a chunk of territory within Imperial boundaries. Like the Goths.

Historically speaking it's not unusual no, theologically speaking it's still kind of odd since Egypt was portrayed as the land of decadence and slavery and God's Chosen People were on a mission to escape it.

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Postby Genivaria » Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:27 pm

I feel I should point out that contrary to popular belief the single greatest obstacle for anyone planning to occupy the continental United States is not American gun owners, it is the Pacific and Atlantic Oceans and the motherfucking United States Navy.

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Postby The Parkus Empire » Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:27 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Right because you’ll just train up some soldiers in a few days to repell any invasion. Like that will work. Let me tell you something the real world isn’t something the real world ain’t some HOI4 game

Actually even in HOI4 a division that is hastily deployed might be so under-equipped and undermanned that while it might be in the field it's functionally useless.
The Parkus Empire wrote:Guerilla militias are shockingly effective, and in this country I am positive no one could conquer us.

Guerilla warfare is only really effective in combination with other standing forces, and you'd be wrong on the latter point.

No country could occupy us, it would be unbearable. We don't need standing armies. We have national guard (which includes armored units and special forces).
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Postby Conserative Morality » Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:27 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Taihei Tengoku wrote:Moses wants the Pharaoh to let the Jews leave Egypt to go to...an Egyptian province.


That's not an unusual concept historically speaking. Many barbarian tribals fought Rome so that they could have a chunk of territory within Imperial boundaries. Like the Goths.

Generally they fought from the outside going in, or fought defensively, not on a mission to some far-off province.
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Postby Salus Maior » Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:27 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
That's not an unusual concept historically speaking. Many barbarian tribals fought Rome so that they could have a chunk of territory within Imperial boundaries. Like the Goths.

Historically speaking it's not unusual no, theologically speaking it's still kind of odd since Egypt was portrayed as the land of decadence and slavery and God's Chosen People were on a mission to escape it.


Judea was not a developed Egyptian culture center, not like the Nile. They had hegemony over it for a time, sure, that doesn't make it Egyptian in a profound cultural/developmental sense.
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Postby Genivaria » Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:28 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Actually even in HOI4 a division that is hastily deployed might be so under-equipped and undermanned that while it might be in the field it's functionally useless.

Guerilla warfare is only really effective in combination with other standing forces, and you'd be wrong on the latter point.

No country could occupy us, it would be unbearable. We don't need standing armies. We have national guard (which includes armored units and special forces).

I'd rather sink their ships from afar then have to fight on our own ground and watch our cities burn for your romantic delusions.

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Postby The Parkus Empire » Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:31 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
That's not an unusual concept historically speaking. Many barbarian tribals fought Rome so that they could have a chunk of territory within Imperial boundaries. Like the Goths.

Historically speaking it's not unusual no, theologically speaking it's still kind of odd since Egypt was portrayed as the land of decadence and slavery and God's Chosen People were on a mission to escape it.

Not really. Egypt was heathen, but other heathens and actually the Jews themselves were portrayed as more depraved. Jews were in bondage and ordered by God to settle a specific place, but they complain bitterly many times and say they would rather have stayed in Egypt
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:31 pm

Genivaria wrote:I feel I should point out that contrary to popular belief the single greatest obstacle for anyone planning to occupy the continental United States is not American gun owners, it is the Pacific and Atlantic Oceans and the motherfucking United States Navy.

Like the saying goes Russia has winters and the US has oceans
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Postby Salus Maior » Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:32 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Historically speaking it's not unusual no, theologically speaking it's still kind of odd since Egypt was portrayed as the land of decadence and slavery and God's Chosen People were on a mission to escape it.

Not really. Egypt was heathen, but other heathens and actually the Jews themselves were portrayed as more depraved. Jews were in bondage and ordered by God to settle a specific place, but they complain bitterly many times and say they would rather have stayed in Egypt


Ancient Jews were huge whiners, really.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:32 pm

Genivaria wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:No country could occupy us, it would be unbearable. We don't need standing armies. We have national guard (which includes armored units and special forces).

I'd rather sink their ships from afar then have to fight on our own ground and watch our cities burn for your romantic delusions.

You can still have a navy without a standing army, pal
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Postby Conserative Morality » Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:33 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
Genivaria wrote:I'd rather sink their ships from afar then have to fight on our own ground and watch our cities burn for your romantic delusions.

You can still have a navy without a standing army, pal

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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:34 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Not effectively. Not in this day and age. This isn’t the 1800’s anymore. We need a standing army because people are less likely to fight now than they where 100 years ago. The times have changed and your ideology is stuck in the long dead past

People are less likely to fight bullshit wars. They will fight for good reason tho

No as in the majority of the US is physically unfit to fight
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Postby Genivaria » Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:34 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Genivaria wrote:I feel I should point out that contrary to popular belief the single greatest obstacle for anyone planning to occupy the continental United States is not American gun owners, it is the Pacific and Atlantic Oceans and the motherfucking United States Navy.

Like the saying goes Russia has winters and the US has oceans

That's why we can't ever let the Russians/Chinese take Alaska or we'll never dislodge them.

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Postby The Parkus Empire » Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:34 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:Not really. Egypt was heathen, but other heathens and actually the Jews themselves were portrayed as more depraved. Jews were in bondage and ordered by God to settle a specific place, but they complain bitterly many times and say they would rather have stayed in Egypt


Ancient Jews were huge whiners, really.

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Postby Genivaria » Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:34 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
Genivaria wrote:I'd rather sink their ships from afar then have to fight on our own ground and watch our cities burn for your romantic delusions.

You can still have a navy without a standing army, pal

No....no you can't.

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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:34 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Actually even in HOI4 a division that is hastily deployed might be so under-equipped and undermanned that while it might be in the field it's functionally useless.

Guerilla warfare is only really effective in combination with other standing forces, and you'd be wrong on the latter point.

No country could occupy us, it would be unbearable. We don't need standing armies. We have national guard (which includes armored units and special forces).

The national guard is a standing army. I don’t know what you have been smoking lately but god damn dude lay off it
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Postby Albrenia » Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:34 pm

The US is too powerful to invade and occupy anyway, even without the NRA folks and the nukes and reserves. Unfortunately none of it will save us when the inhabitants of Nibaru exterminate us in the coming war and all.

Or something.

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Postby Genivaria » Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:35 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
Ancient Jews were huge whiners, really.

"Are we there yet?"

"Shoulda used Map Quest."

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Postby Salus Maior » Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:35 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:You can still have a navy without a standing army, pal

"Standing militaries are dangerous unless they say they spend some of their time on boats =^^^)" - Parkus


I don't know, you can't really oppress the people and coup governments when all your resources are stuck to the ocean.

Not that I'm agreeing with Parkus on the whole standing army thing.
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