Right Wing Discussion Thread XI: It's Okay To Be Right

[Ceolophysia]

> implying the government not having enough money for their excessive spending is a bad thing

We do need a more responsible federal ( and state ) budgets - but what we don't need is ideology getting in the way of what is simply practical.

In all seriousness, I think the best solution to cut government spending would be to start gradually cutting off certain government social programs by closing them off to new recipients, and possibly abolish certain government agencies such as the Department of Housing and Urban Development.

[New Emeline]

We do need a more responsible federal ( and state ) budgets - but what we don't need is ideology getting in the way of what is simply practical.

In all seriousness, I think the best solution would be to start gradually cutting off certain government social programs by closing them off to new recipients. Possibly abolish certain government agencies such as the Department of Housing and Urban Development.

or we could just funnel everything we have into space programs

[Republic of the Cristo]

Than the recession is intensified even further. The United States government will be spending around 4 trillion dollars this year, making it the worlds largest spender ( more than any company, nation, or individual ). The United States Governments employs upward 22 million people across the world, making it by far the largest employers in the nation ( one of the largest in the world, topped out only by China ). The United States also spends about 20 billion a year on agricultural subsidies, and close 100 billion a year in corporate subsidies.

This nation turns because of government expenditures - and you just want it to suddenly and dramatically shrink every time a recession hits? Not only would this be impossible to implement, as nobody but absolute extremists would go for this, but it would completely collapse the US Global economy after the first recession.

It's not feasible, to put it mildly.

The Federal government spends far beyond its Constitutional limits, all that should stop

As per it's limits outlined in 1787. In the 242 years since then, the needs our nation have exceeded many of our founding fathers expectations - including the need for income. Expecting that unforeseen needs will arise in the future, our founding fathers provided a means by which to change the constitution, or to modify it for the needs of the era.

In this era, for now, we need large government expenditures. Our current model is decadent and needs serious fixing - but we can't just turn the clock back to 1787.

[The Parkus Empire]

We do need a more responsible federal ( and state ) budgets - but what we don't need is ideology getting in the way of what is simply practical.

In all seriousness, I think the best solution would be to start gradually cutting off certain government social programs by closing them off to new recipients. Possibly abolish certain government agencies such as the Department of Housing and Urban Development.

Scrap everything not explicitly covered by the Constitution, it's illegal. Then gut the Department of Offense like a raw fish.

[The Parkus Empire]

The Federal government spends far beyond its Constitutional limits, all that should stop

As per it's limits outlined in 1787. In the 242 years since then, the needs our nation have exceeded many of our founding fathers expectations - including the need for income. Expecting that unforeseen needs will arise in the future, our founding fathers provided a means by which to change the constitution, or to modify it for the needs of the era.

In this era, for now, we need large government expenditures. Our current model is decadent and needs serious fixing - but we can't just turn the clock back to 1787.

Amend the Constitution where it's inadequate

[New Emeline]

As per it's limits outlined in 1787. In the 242 years since then, the needs our nation have exceeded many of our founding fathers expectations - including the need for income. Expecting that unforeseen needs will arise in the future, our founding fathers provided a means by which to change the constitution, or to modify it for the needs of the era.

In this era, for now, we need large government expenditures. Our current model is decadent and needs serious fixing - but we can't just turn the clock back to 1787.

Amend the Constitution where it's inadequate

I thought you didn't like changing the Constitution

[Ceolophysia]

Scrap everything not explicitly covered by the Constitution, it's illegal. Then gut the Department of Offense like a raw fish.

No. There are some other things the government does now that I actually think we should keep.

In all seriousness, I think the best solution would be to start gradually cutting off certain government social programs by closing them off to new recipients. Possibly abolish certain government agencies such as the Department of Housing and Urban Development.

or we could just funnel everything we have into space programs

Or that, yes.

[Republic of the Cristo]

In all seriousness, I think the best solution would be to start gradually cutting off certain government social programs by closing them off to new recipients. Possibly abolish certain government agencies such as the Department of Housing and Urban Development.

or we could just funnel everything we have into space programs

A pipe dream. It's a nice thought that all our material needs can be provided for from the stars - but that's all it is: just a thought. To date, the most advanced and cost efficient rocket in existence which can breach the surface of Earth's atmosphere is the Falcon Heavy Rocket. It cost 90 million dollars to make ( production costs alone, never mind all other mass expenses ). Gathering material from space is not currently economically viable, nor technologically possible at the moment. Perhaps in future generations it will be, but even this is an unknown.

The best policy is to keep 11 eggs on on Earth, and 1 out in space - just in case.

[The Parkus Empire]

Amend the Constitution where it's inadequate

I thought you didn't like changing the Constitution

I don't mind changing it through amendment, I just don't like changing it through new interpretations

[New Emeline]

Scrap everything not explicitly covered by the Constitution, it's illegal. Then gut the Department of Offense like a raw fish.

No. There are some other things the government does now that I actually think we should keep.

or we could just funnel everything we have into space programs

Or that, yes.

space colonization is my hill and i'm dying on it

[New Emeline]

or we could just funnel everything we have into space programs

A pipe dream. It's a nice thought that all our material needs can be provided for from the stars - but that's all it is: just a thought. To date, the most advanced and cost efficient rocket in existence which can breach the surface of Earth's atmosphere is the Falcon Heavy Rocket. It cost 90 million dollars to make ( production costs alone, never mind all other mass expenses ). Gathering material from space is not currently economically viable, nor technologically possible at the moment. Perhaps in future generations it will be, but even this is an unknown.

The best policy is to keep 11 eggs on on Earth, and 1 out in space - just in case.

Earth won't make a great nest if we keep heading towards the direction we're going

[Republic of the Cristo]

As per it's limits outlined in 1787. In the 242 years since then, the needs our nation have exceeded many of our founding fathers expectations - including the need for income. Expecting that unforeseen needs will arise in the future, our founding fathers provided a means by which to change the constitution, or to modify it for the needs of the era.

In this era, for now, we need large government expenditures. Our current model is decadent and needs serious fixing - but we can't just turn the clock back to 1787.

Amend the Constitution where it's inadequate

Easier said than done.

The nation does not have the luxury of time - nor sadly, the patience - for such arduous matters. Often, the most necessary of actions are those which require the most immediate responses.

There was no provision in the constitution for Jefferson to purchase Louisiana, and yet he chose to graft that power - as it was necessary. With the turbulent tides of revolutionary France, Napoleon could have been out of office that next week. Jefferson didn't have time for a constitutional convention.

And just consider the current state of American society. With the advent of mass media, we are an incredibly divided and vehement people. We seldom agree upon anything with outsiders from other groups. If our government depended upon a 3/4ths of all states reaching a simultaneous consensus on every matter of importance, we would still be debating weather or not to buy Louisiana off the French.

[Republic of the Cristo]

A pipe dream. It's a nice thought that all our material needs can be provided for from the stars - but that's all it is: just a thought. To date, the most advanced and cost efficient rocket in existence which can breach the surface of Earth's atmosphere is the Falcon Heavy Rocket. It cost 90 million dollars to make ( production costs alone, never mind all other mass expenses ). Gathering material from space is not currently economically viable, nor technologically possible at the moment. Perhaps in future generations it will be, but even this is an unknown.

The best policy is to keep 11 eggs on on Earth, and 1 out in space - just in case.

Earth won't make a great nest if we keep heading towards the direction we're going

Exactly, so let's start treating it better.

Because, as far as we known, this is the only nest in the entire universe.

[New Emeline]

Earth won't make a great nest if we keep heading towards the direction we're going

Exactly, so let's start treating it better.

Because, as far as we known, this is the only nest in the entire universe.

True. But as long as exploitation of natural resources and destruction of the Earth remains profitable, it will continue.

[The Parkus Empire]

Amend the Constitution where it's inadequate

Easier said than done.

The nation does not have the luxury of time - nor sadly, the patience - for such arduous matters. Often, the most necessary of actions are those which require the most immediate responses.

There was no provision in the constitution for Jefferson to purchase Louisiana, and yet he chose to graft that power - as it was necessary. With the turbulent tides of revolutionary France, Napoleon could have been out of office that next week. Jefferson didn't have time for a constitutional convention.

And just consider the current state of American society. With the advent of mass media, we are an incredibly divided and vehement people. We seldom agree upon anything with outsiders from other groups. If our government depended upon a 3/4ths of all states reaching a simultaneous consensus on every matter of importance, we would still be debating weather or not to buy Louisiana off the French.

The Louisiana Purchase was morally bankrupt, Jefferson knew that land belonged to the Indians. The Federalists were right to oppose it.

The Federal government doesn't need to Amend for every action, it only needs to for authority beyond the Constitution. Most government matters should be handled by the States, NOT the Federal government

[Cekoviu]

Earth won't make a great nest if we keep heading towards the direction we're going

Exactly, so let's start treating it better.

Because, as far as we known, this is the only nest in the entire universe.

Mars.

[New Emeline]

Exactly, so let's start treating it better.

Because, as far as we known, this is the only nest in the entire universe.

Mars.

we can't terraform yet m80

[Republic of the Cristo]

Exactly, so let's start treating it better.

Because, as far as we known, this is the only nest in the entire universe.

True. But as long as exploitation of natural resources and destruction of the Earth remains profitable, it will continue.

We need to make it more manageable.

Im not saying that we can stop exploitation of the environment ( that's kind of how our species survives ) - but we can do so at far more sustainable levels than what we currently do.

[The Parkus Empire]

If we ever find another planet like earth, and we wanted to colonize it, I would hope nothing too smarts lives their, because it would suffer a horrible fate

[New Emeline]

If we ever find another planet like earth, and we wanted to colonize it, I would hope nothing too smarts lives their, because it would suffer a horrible fate

or we would

[Conserative Morality]

Alex Jones' wisdom in song form.

[Republic of the Cristo]

Easier said than done.

The nation does not have the luxury of time - nor sadly, the patience - for such arduous matters. Often, the most necessary of actions are those which require the most immediate responses.

There was no provision in the constitution for Jefferson to purchase Louisiana, and yet he chose to graft that power - as it was necessary. With the turbulent tides of revolutionary France, Napoleon could have been out of office that next week. Jefferson didn't have time for a constitutional convention.

And just consider the current state of American society. With the advent of mass media, we are an incredibly divided and vehement people. We seldom agree upon anything with outsiders from other groups. If our government depended upon a 3/4ths of all states reaching a simultaneous consensus on every matter of importance, we would still be debating weather or not to buy Louisiana off the French.

The Louisiana Purchase was morally bankrupt, Jefferson knew that land belonged to the Indians. The Federalists were right to oppose it.

The Federal government doesn't need to Amend for every action, it only needs to for authority beyond the Constitution. Most government matters should be handled by the States, NOT the Federal government

Most matters are handled by the states. Most regulations, taxes, investigations, elections, expenditures, etc. are done at the state level. Most peoples interactions with the government throughout their lives ( here in America ) will be with state and local government.

There are certain matters, which transcend our local communities and become something of a national subject. You might not have liked the Louisiana purchase, but I dare say that if their existed national polls back in 1803 - most Americans did. Jefferson did what he thought was necessary for an expanding American nation; his swift actions would prove intrinsic to the success and prosperity of the United States throughout the rest of it's history.

The constitution has it's practical limits. It is, after all, just a piece of paper. It is a fine guide to civil governance, but were it shortfalls - our leaders must not falter. Pragmatism is key in good governance - just as much as morality.

[Republic of the Cristo]

Exactly, so let's start treating it better.

Because, as far as we known, this is the only nest in the entire universe.

Mars.

Get back to me when we can synthetically create organic material out of inorganic chemicals.

Edit: on a scale large enough to facilitate life. I forgot, scientists can make hydrocarbon compounds in secure environments.

[The Parkus Empire]

If we ever find another planet like earth, and we wanted to colonize it, I would hope nothing too smarts lives their, because it would suffer a horrible fate

or we would

They'd probably find us first in that case, and being disgusted by our pinko ways, they would give us free atmosphere rides

[Reikoku]

Alex Jones' wisdom in song form.

We need to crowdfund an Info Wars anime.