Right Wing Discussion Thread XI: It's Okay To Be Right

[Pilarcraft]

Gim apparently founds his argument on the basis that Korea can never truly be subjugated in any form

inetsograd Soviet apparently found his argument on the basis that Japan can conquer powerful nations and deem itself "imperialist". Come on, dude, you're better than that.

1- The capital of China's nationalist government during the Second Sino-Japanese war was Nanking, and then Peking (Beijing).
2- Japan was literally an Empire during the early twentieth century. That necessitates imperialism. And, yes. Japan's invasions of Korea and China were acts of Imperialism. Why is this under debate?

[The East Marches II]

Gim apparently founds his argument on the basis that Korea can never truly be subjugated in any form

inetsograd Soviet apparently found his argument on the basis that Japan can conquer powerful nations and deem itself "imperialist". Come on, dude, you're better than that.

Anon please, Korea was a back water in 1910. It certainly was quite imperialist thinking it would "help" the Koreans.

[Ardavia]

What timeline are you from

Beijing's conquered. That's China's central hub and capital city.

do you live in hearts of iron or something
because in real life there isn't a magical "i win" button in the capital city to press that automatically makes the defender lose, y'know


also the idea that Korea wasn't under Japanese control solely because of some guerrillas making themselves a nuisance to the Japanese government is pretty ridiculous by itself
but it reaches straight-up doublethink levels given your insistence that China was fully controlled by the Japanese despite the fact that major conventional fighting between Chinese forces and the Japanese occupying armies continued until 1945

[Tesernia]

inetsograd Soviet apparently found his argument on the basis that Japan can conquer powerful nations and deem itself "imperialist". Come on, dude, you're better than that.

1- The capital of China's nationalist government during the Second Sino-Japanese war was Nanking, and then Peking (Beijing).
2- Japan was literally an Empire during the early twentieth century. That necessitates imperialism. And, yes. Japan's invasions of Korea and China were acts of Imperialism. Why is this under debate?

Ah, but it was all about Greater East Asian Co-Prosperity and nothing that says it wants to bring prosperity to someone else would ever actually have some kind of imperialist ambition to trample all over other countries, right?

[Chkalovsk II]

I don't know how is it possible to deny that the people you are apologizing for have actually called that period "occupation by imperialists"

So, once Japanese just even steps into the territory of a nation, that nation is conquered? Both were in battle, and it's clear, in 1945, Korea became independent after long years of fighting.

In which universe? It was occupied by the Soviet Civil Administration (USSR) the North, and the Army Military Government in Korea (USA) in the South, until 1948.

[Gigaverse]

What timeline are you from

Beijing's conquered. That's China's central hub and capital city.

Seoul was never conquered because it didn't exist.

Hanseong flew into the sky and was remade by God into Seoul before being reinstalled on Earth after the victory of the Korean resistance.

[Khonduz]

What timeline are you from

Beijing's conquered. That's China's central hub and capital city.

A state simply just doesn't "cease to exist" once you capture their capital city.

Unlike Korea which was wholly conquered by the Japanese save for the "freedom fighters" you mentioned earlier, a large amount of China was still under Chinese control with the provisional capital in Chongqing.

[Ardavia]

I don't know how is it possible to deny that the people you are apologizing for have actually called that period "occupation by imperialists"

So, once Japanese just even steps into the territory of a nation, that nation is conquered? Both were in battle, and it's clear, in 1945, Korea became independent after long years of fighting.

there were indeed long years of fighting and Korea was indeed liberated by the end of them

the Koreans did very little of it

it was the Americans breaking Japan's military power and forcing it to relinquish its conquered territories following the Japanese surrender in 1945 that liberated Korea, not heroic Korean resistance fighters kicking the Japanese out or whatever you're imagining

[Inetsograd Soviet]

So, once Japanese just even steps into the territory of a nation, that nation is conquered? Both were in battle, and it's clear, in 1945, Korea became independent after long years of fighting.

there were indeed long years of fighting and Korea was indeed liberated by the end of them

the Koreans did very little of it

it was the Americans breaking Japan's military power and forcing it to relinquish its conquered territories following the Japanese surrender in 1945 that liberated Korea, not heroic Korean resistance fighters kicking the Japanese out or whatever you're imagining

korean versions of exaggerated chinese war shows would be intriguing to say the least

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Beijing's conquered. That's China's central hub and capital city.

do you live in hearts of iron or something
because in real life there isn't a magical "i win" button in the capital city to press that automatically makes the defender lose, y'know


also the idea that Korea wasn't under Japanese control solely because of some guerrillas making themselves a nuisance to the Japanese government is pretty ridiculous by itself
but it reaches straight-up doublethink levels given your insistence that China was fully controlled by the Japanese despite the fact that major conventional fighting between Chinese forces and the Japanese occupying armies continued until 1945

Ah, but it was Korean freedom fighters who tied up thousands of IJA troops, preventing them from fighting the US.

Except the Pacific was mostly a sea war.

And all of this ultimately does not refute the fact that Japan in this era was Imperialist.
This entire debate is fucking ludicrous.

[Gim]

do you live in hearts of iron or something
because in real life there isn't a magical "i win" button in the capital city to press that automatically makes the defender lose, y'know


also the idea that Korea wasn't under Japanese control solely because of some guerrillas making themselves a nuisance to the Japanese government is pretty ridiculous by itself
but it reaches straight-up doublethink levels given your insistence that China was fully controlled by the Japanese despite the fact that major conventional fighting between Chinese forces and the Japanese occupying armies continued until 1945

Ah, but it was Korean freedom fighters who tied up thousands of IJA troops, preventing them from fighting the US.

Except the Pacific was mostly a sea war.

And all of this ultimately does not refute the fact that Japan in this era was Imperialist.
This entire debate is fucking ludicrous.

Yes, but they were never successful.

[Pilarcraft]

Ah, but it was Korean freedom fighters who tied up thousands of IJA troops, preventing them from fighting the US.

Except the Pacific was mostly a sea war.

And all of this ultimately does not refute the fact that Japan in this era was Imperialist.
This entire debate is fucking ludicrous.

Yes, but they were never successful.

Who bloody cares?
You don't need to be successful in your Imperialism to be considered an Imperialist lmao

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Ah, but it was Korean freedom fighters who tied up thousands of IJA troops, preventing them from fighting the US.

Except the Pacific was mostly a sea war.

And all of this ultimately does not refute the fact that Japan in this era was Imperialist.
This entire debate is fucking ludicrous.

Yes, but they were never successful.

Bullshit they weren't successful. They conquered China and Korea, and a bunch of little islands nobody cares about.

[Gim]

Yes, but they were never successful.

Bullshit they weren't successful. They conquered China and Korea, and a bunch of little islands nobody cares about.

Just because they stepped into the territory of Korea and China doesn't mean they conquered them. There is marked difference.
Little islands? You mean the ones they've been just putting pen to map and claiming it as their own?

[Gim]

the Koreans did very little of it

Actually, they've done a great deal.

it was the Americans breaking Japan's military power and forcing it to relinquish its conquered territories following the Japanese surrender in 1945 that liberated Korea, not heroic Korean resistance fighters kicking the Japanese out or whatever you're imagining

Americans were Korea's ally. They contributed to the effort.

[Vyzhva]

Bullshit they weren't successful. They conquered China and Korea, and a bunch of little islands nobody cares about.

Just because they stepped into the territory of Korea and China doesn't mean they conquered them. There is marked difference.
Little islands? You mean the ones they've been just putting pen to map and claiming it as their own?

definition of conquer

[Gim]

Just because they stepped into the territory of Korea and China doesn't mean they conquered them. There is marked difference.
Little islands? You mean the ones they've been just putting pen to map and claiming it as their own?

definition of conquer

"To gain or acquire by force of arms"
What did they gain or acquire? They were defeated in 1945.

[Tesernia]

the Koreans did very little of it

Actually, they've done a great deal.

it was the Americans breaking Japan's military power and forcing it to relinquish its conquered territories following the Japanese surrender in 1945 that liberated Korea, not heroic Korean resistance fighters kicking the Japanese out or whatever you're imagining

Americans were Korea's ally. They contributed to the effort.

>America was Korea's ally
>America contributed to the war effort

Yeah, mate. I totally agree. It also was the heroic efforts of the resistance fighters of the Free City of Danzig, with some minor assistance by their Soviet allies, that broke the back of the terrifying behemoth that was the Nazi warmachine.

[Painisia]

If Korea reunites, would North Koreans become capitalist or will they still hold on to their Juche?

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Bullshit they weren't successful. They conquered China and Korea, and a bunch of little islands nobody cares about.

Just because they stepped into the territory of Korea and China doesn't mean they conquered them. There is marked difference.

They literally conquered them. If they didn't then there wouldn't be a Korean resistance in the first place, there would be an actual army.

the Koreans did very little of it

Actually, they've done a great deal.

it was the Americans breaking Japan's military power and forcing it to relinquish its conquered territories following the Japanese surrender in 1945 that liberated Korea, not heroic Korean resistance fighters kicking the Japanese out or whatever you're imagining

Americans were Korea's ally. They contributed to the effort.

The US destroyed the Empire of Japan and liberated the southern half of Korea. They did more than "contribute".

[Vyzhva]

definition of conquer

"To gain or acquire by force of arms"
What did they gain or acquire? They were defeated in 1945.

Occupations are not necessarily permanent.

[Gim]

Actually, they've done a great deal.



Americans were Korea's ally. They contributed to the effort.

>America was Korea's ally
>America contributed to the war effort

Yeah, mate. I totally agree. It also was the heroic efforts of the resistance fighters of the Free City of Danzig, with some minor assistance by their Soviet allies, that broke the back of the terrifying behemoth that was the Nazi warmachine.

Yeah, could be, but Soviet and Nazis are not related to the Korean efforts to drive out the Japanese.

[Gim]

"To gain or acquire by force of arms"
What did they gain or acquire? They were defeated in 1945.

Occupations are not necessarily permanent.

They didn't occupy; they were met with resistance, and they didn't dissolve the Korean goverment.

[Vyzhva]

If Korea reunites, would North Koreans become capitalist or will they still hold on to their Juche?

see: German reunification

[Inetsograd Soviet]

If Korea reunites, would North Koreans become capitalist or will they still hold on to their Juche?

We're jumping too fast here, but if it does happen I'd imagine they'd go for the one country two systems model. The divergent development will take quite a while to actually rejoin.