NATION

PASSWORD

Right Wing Discussion Thread XI: It's Okay To Be Right

For discussion and debate about anything. (Not a roleplay related forum; out-of-character commentary only.)

Advertisement

Remove ads

What stance do you take on immigration?

1 - Full open borders. Sweden's Feminist Initiative model. Which involves doing all one can to prevent deportation of even alien criminal elements as they remain the responsibility of the country they find themselves in.
52
6%
2 - Full open borders with border security, checks and potential for deportation of harsher criminal immigrant elements. Multicultural model.
126
15%
3 - Full open borders with border security, checks and potential for deportation of harsher criminal immigrant elements. Melting-pot model.
176
22%
4 - Limited open borders that sets priories solely on the nations labour requirements.
72
9%
5 - Limited open borders that prioritises only high skilled labour. Multicultural model.
35
4%
6 - Limited open borders that prioritises only high skilled labour. Melting-pot model.
204
25%
7 - Closed borders. Only temporary green-cards, tourism and visas. No other forms of citizenship.
76
9%
8 - Fully closed borders.
36
4%
9 - Fully closed borders. No legal emigration.
39
5%
 
Total votes : 816

User avatar
Conserative Morality
Post Kaiser
 
Posts: 76676
Founded: Aug 24, 2007
Ex-Nation

Postby Conserative Morality » Tue Apr 10, 2018 12:33 pm

Reikoku wrote:It'd make a great fantasy novel were it not so abstract.

So, CM, what race spirit are you?

>> implying I could understand any of it

It was impenetrable to me tbh. I'd need a summary. That thick style is beyond me.
The East Marches II wrote:I'm down for it. If an Italian with questionable mental stability can do it, I am sure we can too.

I vote we classify races based on ancient peoples and kinds of loyalty. You, as an example of the Anatolian, are insularly loyal but culturally learned; treacherous and cunning when dealing with outsiders and thus not to be trusted.
Last edited by Conserative Morality on Tue Apr 10, 2018 12:36 pm, edited 1 time in total.
On the hate train. Choo choo, bitches. Bi-Polar. Proud Crypto-Fascist and Turbo Progressive. Dirty Étatist. Lowly Humanities Major. NSG's Best Liberal.
Caesar and Imperator of RWDT
Got a blog up again. || An NS Writing Discussion

User avatar
Fahran
Forum Moderator
 
Posts: 22562
Founded: Nov 13, 2017
Democratic Socialists

Postby Fahran » Tue Apr 10, 2018 12:45 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:I vote we classify races based on ancient peoples and kinds of loyalty. You, as an example of the Anatolian, are insularly loyal but culturally learned; treacherous and cunning when dealing with outsiders and thus not to be trusted.

What about me, CM? :lol:

User avatar
Old Tyrannia
Game Moderator
 
Posts: 16673
Founded: Aug 11, 2009
Father Knows Best State

Postby Old Tyrannia » Tue Apr 10, 2018 12:50 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Reikoku wrote:It'd make a great fantasy novel were it not so abstract.

So, CM, what race spirit are you?

>> implying I could understand any of it

It was impenetrable to me tbh. I'd need a summary. That thick style is beyond me.
The East Marches II wrote:I'm down for it. If an Italian with questionable mental stability can do it, I am sure we can too.

I vote we classify races based on ancient peoples and kinds of loyalty. You, as an example of the Anatolian, are insularly loyal but culturally learned; treacherous and cunning when dealing with outsiders and thus not to be trusted.

I do hope you realise that you're going to have to do everyone now.
"Classicist in literature, royalist in politics, and Anglo-Catholic in religion" (T.S. Eliot). Still, unaccountably, a NationStates Moderator.
"Have I done something for the general interest? Well then, I have had my reward. Let this always be present to thy mind, and never stop doing such good." - Marcus Aurelius, Meditations (Book XI, IV)
⚜ GOD SAVE THE KING

User avatar
El Hamidah
Diplomat
 
Posts: 536
Founded: Nov 26, 2017
Ex-Nation

Postby El Hamidah » Tue Apr 10, 2018 12:56 pm

Nah Marches is spiritually Turanian.
Last edited by El Hamidah on Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:03 pm, edited 2 times in total.
put my grasses on, everything went wrong

User avatar
Conserative Morality
Post Kaiser
 
Posts: 76676
Founded: Aug 24, 2007
Ex-Nation

Postby Conserative Morality » Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:06 pm

Fahran wrote:Don't let him off easy. He needs the stress every now and again. He low key loves it.

I feel very attacked right now
Old Tyrannia wrote:I do hope you realise that you're going to have to do everyone now.

Image

I'll need a moment to think. :p
On the hate train. Choo choo, bitches. Bi-Polar. Proud Crypto-Fascist and Turbo Progressive. Dirty Étatist. Lowly Humanities Major. NSG's Best Liberal.
Caesar and Imperator of RWDT
Got a blog up again. || An NS Writing Discussion

User avatar
Reikoku
Senator
 
Posts: 3645
Founded: Apr 01, 2017
Ex-Nation

Postby Reikoku » Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:11 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Reikoku wrote:It'd make a great fantasy novel were it not so abstract.

So, CM, what race spirit are you?

>> implying I could understand any of it

It was impenetrable to me tbh. I'd need a summary. That thick style is beyond me.


Ah, I'll try my best to explain it. Though it's difficult based on how vague and contradictory the author's ideas are.

Evola believed in something like Taoism and Hinduism, where there are two substances, masculine and feminine, which are polar opposites, but he believed them to constantly be at war. Uncorrupted “uranic” masculinity was associated with the north, sun, and sky, while “cthonic lunar” feminity was associated with the south, earth, and nature. Woman was as a result a purely natural creature without a spirit, self, or logic; while man was spiritual and driven to overcome the world. If men weren't careful though, they would be corrupted by women.

As a result, the masculine Northern races (i.e Indo-Europeans) who came down from the North Pole and Atlantis were hierarchical, spiritual, and dominating, while the feminine Southern races who came from Lemuria and the South Pole were egalitarian, naturalistic, pacifist, and caring. The Indo-Europeans conquered the latter and ruled as aristocrats and patricians who worshiped sky gods and other masculine deities, while the lower classes were composed of the defeated and composed the mystical and ecstatic Mystery religions, often worshiping Great Mothers and goddesses, although they were apparently in Evola's other writings the creators of contemplative tradition in contrast to the virile warrior spirituality of the kshatriyas.

User avatar
Fahran
Forum Moderator
 
Posts: 22562
Founded: Nov 13, 2017
Democratic Socialists

Postby Fahran » Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:39 pm


Then I did my job for today.

User avatar
New Emeline
Negotiator
 
Posts: 6275
Founded: Jan 16, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby New Emeline » Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:41 pm

Reikoku wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:>> implying I could understand any of it

It was impenetrable to me tbh. I'd need a summary. That thick style is beyond me.


Ah, I'll try my best to explain it. Though it's difficult based on how vague and contradictory the author's ideas are.

Evola believed in something like Taoism and Hinduism, where there are two substances, masculine and feminine, which are polar opposites, but he believed them to constantly be at war. Uncorrupted “uranic” masculinity was associated with the north, sun, and sky, while “cthonic lunar” feminity was associated with the south, earth, and nature. Woman was as a result a purely natural creature without a spirit, self, or logic; while man was spiritual and driven to overcome the world. If men weren't careful though, they would be corrupted by women.

As a result, the masculine Northern races (i.e Indo-Europeans) who came down from the North Pole and Atlantis were hierarchical, spiritual, and dominating, while the feminine Southern races who came from Lemuria and the South Pole were egalitarian, naturalistic, pacifist, and caring. The Indo-Europeans conquered the latter and ruled as aristocrats and patricians who worshiped sky gods and other masculine deities, while the lower classes were composed of the defeated and composed the mystical and ecstatic Mystery religions, often worshiping Great Mothers and goddesses, although they were apparently in Evola's other writings the creators of contemplative tradition in contrast to the virile warrior spirituality of the kshatriyas.

That just sounds like New Age nonsense honestly.

User avatar
Cekoviu
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 16954
Founded: Oct 18, 2017
Ex-Nation

Postby Cekoviu » Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:46 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Reikoku wrote:It'd make a great fantasy novel were it not so abstract.

So, CM, what race spirit are you?

>> implying I could understand any of it

It was impenetrable to me tbh. I'd need a summary. That thick style is beyond me.
The East Marches II wrote:I'm down for it. If an Italian with questionable mental stability can do it, I am sure we can too.

I vote we classify races based on ancient peoples and kinds of loyalty. You, as an example of the Anatolian, are insularly loyal but culturally learned; treacherous and cunning when dealing with outsiders and thus not to be trusted.

Do me.
pro: women's rights
anti: men's rights

User avatar
Fahran
Forum Moderator
 
Posts: 22562
Founded: Nov 13, 2017
Democratic Socialists

Postby Fahran » Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:48 pm

New Emeline wrote:That just sounds like New Age nonsense honestly.

That's pretty much what it is, only with a good deal more racism and sexism.
Last edited by Fahran on Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:49 pm, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
New Emeline
Negotiator
 
Posts: 6275
Founded: Jan 16, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby New Emeline » Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:51 pm

Fahran wrote:
New Emeline wrote:That just sounds like New Age nonsense honestly.

That's pretty much what it is, only with a good deal more racism and sexism.

Yeah, New Agers are typically more chill.

User avatar
Benuty
Post Czar
 
Posts: 37334
Founded: Jan 21, 2013
Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Benuty » Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:53 pm

Evola makes great roleplay material I will give him that much.
Last edited by Hashem 13.8 billion years ago
King of Madness in the Right Wing Discussion Thread. Winner of 2016 Posters Award for Insanity. Please be aware my posts in NSG, and P2TM are separate.

User avatar
Benuty
Post Czar
 
Posts: 37334
Founded: Jan 21, 2013
Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Benuty » Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:54 pm

New Emeline wrote:
Fahran wrote:That's pretty much what it is, only with a good deal more racism and sexism.

Yeah, New Agers are typically more chill.

Yeah, they also typically shill quackery so neither are different here.
Last edited by Hashem 13.8 billion years ago
King of Madness in the Right Wing Discussion Thread. Winner of 2016 Posters Award for Insanity. Please be aware my posts in NSG, and P2TM are separate.

User avatar
New Emeline
Negotiator
 
Posts: 6275
Founded: Jan 16, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby New Emeline » Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:55 pm

Benuty wrote:
New Emeline wrote:Yeah, New Agers are typically more chill.

Yeah, they also typically shill quackery so neither are different here.

Oh I can't stand New Agers either. 90% of the time they don't even understand the belief systems they claim to follow.

User avatar
Benuty
Post Czar
 
Posts: 37334
Founded: Jan 21, 2013
Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Benuty » Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:56 pm

New Emeline wrote:
Benuty wrote:Yeah, they also typically shill quackery so neither are different here.

Oh I can't stand New Agers either. 90% of the time they don't even understand the belief systems they claim to follow.

Nothing says fun like crystal healing sessions because making your kid drink funny things to cure their illnesses didn't work.

Honestly, they would be better off if their answer to everything was LSD and pot.
Last edited by Hashem 13.8 billion years ago
King of Madness in the Right Wing Discussion Thread. Winner of 2016 Posters Award for Insanity. Please be aware my posts in NSG, and P2TM are separate.

User avatar
New Emeline
Negotiator
 
Posts: 6275
Founded: Jan 16, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby New Emeline » Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:57 pm

Benuty wrote:
New Emeline wrote:Oh I can't stand New Agers either. 90% of the time they don't even understand the belief systems they claim to follow.

Nothing says fun like crystal healing sessions because making your kid drink funny things to cure their illnesses didn't work.

Honestly, they would be better off if their answer to everything was LSD and pot.

True.
I actually collect crystals (just cause I think they look cool), so I always get people explaining to me how I can get really great chakra or something. It's irritating.

User avatar
Cekoviu
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 16954
Founded: Oct 18, 2017
Ex-Nation

Postby Cekoviu » Tue Apr 10, 2018 2:05 pm

New Emeline wrote:
Benuty wrote:Yeah, they also typically shill quackery so neither are different here.

Oh I can't stand New Agers either. 90% of the time they don't even understand the belief systems they claim to follow.

Probably because it's literally impossible to understand. New Age makes no sense, the gibberish just sounds deep.
pro: women's rights
anti: men's rights

User avatar
New Emeline
Negotiator
 
Posts: 6275
Founded: Jan 16, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby New Emeline » Tue Apr 10, 2018 2:07 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
New Emeline wrote:Oh I can't stand New Agers either. 90% of the time they don't even understand the belief systems they claim to follow.

Probably because it's literally impossible to understand. New Age makes no sense, the gibberish just sounds deep.

I'm mostly talking about how they borrow elements from multiple religions and then distort them to the point that they're nothing like the original belief system.

User avatar
Northeast American Federation
Diplomat
 
Posts: 796
Founded: Oct 18, 2017
Ex-Nation

Postby Northeast American Federation » Tue Apr 10, 2018 2:08 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
New Emeline wrote:Oh I can't stand New Agers either. 90% of the time they don't even understand the belief systems they claim to follow.

Probably because it's literally impossible to understand. New Age makes no sense, the gibberish just sounds deep.

Okay, listen, your energies are misaligned because you don't understand, or don't believe in, vibrational essence. You need a light and crystal therapy session to realign your soul with creation and ascend to a higher state.
Pro: United States of America, American Exceptionalism, Bill of Rights, Capitalism, Western Civilization, Federalism, Nationalism, Democratic Republics, Militarism, Traditional Families and gender roles, Space Exploration, Law and Order, Equality of opportunity(not to be confused with outcome), Border Security
Anti: Communism, Socialism, Modern Feminism, "Progressivism", Nazism(actual nazism, not "you disagree with me so you're a nazi" nazism), Monarchy, Globalism, Racism and racial supremacy groups of all colors, radical Islamic terrorism, Anarchism, Direct Democracy, Open Borders, Drugs, Antifa

User avatar
New Emeline
Negotiator
 
Posts: 6275
Founded: Jan 16, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby New Emeline » Tue Apr 10, 2018 2:09 pm

Northeast American Federation wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Probably because it's literally impossible to understand. New Age makes no sense, the gibberish just sounds deep.

Okay, listen, your energies are misaligned because you don't understand, or don't believe in, vibrational essence. You need a light and crystal therapy session to realign your soul with creation and ascend to a higher state.

Well I can't do that if your psychic negativity is poisoning my third eye. God, do you even know what you're talking about?

User avatar
Cekoviu
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 16954
Founded: Oct 18, 2017
Ex-Nation

Postby Cekoviu » Tue Apr 10, 2018 2:11 pm

New Emeline wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Probably because it's literally impossible to understand. New Age makes no sense, the gibberish just sounds deep.

I'm mostly talking about how they borrow elements from multiple religions and then distort them to the point that they're nothing like the original belief system.

Ah.
Northeast American Federation wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Probably because it's literally impossible to understand. New Age makes no sense, the gibberish just sounds deep.

Okay, listen, your energies are misaligned because you don't understand, or don't believe in, vibrational essence. You need a light and crystal therapy session to realign your soul with creation and ascend to a higher state.

I don't need no crystal therapy, ya woo-peddler. My essential oil-powered psychowave machine works just fine, thank you very much!
pro: women's rights
anti: men's rights

User avatar
Fahran
Forum Moderator
 
Posts: 22562
Founded: Nov 13, 2017
Democratic Socialists

Postby Fahran » Tue Apr 10, 2018 2:13 pm

New Emeline wrote:
Northeast American Federation wrote:Okay, listen, your energies are misaligned because you don't understand, or don't believe in, vibrational essence. You need a light and crystal therapy session to realign your soul with creation and ascend to a higher state.

Well I can't do that if your psychic negativity is poisoning my third eye. God, do you even know what you're talking about?

Namaste. And of course. I've read all kinds of articles on crystal therapy and soul realignment.
Last edited by Fahran on Tue Apr 10, 2018 2:14 pm, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
New Emeline
Negotiator
 
Posts: 6275
Founded: Jan 16, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby New Emeline » Tue Apr 10, 2018 2:14 pm

Fahran wrote:
New Emeline wrote:Well I can't do that if your psychic negativity is poisoning my third eye. God, do you even know what you're talking about?

Namaste. And of course. I've read all kinds of articles on crystal therapy and soul realignment.

Well that's a relief ;)

User avatar
Conserative Morality
Post Kaiser
 
Posts: 76676
Founded: Aug 24, 2007
Ex-Nation

Postby Conserative Morality » Tue Apr 10, 2018 2:23 pm

Hakons, Saius, and Herk are Armenians, loyal to tradition. Not defensive, but diplomatic; pragmatic but principled, existing within the shadows of others, but also enduring independent of and beyond the rise and fall of those whose shadows they share. Absolutely not to be trusted.

UMN is Persian, loyal to his masters. Yearns to be in the shadow of power and greatness, but will not accept the shadow of those outside his race. Not to be trusted.

Aillyria is Germanic. Loyal to her own virtues. Strives for power not for its own sake, but to see the world cut up where it rots, and damn the consequences. Not to be trusted^Teutoberg

Geni and Therm are Roman, loyal to abstractions (Republicanism for oneself, SPQR, law* or at least legalistic motions, etc). Imperialist and hegemonic, culturally chauvinist and assimilationist. To be trusted. To stab you in the toga.
*well, Roman law, at least. Is there some other form of law?

Benuty is Egyptian, loyal to the capriciousness of divinity, bridging a gap between spirituality and madness. Not to be trusted.

WRA is Scythian. Loyal to his F R E E D O M. Not to be trusted.

ND is Carthaginian, loyal to himself and his peers, in that order. If you trust him, omae wa mou shindeiru.

TLT/Felrik are Axumite, loyal to their peers and themselves, in that order. Not to be trusted.
Fahran wrote:What about me, CM? :lol:

IUDEAN

Greek, Communally loyal, learned and proud. Beware when bearing gifts. Not to be trusted.
Old Tyrannia wrote:I do hope you realise that you're going to have to do everyone now.

Clearly you're one of the Celts. Loyal to institutions rooted in tradition and loyal to that tradition which will bring forth new institutions should the old fall. Too trustworthy; not to be trusted.

Lumi's probably a Celt too.
Last edited by Conserative Morality on Tue Apr 10, 2018 2:24 pm, edited 1 time in total.
On the hate train. Choo choo, bitches. Bi-Polar. Proud Crypto-Fascist and Turbo Progressive. Dirty Étatist. Lowly Humanities Major. NSG's Best Liberal.
Caesar and Imperator of RWDT
Got a blog up again. || An NS Writing Discussion

User avatar
Constaniana
Postmaster of the Fleet
 
Posts: 25822
Founded: Mar 10, 2012
Democratic Socialists

Postby Constaniana » Tue Apr 10, 2018 2:24 pm

Benuty wrote:Evola makes great roleplay material I will give him that much.

That jazz about Lemuria and Atlantis reminds me of a gem of a JRPG called Nostalgia. It takes a ton of mythology and mushes it into an Edwardian setting where people fly around in swanky zeppelins that have swords built into the bow.
Join Elementals 3, one of P2TM's oldest high fantasy roleplays, full of adventure, humour, and saving the world. Winner of the Best High Fantasy RP of P2TM twice in a row Choo Choo
Pro: Jesus Christ, Distributism, The Shire, House Atreides
Anti: The Antichrist, Communism, Mordor, House Harkonnen
Ameriganastan wrote:I work hard to think of those ludicrous Eric adventure stories, but I don't think I'd have come up with rescuing a three armed alchemist from goblin-monkeys in a million years.

Kudos.

PreviousNext

Advertisement

Remove ads

Return to General

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Bombadil, ImSaLiA, Kostane, Luziyca, Ors Might, Plan Neonie, Statesburg, The Two Jerseys, The Vooperian Union

Advertisement

Remove ads