Right Wing Discussion Thread XI: It's Okay To Be Right

[Inetsograd Soviet]

If Korea reunites, would North Koreans become capitalist or will they still hold on to their Juche?

see: German reunification

There is no threat of Kim's position collapsing (yet) which is the main difference between here and Germany.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

definition of conquer

"To gain or acquire by force of arms"
What did they gain or acquire? They were defeated in 1945.

Uh, Korea? In 1910?

[Khonduz]

definition of conquer

"To gain or acquire by force of arms"
What did they gain or acquire? They were defeated in 1945.

With that logic you could say the Belgians aren't imperialist because they don't have their colonies anymore.

[Gim]

"To gain or acquire by force of arms"
What did they gain or acquire? They were defeated in 1945.

Uh, Korea? In 1910?

They were in a battle, yes, but Japan did not conquer. They didn't defeat the Korean independence fighters.

[Vyzhva]

see: German reunification

There is no threat of Kim's position collapsing (yet) which is the main difference between here and Germany.

Similar problems would have to be faced if the Koreas were to reunite, which is my point.

[Khonduz]

Uh, Korea? In 1910?

They were in a battle, yes, but Japan did not conquer. They didn't defeat the Korean independence fighters.

So Poland, Czechoslovakia and France weren't conquered because the Germans didn't defeat the independence fighters either?

[Vyzhva]

Uh, Korea? In 1910?

They were in a battle, yes, but Japan did not conquer. They didn't defeat the Korean independence fighters.

Neither did Nazi Germany defeat Norwegian, Polish, French, Yugoslav, etc. independence fighters.

By using that argument you are also implying Nazi Germany did not conquer.

ninja'd by Khonduz

[Gim]

They were in a battle, yes, but Japan did not conquer. They didn't defeat the Korean independence fighters.

So Poland, Czechoslovakia and France weren't conquered because the Germans didn't defeat the independence fighters either?

Nope. In fact, a decisive victory was made in the Battle of Verdun, liberating the French from a possible German invasion.

[Canadensia]

Uh, Korea? In 1910?

They were in a battle, yes, but Japan did not conquer. They didn't defeat the Korean independence fighters.

What of it?

The country itself was reduced to a protectorate, and later annexed entirely. It only regained its independence after the Japanese Empire was thoroughly dismantled by the Allies in WWII, during which Korean insurgents played an extremely minor role.

[Inetsograd Soviet]

So Poland, Czechoslovakia and France weren't conquered because the Germans didn't defeat the independence fighters either?

Nope. In fact, a decisive victory was made in the Battle of Verdun, liberating the French from a possible German invasion.

Yeah a battle from World War I sure managed to have severely delayed effects on the timeline 28 years after

[Vyzhva]

So Poland, Czechoslovakia and France weren't conquered because the Germans didn't defeat the independence fighters either?

Nope. In fact, a decisive victory was made in the Battle of Verdun, liberating the French from a possible German invasion.

no such thing as the battle of verdun during ww2

sorry mate

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Occupations are not necessarily permanent.

They didn't occupy; they were met with resistance, and they didn't dissolve the Korean goverment.

They did dissolve it, and they did occupy it.

Uh, Korea? In 1910?

They were in a battle, yes, but Japan did not conquer. They didn't defeat the Korean independence fighters.

There wasn't a fucking battle, Japan diplomatically annexed Korea then occupied and colonized it.

[Gim]

They were in a battle, yes, but Japan did not conquer. They didn't defeat the Korean independence fighters.

What of it?

The country itself was reduced to a protectorate, and later annexed entirely. It only regained its independence after the Japanese Empire was thoroughly dismantled by the Allies in WWII, during which Korean insurgents played an extremely minor role.

Well, the fact of the matter is that Japanese can proclaim whatever it wants, but whatever it proclaims is not entirely true. Why would that be true, if they haven't conquered the nation, eradicating the resistance by the Independence Fighters?

[Gim]

They did dissolve it, and they did occupy it.

There wasn't a fucking battle, Japan diplomatically annexed Korea then occupied and colonized it.

Yes, there was resistance by the Independence Fighters. Sorry to break the truth to you, though.

[Ardavia]

the Koreans did very little of it

Actually, they've done a great deal.

Like what?

The Korean resistance movements that existed weren't particularly large (the Korean Liberation Army consisted of a few hundred people, and the Korean Volunteer Army of about 2500 in September 1945), and very few of them actually fought the Japanese in Korea: most of them fought with Chinese forces in China, and only returned to Korea after 1945 when the Japanese had already been expelled.

Americans were Korea's ally. They contributed to the effort.

America contributed to the effort

If by "contributed" you mean "basically carried the war effort", sure.

Bullshit they weren't successful. They conquered China and Korea, and a bunch of little islands nobody cares about.

Just because they stepped into the territory of Korea and China doesn't mean they conquered them. There is marked difference.
Little islands? You mean the ones they've been just putting pen to map and claiming it as their own?

China wasn't conquered, no, that's true: continued large-scale resistance continued until 1945 and half the country remained under the control of the local government.

but Korea? The peninsula was straight-up annexed into the Empire for 35 years, and the Korean "resistance" amounted to a few thousand expatriate Koreans in China who only returned after 1945 when the Japanese were already gone.

[Painisia]

I wonder why WW1 isn't as much talked as WW2? Battlefield 1 seemed to have boosted WW1`s popularity, but WW2 is still dominating History Channel and National Geographic

[Inetsograd Soviet]

What of it?

The country itself was reduced to a protectorate, and later annexed entirely. It only regained its independence after the Japanese Empire was thoroughly dismantled by the Allies in WWII, during which Korean insurgents played an extremely minor role.

Well, the fact of the matter is that Japanese can proclaim whatever it wants, but whatever it proclaims is not entirely true. Why would that be true, if they haven't conquered the nation, eradicating the resistance by the Independence Fighters?

You might want to think for a bit why they were called "independence fighters" in the first place, surely it must have something to do with said independence not being there anymore

[Inetsograd Soviet]

I wonder why WW1 isn't as much talked as WW2? Battlefield 1 seemed to have boosted WW1`s popularity, but WW2 is still dominating History Channel and National Geographic

the trenches stereotype and no genocidal dictator to laugh at

[Gim]

Like what?

The Korean resistance movements that existed weren't particularly large (the Korean Liberation Army consisted of a few hundred people, and the Korean Volunteer Army of about 2500 in September 1945), and very few of them actually fought the Japanese in Korea: most of them fought with Chinese forces in China, and only returned to Korea after 1945 when the Japanese had already been expelled.

What about the efforts of the Joseon Army? They were different from the Independence Fighters and contributed to the effort.

If by "contributed" you mean "basically carried the war effort", sure.

No, you're wrong.

China wasn't conquered, no, that's true: continued large-scale resistance continued until 1945 and half the country remained under the control of the local government.

Same with Korea with their Independence Fighters. They fought for thirty-five years, despite Japanese attempts to conquer.

[Tesernia]

So Poland, Czechoslovakia and France weren't conquered because the Germans didn't defeat the independence fighters either?

Nope. In fact, a decisive victory was made in the Battle of Verdun, liberating the French from a possible German invasion.

The last time in history that a bait this obvious existed, the Imperial Japanese Navy attacked Pearl fucking Harbor.

[Gim]

Nope. In fact, a decisive victory was made in the Battle of Verdun, liberating the French from a possible German invasion.

The last time in history that a bait this obvious existed, the Imperial Japanese Navy attacked Pearl fucking Harbor.

Yes, so the logic is the Japanese attacked but never conquered? Same with Korea.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

What of it?

The country itself was reduced to a protectorate, and later annexed entirely. It only regained its independence after the Japanese Empire was thoroughly dismantled by the Allies in WWII, during which Korean insurgents played an extremely minor role.

Well, the fact of the matter is that Japanese can proclaim whatever it wants, but whatever it proclaims is not entirely true. Why would that be true, if they haven't conquered the nation, eradicating the resistance by the Independence Fighters?

The resistance didn't start fighting until 1919, none years after occupation began.

They did dissolve it, and they did occupy it.

There wasn't a fucking battle, Japan diplomatically annexed Korea then occupied and colonized it.

Yes, there was resistance by the Independence Fighters. Sorry to break the truth to you, though.

Nine years after annexation.

[Canadensia]

What of it?

The country itself was reduced to a protectorate, and later annexed entirely. It only regained its independence after the Japanese Empire was thoroughly dismantled by the Allies in WWII, during which Korean insurgents played an extremely minor role.

Well, the fact of the matter is that Japanese can proclaim whatever it wants, but whatever it proclaims is not entirely true. Why would that be true, if they haven't conquered the nation, eradicating the resistance by the Independence Fighters?

They did conquer the nation though.

In fact, they diplomatically annexed it, with only minor resistance in the form of guerrilla fighters. The presence or lack thereof of insurgents is utterly irrelevant to whether or not a nation has lost its independence. The simple fact they're insurgents, and not regular army, is generally indicative of the fact a nation is no longer independent.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

The last time in history that a bait this obvious existed, the Imperial Japanese Navy attacked Pearl fucking Harbor.

Yes, so the logic is the Japanese attacked but never conquered? Same with Korea.

No it isn't. In fact, the logic is the exact opposite; Japan occupied Korea without fighting.

[Gim]

The resistance didn't start fighting until 1919, none years after occupation began.

Joseon Army existed, too. The resistance didn't happen until 1919 from the Independence Fighters, but the Joseon army began fighting since before that.

Nine years after annexation.

No.