Right Wing Discussion Thread XI: It's Okay To Be Right

[Genivaria]

Saw this. Laughed. Had to share.

[Zanera]

Saw this. Laughed. Had to share.
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Saw that in a Discord after I discovered the Boney M song. Rasputin's is a crazy story.

[Albrenia]

Saw this. Laughed. Had to share.
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Saw that in a Discord after I discovered the Boney M song. Rasputin's is a crazy story.

Dude hoarded his extra lives for the last boss battle but he still couldn't cut it.

[Zanera]

Saw that in a Discord after I discovered the Boney M song. Rasputin's is a crazy story.

Dude hoarded his extra lives for the last boss battle but he still couldn't cut it.

Probably made a deal with the devil, and surviving all of that was divine punishment when the deal ended.

[Zottistan]

Saw this. Laughed. Had to share.
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Saw that in a Discord after I discovered the Boney M song. Rasputin's is a crazy story.

If there was ever a man who actually maybe might have had magical powers, it was Rasputin.

[The Parkus Empire]

Next thing you know we'll let the Orthodox in.

I warned you CM, I warned you what would happen if you just let anybody in.

At first I laughed in fond recollection. And then again, but much less comfortably. And then...grief.

[Reikoku]

gonna take me a while to get through this:

I know you aren't particularly a big fan of the new populist and nationalist movements, but you've gotta recognize that hearkening about Reagan and Goldwater has done nothing for us in the last 30 years. We've gotta adapt our message and tactics to the time so as to appeal to future generations.

Edit: scratch that, that didn't take nearly as long as I thought it would. I totally agree with the article; political minded Christians need to be more engaged in public discourse and not be afraid to take up positions on important issues.

I hate Reagan and Goldwater, but I fear that populist nationalism will get very ugly. :/ Especially in Europe.

Maybe it will toughen European countries up, especially against Russia.

[The Parkus Empire]

I hate Reagan and Goldwater, but I fear that populist nationalism will get very ugly. :/ Especially in Europe.

Maybe it will toughen European countries up, especially against Russia.

Russia very much wants populist nationalism in Europe.

[Albrenia]

Populist Nationalism does have a risk of getting ugly, I agree.

[The Parkus Empire]

Populist Nationalism does have a risk of getting ugly, I agree.

Then we will just have to make it
A E S T H E T I C

[Aulus Maximus]

Populist Nationalism does have a risk of getting ugly, I agree.

Then we will just have to make it
A E S T H E T I C

Populist Nationalistic Nasheeds when?

[Western-Ukraine]

Populist Nationalism does have a risk of getting ugly, I agree.

How much uglier can get it? Europe needs a big push to wake up, maybe the nationalists will help with that.

[Herskerstad]

Populist Nationalism does have a risk of getting ugly, I agree.

How much uglier can get it? Europe needs a big push to wake up, maybe the nationalists will help with that.

I don't know, Western Europe is for the most part impressively vanilla until it absolutely is go time. I am certain that there will be a far more broad nationalistic sentiment than there is currently in the future, but no way without significant concessions to the status quo. There's too much institutional and media power invested in that to change to a rightist flavour and that's even with the full on political retardation we see today.

[Republic of the Cristo]

Appealing back to the founding fathers and Burke hasn't done us many favors either.

M8 Burke is conservative as fuck, it's just wimps give him a very select reading. Also it's a question of which Founding Fathers: Jefferson is no good, Franklin is no good, but Gouverneur Morris, John Jay and John Adams are gold.

and what has appealing to them over the last 30 years done for us?

[Cekoviu]

How much uglier can get it? Europe needs a big push to wake up, maybe the nationalists will help with that.

I don't know, Western Europe is for the most part impressively vanilla until it absolutely is go time. I am certain that there will be a far more broad nationalistic sentiment than there is currently in the future, but no way without significant concessions to the status quo. There's too much institutional and media power invested in that to change to a rightist flavour and that's even with the full on political retardation we see today.

Phew.

[The Parkus Empire]

M8 Burke is conservative as fuck, it's just wimps give him a very select reading. Also it's a question of which Founding Fathers: Jefferson is no good, Franklin is no good, but Gouverneur Morris, John Jay and John Adams are gold.

and what has appealing to them over the last 30 years done for us?

I don't know what you mean by appealing to them. If you mean actually heading their positions and advice, we certainly haven't been doing that over the last thirty years. In fact Burke has been totally bastardized into meaning "slow surrender".

This is the Burke I know

Novelty is not the only source of zeal. Why should not a Maccabeus and his brethren arise to assert the honour of the ancient law, and to defend the temple of their forefathers, with as ardent a spirit as can inspire any innovator to destroy the monuments of the piety and the glory of ancient ages? It is not a hazarded assertion, it is a great truth, that when once things are gone out of their ordinary course, it is by acts out of the ordinary course they can alone be re-established. Republican spirit can only be combated by a spirit of the same nature: of the same nature, but informed with another principle, and pointing to another end. I would persuade a resistance, both to the corruption and to the reformation that prevails. It will not be the weaker, but much the stronger, for combating both together. A victory over real corruptions would enable us to baffle the spurious and pretended reformations. I would not wish to excite, or even to tolerate, that kind of evil spirit which invokes the powers of hell to rectify the disorders of the earth. No! I would add my voice with better, and I trust, more potent charms, to draw down justice and wisdom and fortitude from heaven, for the correction of human vice, and the recalling of human error from the devious ways into which it has been betrayed. I would wish to call the impulses of individuals at once to the aid and to the control of authority. By this, which I call the true republican spirit, paradoxical as it may appear, monarchies alone can be rescued from the imbecility of courts and the madness of the crowd. This republican spirit would not suffer men in high place to bring ruin on their country and on themselves. It would reform, not by destroying, but by saving, the great, the rich, and the powerful. Such a republican spirit, we perhaps fondly conceive to have animated the distinguished heroes and patriots of old, who knew no mode of policy but religion and virtue. These they would have paramount to all constitutions; they would not suffer monarchs, or senates, or popular assemblies, under pretences of dignity, or authority, or freedom, to shake off those moral riders which reason has appointed to govern every sort of rude power. These, in appearance loading them by their weight, do by that pressure augment their essential force. The momentum is increased by the extraneous weight. It is true in moral, as it is in mechanical science. It is true, not only in the draught, but in the race. These riders of the great, in effect, hold the reins which guide them in their course, and wear the spur that stimulates them to the goals of honour and of safety. The great must submit to the dominion of prudence and of virtue, or none will long submit to the dominion of the great.

"Dis te minorem quod geris imperas."

This is the feudal tenure which they cannot alter.

[Trumptonium1]

Populist Nationalism does have a risk of getting ugly, I agree.

How much uglier can get it? Europe needs a big push to wake up, maybe the nationalists will help with that.

For most of the countries that desperately need a wake-up call, they're pretty much too late to react.

Maybe it will toughen European countries up, especially against Russia.

Russia very much wants populist nationalism in Europe.

Wouldn't say that. Russia just wants fuckwittery.

They don't support populist established parties like FPO or especially PiS, for example. They're muted on Wilders.

In general they're just in favour of whatever fucks up the Western establishment.

[The Parkus Empire]

How much uglier can get it? Europe needs a big push to wake up, maybe the nationalists will help with that.

For most of the countries that desperately need a wake-up call, they're pretty much too late to react.

Russia very much wants populist nationalism in Europe.

Wouldn't say that. Russia just wants fuckwittery.

They don't support populist established parties like FPO or especially PiS, for example. They're muted on Wilders.

In general they're just in favour of whatever fucks up the Western establishment.

Populist nationalism (except in countries like Ukraine and other obvious cases) tends to be friendly toward Russia

[Canadensia]

That would inherently involve attempts to restore the Soviet Union.

Which, frankly, isn't desirable for us Westerners. In all honesty, I prefer a weak Russia that's dominated by self-serving oligarchs and is economically dependent on oil and gas exports.

"The Baltics seceded illegally" isn't an attempt to restore the SovUnion?

Truth be told, I'd say United Russia is more run-of-the-mill nationalist than anything. They're a mix between the LDPR's full-on "let's restore the Russian Empire" ultra-nationalism and the Communist Party's desire to bring back the USSR. Granted, most of the party hierarchy is ex-KGB, but that's pretty much a staple of Russian politics.

Thankfully, the country has been fairly isolated geopolitically, and NATO is sufficiently expanded to a point where Russia's only viable means of expansion are in the Ukraine, the Southern Caucasus and Central Asia. Which, frankly, they can only do in small portions without running the risk of being sanctioned up their ass.

That's, uh... not what I was getting at.

Yeltsin won the 1996 election because he was still relatively popular, and the only alternative was the Communist Party. Which, incidentally, still won 40% of the popular vote.

I know this is a hardcore belated reply, but Yeltsin went into the 1996 election running far behind Zyuganov after shelling his own parliament, and only came out ahead after a massive Western intervention including stimulus loans and US-dispatched political hacks, fairly credible allegations of vote-rigging and elections fraud, and crooked deals with ultranationalists and massive oligarchs who he gave state industries to for cents on the dollar in exchange for support. The CPRF is a pretty horrifying body and I find its mixture of pan-Slavism, fascism, and ultra-statist Soviet nostalgia to be vile, but frankly Yeltsin was not any better.

Oh, I agree, Yeltsin was utter trash as president.

If I remember correctly, his approval rating was hovering around 2% or so when he resigned and passed the torch to Putin.

[The Parkus Empire]

"The Baltics seceded illegally" isn't an attempt to restore the SovUnion?

Truth be told, I'd say United Russia is more run-of-the-mill nationalist than anything. They're a mix between the LDPR's full-on "let's restore the Russian Empire" ultra-nationalism and the Communist Party's desire to bring back the USSR. Granted, most of the party hierarchy is ex-KGB, but that's pretty much a staple of Russian politics.

Thankfully, the country has been fairly isolated geopolitically, and NATO is sufficiently expanded to a point where Russia's only viable means of expansion are in the Ukraine, the Southern Caucasus and Central Asia. Which, frankly, they can only do in small portions without running the risk of being sanctioned up their ass.

I unironically think restoring the monarchy would be best for Russia

[United Muscovite Nations]

Truth be told, I'd say United Russia is more run-of-the-mill nationalist than anything. They're a mix between the LDPR's full-on "let's restore the Russian Empire" ultra-nationalism and the Communist Party's desire to bring back the USSR. Granted, most of the party hierarchy is ex-KGB, but that's pretty much a staple of Russian politics.

Thankfully, the country has been fairly isolated geopolitically, and NATO is sufficiently expanded to a point where Russia's only viable means of expansion are in the Ukraine, the Southern Caucasus and Central Asia. Which, frankly, they can only do in small portions without running the risk of being sanctioned up their ass.

I unironically think restoring the monarchy would be best for Russia

I agree, but it would have been better if it had never fallen.
>tfw no Russian victory at Tannenberg

[Trumptonium1]

For most of the countries that desperately need a wake-up call, they're pretty much too late to react.



Wouldn't say that. Russia just wants fuckwittery.

They don't support populist established parties like FPO or especially PiS, for example. They're muted on Wilders.

In general they're just in favour of whatever fucks up the Western establishment.

Populist nationalism (except in countries like Ukraine and other obvious cases) tends to be friendly toward Russia

There's certainly that tendency but it appears to disappear once these parties rule or go into coalition, like in Denmark.

[The Parkus Empire]

I unironically think restoring the monarchy would be best for Russia

I agree, but it would have been better if it had never fallen.
>tfw no Russian victory at Tannenberg

Derp, well of course it would be better, no Bolshevik rule, and no Cold War super capitalist reaction. None of the monarchies that WWI cost should have been scrapped. But Russia is the only one I think that could viably go back to monarchy

[United Muscovite Nations]

I agree, but it would have been better if it had never fallen.
>tfw no Russian victory at Tannenberg

Derp, well of course it would be better, no Bolshevik rule, and no Cold War super capitalist reaction. None of the monarchies that WWI cost should have been scrapped. But Russia is the only one I think that could viably go back to monarchy

I doubt it could. Pretty much only the most diehard Orthodox (about 12% of the population) wants the autocracy back.

[The Parkus Empire]

Derp, well of course it would be better, no Bolshevik rule, and no Cold War super capitalist reaction. None of the monarchies that WWI cost should have been scrapped. But Russia is the only one I think that could viably go back to monarchy

I doubt it could. Pretty much only the most diehard Orthodox (about 12% of the population) wants the autocracy back.

Russia never abandoned autocracy, bro