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What stance do you take on immigration?

1 - Full open borders. Sweden's Feminist Initiative model. Which involves doing all one can to prevent deportation of even alien criminal elements as they remain the responsibility of the country they find themselves in.
52
6%
2 - Full open borders with border security, checks and potential for deportation of harsher criminal immigrant elements. Multicultural model.
126
15%
3 - Full open borders with border security, checks and potential for deportation of harsher criminal immigrant elements. Melting-pot model.
176
22%
4 - Limited open borders that sets priories solely on the nations labour requirements.
72
9%
5 - Limited open borders that prioritises only high skilled labour. Multicultural model.
35
4%
6 - Limited open borders that prioritises only high skilled labour. Melting-pot model.
204
25%
7 - Closed borders. Only temporary green-cards, tourism and visas. No other forms of citizenship.
76
9%
8 - Fully closed borders.
36
4%
9 - Fully closed borders. No legal emigration.
39
5%
 
Total votes : 816

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Postby Cekoviu » Fri Apr 27, 2018 6:23 pm

Northeast American Federation wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:So?

So he doesn't like government, apparently.

I don't like expansion of government spending towards nonvital welfare programs when we're already loaded up on deficits and unfunded liabilities.

Solution: stop spending money on providing government to people.
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Postby The East Marches II » Fri Apr 27, 2018 6:23 pm

The Liberated Territories wrote:
God Tere Norld wrote:Fellow libertarian right-ers unite!


we do not unite

we go our separate ways mostly, occasionally teaming up when it is profitable to do so


Using we is a mistake. I've more claim to being libertarian than you do

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Postby Northeast American Federation » Fri Apr 27, 2018 6:24 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
Northeast American Federation wrote:So he doesn't like government, apparently.

I don't like expansion of government spending towards nonvital welfare programs when we're already loaded up on deficits and unfunded liabilities.

It's a loan, not spending

Well the funds for a loan don't just materialize from thin air. Disbursement of the loan would be a form of spending. Sure, it would hopefully be reimbursed by the person/people who took the loan, but it's still spending.
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Fri Apr 27, 2018 6:25 pm

The East Marches II wrote:
The Liberated Territories wrote:
we do not unite

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Using we is a mistake. I've more claim to being libertarian than you do


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Postby The Parkus Empire » Fri Apr 27, 2018 6:25 pm

The East Marches II wrote:
The Liberated Territories wrote:
we do not unite

we go our separate ways mostly, occasionally teaming up when it is profitable to do so


Using we is a mistake. I've more claim to being libertarian than you do

This I would concur with, at least if "libertarian" is intended to mean early American liberty-ism
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Postby Reikoku » Fri Apr 27, 2018 6:25 pm

The East Marches II wrote:
The Liberated Territories wrote:
we do not unite

we go our separate ways mostly, occasionally teaming up when it is profitable to do so


Using we is a mistake. I've more claim to being libertarian than you do


Oh please, you would sell Hoppe out for thirty pieces of silver.

I, on the other hand, would do it for five.

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Postby The East Marches II » Fri Apr 27, 2018 6:26 pm

The Liberated Territories wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
Using we is a mistake. I've more claim to being libertarian than you do


The democrats want you back. They need useful working class people to vote for the Hill-dawg


They need you to vote for open borders and the expropriation of property to pay for this so called market efficiency! Herr Hoppe was right :^]

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Postby The Parkus Empire » Fri Apr 27, 2018 6:27 pm

Northeast American Federation wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:It's a loan, not spending

Well the funds for a loan don't just materialize from thin air. Disbursement of the loan would be a form of spending. Sure, it would hopefully be reimbursed by the person/people who took the loan, but it's still spending.

That's correct. Here in California, the program would be absolutely out of the question until we got our house in order.
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Postby The East Marches II » Fri Apr 27, 2018 6:27 pm

Reikoku wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
Using we is a mistake. I've more claim to being libertarian than you do


Oh please, you would sell Hoppe out for thirty pieces of silver.

I, on the other hand, would do it for five.


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Postby The Liberated Territories » Fri Apr 27, 2018 6:28 pm

The East Marches II wrote:
The Liberated Territories wrote:
The democrats want you back. They need useful working class people to vote for the Hill-dawg


They need you to vote for open borders and the expropriation of property to pay for this so called market efficiency! Herr Hoppe was right :^]


No if I wanted to expropriate property, I'd vote Republican so more houses would be destroyed for both the Keystone Pipeline and the border wall. Don't you know anything?
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Postby Northeast American Federation » Fri Apr 27, 2018 6:28 pm

The East Marches II wrote:
The Liberated Territories wrote:
The democrats want you back. They need useful working class people to vote for the Hill-dawg


They need you to vote for open borders and the expropriation of property to pay for this so called market efficiency! Herr Hoppe was right :^]

Well, if you don't support wide open borders and unlimited migration, you're not a real libertarian.

The Parkus Empire wrote:
Northeast American Federation wrote:Well the funds for a loan don't just materialize from thin air. Disbursement of the loan would be a form of spending. Sure, it would hopefully be reimbursed by the person/people who took the loan, but it's still spending.

That's correct. Here in California, the program would be absolutely out of the question until we got our house in order.

I wouldn't hold your breath on that.
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Postby The East Marches II » Fri Apr 27, 2018 6:28 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
Using we is a mistake. I've more claim to being libertarian than you do

This I would concur with, at least if "libertarian" is intended to mean early American liberty-ism


It is but alas liberty these days means something else entirely, as exemplified by our dear friend

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Postby The East Marches II » Fri Apr 27, 2018 6:30 pm

The Liberated Territories wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
They need you to vote for open borders and the expropriation of property to pay for this so called market efficiency! Herr Hoppe was right :^]


No if I wanted to expropriate property, I'd vote Republican so more houses would be destroyed for both the Keystone Pipeline and the border wall. Don't you know anything?


I thought you'd be all for that, trampling on property for the greater good is your MO! But please go advocate murder and revolution elsewhere, your Jacobinism grows old.

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Postby The Liberated Territories » Fri Apr 27, 2018 6:32 pm

The East Marches II wrote:
The Liberated Territories wrote:
No if I wanted to expropriate property, I'd vote Republican so more houses would be destroyed for both the Keystone Pipeline and the border wall. Don't you know anything?


I thought you'd be all for that, trampling on property for the greater good is your MO! But please go advocate murder and revolution elsewhere, your Jacobinism grows old.


Sorry famalam if I wanted to advocate murder I'd unironically shill for Pinochet whilst calling myself "libertarian."
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Postby Bienenhalde » Fri Apr 27, 2018 6:32 pm

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Benuty wrote:Daily reminder protestants stopped being protestants the moment they reconciled with Catholicism and stopped trying to kill them.

Another daily reminder that true Catholicism hasn't existed since they failed to reunify the faith, and exterminate all protestants down to a minority.

Non-denominationalism ftw. Reunify the faith by removing all organization. :^)


That is borderline heresy. Organization and hierarchy is a key aspect of traditional Christianity. And Christianity is being re-unified - through ecumenicalism.

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Postby Reikoku » Fri Apr 27, 2018 6:33 pm

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Ceolophysia wrote:Non-denominationalism ftw. Reunify the faith by removing all organization. :^)


That is borderline heresy. Organization and hierarchy is a key aspect of traditional Christianity. And Christianity is being re-unified - through ecumenicalism.


Aren't you a Lutheran? It seems rather ironic if you are.

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Postby The Parkus Empire » Fri Apr 27, 2018 6:34 pm

The East Marches II wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:This I would concur with, at least if "libertarian" is intended to mean early American liberty-ism


It is but alas liberty these days means something else entirely, as exemplified by our dear friend

That's why I said land is connected to it. When property's primary political existence is in the form of shares and accounts, Lady Liberty turns into Miley Cyrus
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Postby The East Marches II » Fri Apr 27, 2018 6:35 pm

The Liberated Territories wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
I thought you'd be all for that, trampling on property for the greater good is your MO! But please go advocate murder and revolution elsewhere, your Jacobinism grows old.


Sorry famalam if I wanted to advocate murder I'd unironically shill for Pinochet whilst calling myself "libertarian."


I distinctly remember you crying for blood in a previous incarnation of this thread. The blood of tyrants, revolutions left unfinished. For all my faults, I've never advocated for such a terror and banditry as you. You are a crypto-Bolshevist and certainly no friend of liberty or property.

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Postby The Liberated Territories » Fri Apr 27, 2018 6:40 pm

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The Liberated Territories wrote:
Sorry famalam if I wanted to advocate murder I'd unironically shill for Pinochet whilst calling myself "libertarian."


I distinctly remember you crying for blood in a previous incarnation of this thread. The blood of tyrants, revolutions left unfinished. For all my faults, I've never advocated for such a terror and banditry as you. You are a crypto-Bolshevist and certainly no friend of liberty or property.


My friend, there is a world of a difference in disposing of a tyrant and murdering innocent people for their political views. McCarthyists like you are all too willing use violence against your perceived communist menace, even at the expense of people's rights.
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Postby Ceolophysia » Fri Apr 27, 2018 6:41 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
Ceolophysia wrote:Still government.

So?

We need less government, not more. Also, the government giving out loans is quite risky and can cause crises, as evident by the issue of student loans.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Fri Apr 27, 2018 6:41 pm

tbh I'm the only true defender of property in this thread.
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Postby Reikoku » Fri Apr 27, 2018 6:42 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:tbh I'm the only true defender of property in this thread.


No, you're literally Lenin, at least according to Parkus.

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Postby Genivaria » Fri Apr 27, 2018 6:42 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:tbh I'm the only true defender of property in this thread.

I unashamedly consider property to be a secondary concern.

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Postby Genivaria » Fri Apr 27, 2018 6:43 pm

Reikoku wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:tbh I'm the only true defender of property in this thread.


No, you're literally Lenin, at least according to Parkus.

Everyone is Lenin according to Parkus, including Parkus from 6 months ago.

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Postby The Parkus Empire » Fri Apr 27, 2018 6:43 pm

The Liberated Territories wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
I distinctly remember you crying for blood in a previous incarnation of this thread. The blood of tyrants, revolutions left unfinished. For all my faults, I've never advocated for such a terror and banditry as you. You are a crypto-Bolshevist and certainly no friend of liberty or property.


My friend, there is a world of a difference in disposing of a tyrant and murdering innocent people for their political views. McCarthyists like you are all too willing use violence against your perceived communist menace, even at the expense of people's rights.

I don't really approve of murdering dissidents, but when they collectively threaten to topple order if they aren't checked, then (and only then) extraordinary action is called for, as with the Alien and Sedition Acts
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