Right Wing Discussion Thread XI: It's Okay To Be Right

[The Parkus Empire]

Also the Civil Rights Cases couldn't be helped, it fucked up everything

[Aulus Maximus]

In order to implement equality on RWDT I hereby declare American Historical discussion outlawed for the next five pages and enforce everyone to discuss the only history that actually matters - European and near Eastern history.

[Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft]

Also the Civil Rights Cases couldn't be helped, it fucked up everything

How did civil rights "fuck up everything"?

[Conserative Morality]

In order to implement equality on RWDT I hereby declare American Historical discussion outlawed for the next five pages and enforce everyone to discuss the only history that actually matters - European and near Eastern history.

Caesar's Civil War 2: Electric Boogaloo when? Really tbh the big mistake was not putting our weight behind the reconstruction of the Roman constitution.

And not crucifying more traitors.

How did civil rights "fuck up everything"?

They weren't enforced, giving the South and the defeat-worshiping traitors within the idea that they could defy the Federal government, an attitude which persists to this day.

[The Parkus Empire]

Impossible, we had Johnson subverting everything.

Hang Johnson.

Couldn't, nothing to charge him with. A major crackdown on the subversives in the South and serious prosecution would have been helpful, though, especially of Lee etc. But Johnson would never let that happen. I suspect Lincoln would have gone too soft too, but at least he wouldn't try to undermine reconstruction

[Aulus Maximus]

In order to implement equality on RWDT I hereby declare American Historical discussion outlawed for the next five pages and enforce everyone to discuss the only history that actually matters - European and near Eastern history.

Caesar's Civil War 2: Electric Boogaloo when? Really tbh the big mistake was not putting our weight behind the reconstruction of the Roman constitution.

Whenever problems arise the solution is to crucify it.

Even if it's a malfunctioning keyboard.

[Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft]

How did civil rights "fuck up everything"?

They weren't enforced, giving the South and the defeat-worshiping traitors within the idea that they could defy the Federal government, an attitude which persists to this day.

It was the lack of enforcement, not civil rights themselves, that fucked up everything.

[The Parkus Empire]

In order to implement equality on RWDT I hereby declare American Historical discussion outlawed for the next five pages and enforce everyone to discuss the only history that actually matters - European and near Eastern history.

Europe doesn't belong in a RW thread, not these days

[Conserative Morality]

Couldn't, nothing to charge him with. A major crackdown on the subversives in the South and serious prosecution would have been helpful, though, especially of Lee etc. But Johnson would never let that happen. I suspect Lincoln would have gone too soft too, but at least he wouldn't try to undermine reconstruction

Treason. Gave plenty of aid and comfort to the explicitly proclaimed enemies of America.

[The Parkus Empire]

Also the Civil Rights Cases couldn't be helped, it fucked up everything

How did civil rights "fuck up everything"?

I said the Civil Rights CASES

[Aulus Maximus]

In order to implement equality on RWDT I hereby declare American Historical discussion outlawed for the next five pages and enforce everyone to discuss the only history that actually matters - European and near Eastern history.

Europe doesn't belong in a RW thread, not these days

At least give some honor to those who actually made America and it's political system possible. Without Europe, the USA wouldn't exist.

[The Parkus Empire]

Couldn't, nothing to charge him with. A major crackdown on the subversives in the South and serious prosecution would have been helpful, though, especially of Lee etc. But Johnson would never let that happen. I suspect Lincoln would have gone too soft too, but at least he wouldn't try to undermine reconstruction

Treason. Gave plenty of aid and comfort to the explicitly proclaimed enemies of America.

True, but I doubt the courts would consider shilling to be aid that qualifies there

[Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft]

In order to implement equality on RWDT I hereby declare American Historical discussion outlawed for the next five pages and enforce everyone to discuss the only history that actually matters - European and near Eastern history.

Europe doesn't belong in a RW thread, not these days

Europe has its own right-wing issues

[Conserative Morality]

True, but I doubt the courts would consider shilling to be aid that qualifies there

What about protecting traitors and placing them into positions of power?

[Conserative Morality]

Brutus deserved the Tarpeian Rock. That he eventually died by the honorable method of suicide is criminal.

[The Parkus Empire]

Europe doesn't belong in a RW thread, not these days

At least give some honor to those who actually made America and it's political system possible. Without Europe, the USA wouldn't exist.

Britain okay. But not the Continent.

"I believe it will appear increasingly that the real war is between Anglo-American rightism and the various forms of European leftism."

-Richard Weaver

[The Parkus Empire]

Europe doesn't belong in a RW thread, not these days

Europe has its own right-wing issues

Immigration is about it

[Sovaal]

Pfft, Rome?

Pants > togas.

[Reikoku]

Brutus deserved the Tarpeian Rock. That he eventually died by the honorable method of suicide is criminal.

Of course a statist would hate the noble hero Brutus.

[Conserative Morality]

Of course a statist would hate the noble hero Brutus.

'noble hero'

Tell me more about how betraying the man who granted you clemency in the name of a corrupt, oppressive institution of murderers is noble?

Oh, of course, we're using the original meaning of the term. Yes, Brutus truly was a hero of the noble classes who wanted to keep the commons under their heel. =^)

[The Parkus Empire]

True, but I doubt the courts would consider shilling to be aid that qualifies there

What about protecting traitors and placing them into positions of power?

Technically that could be permitted according to Section 3 of the 14th Amendment, but it says it needs 2/3 of Congress to approve. Appointing them could be shut down for lacking congressional approval, but since said approval can be given, it would be difficult to indict him for giving succour to traitors, without indicting congress for any such approvals. Also traitors who were pardoned, while forbidden from office, were no longer under traitor status, but considered liabilities due to having been traitors

[Conserative Morality]

Technically that could be permitted according to Section 3 of the 14th Amendment, but it says it needs 2/3 of Congress to approve. Appointing them could be shut down for lacking congressional approval, but since said approval can be given, it would be difficult to indict him for giving succour to traitors, without indicting congress for any such approvals. Also traitors who were pardoned, while forbidden from office, were no longer under traitor status, but considered liabilities due to having been traitors

Oh, no, by accepting a pardon they admitted to being traitors. That status wasn't washed away. Pardons do not absolve crimes; pardons only absolve punishments.

[The Parkus Empire]

Technically that could be permitted according to Section 3 of the 14th Amendment, but it says it needs 2/3 of Congress to approve. Appointing them could be shut down for lacking congressional approval, but since said approval can be given, it would be difficult to indict him for giving succour to traitors, without indicting congress for any such approvals. Also traitors who were pardoned, while forbidden from office, were no longer under traitor status, but considered liabilities due to having been traitors

Oh, no, by accepting a pardon they admitted to being traitors. That status wasn't washed away. Pardons do not absolve crimes; pardons only absolve punishments.

Pardons absolve crimes. If you get pardoned by POTUS, for example, it takes the crime off your criminal record. The status of having been traitors remained for purposes of political appointment, but they were not classified as currently engaging in treason. Aiding a former traitor who has been pardoned or even simply punished but allowed to live, is not considered treason, I don't think

[Conserative Morality]

Pardons absolve crimes.

Crimes that one admits to being guilty of.

This brings us to the differences between legislative immunity and a pardon. They are substantial. The latter carries an imputation of guilt; acceptance a confession of it. The former has no such imputation or confession. It is tantamount to the silence of the witness. It is noncommittal. It is the unobtrusive act of the law given protection against a sinister use of his testimony, not like a pardon, requiring him to confess his guilt in order to avoid a conviction of it.

If you get pardoned by POTUS, for example, it takes the crime off your criminal record.

The purpose of criminal records is punishment. Not a literal statement of truth.

The status of having been traitors remained for purposes of political appointment, but they were not classified as currently engaging in treason. Aiding a former traitor who has been pardoned or even simply punished but allowed to live, is not considered treason, I don't think

There are no former traitors. There are only traitors. Any man who has betrayed his country is only saved by the grace of his government's mercy, not by any expungement of his guilt.

[Reikoku]

Of course a statist would hate the noble hero Brutus.

'noble hero'

Tell me more about how betraying the man who granted you clemency in the name of a corrupt, oppressive institution of murderers is noble?

Oh, of course, we're using the original meaning of the term. Yes, Brutus truly was a hero of the noble classes who wanted to keep the commons under their heel. =^)

The original Brutus had his own sons executed for trying to restore the kings, it is quite fitting that the last should not have given into nepotism.

Dictators never care about the common classes, solely about how they can use them for their own power. Caesar was no different.