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What stance do you take on immigration?

1 - Full open borders. Sweden's Feminist Initiative model. Which involves doing all one can to prevent deportation of even alien criminal elements as they remain the responsibility of the country they find themselves in.
52
6%
2 - Full open borders with border security, checks and potential for deportation of harsher criminal immigrant elements. Multicultural model.
126
15%
3 - Full open borders with border security, checks and potential for deportation of harsher criminal immigrant elements. Melting-pot model.
176
22%
4 - Limited open borders that sets priories solely on the nations labour requirements.
72
9%
5 - Limited open borders that prioritises only high skilled labour. Multicultural model.
35
4%
6 - Limited open borders that prioritises only high skilled labour. Melting-pot model.
204
25%
7 - Closed borders. Only temporary green-cards, tourism and visas. No other forms of citizenship.
76
9%
8 - Fully closed borders.
36
4%
9 - Fully closed borders. No legal emigration.
39
5%
 
Total votes : 816

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Mujahidah
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Postby Mujahidah » Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:53 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
Benuty wrote:All traps are liberal after all they all seem submissive in most if not all media.


Since when are liberals submissive? The Jacobins who led a bloody revolution and murdered their king were certainly not submissive.


Since the far-right decided everyone they didn't like was a "cuck"
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Bienenhalde
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Postby Bienenhalde » Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:54 pm

Mujahidah wrote:
I never said Muslims were entitled to "control" over Jerusalem. I just said that Israel has no right to it, nor does any "Jewish State."


If Israel does not have a right to it, who does?

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Postby Mujahidah » Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:54 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
Mujahidah wrote:
I never said Muslims were entitled to "control" over Jerusalem. I just said that Israel has no right to it, nor does any "Jewish State."


If Israel does not have a right to it, who does?


Ideally? A secular, neutral state. I.e.: One that doesnt have a religious symbol on its flag.

Putting personal bias aside thats the only valid solution that won't inedibly collapse ever since the UN imposed the Israeli state on Palestinians.
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The South Falls
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Postby The South Falls » Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:56 pm

Albrenia wrote:Sun worship almost makes sense to me. It literally does give us life, it is eternal from our perspective, unmoved by mortals, and so on.

Too bad it's just a giant baby's face, and not an actual deity.

Well, the Sun gives us life, but that would mean we should worship our mothers. Like, make altars, too. Those things are insane, because while loving your mother is fine, worshipping her is crazy, because of its inherent suggestions.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:57 pm

Mujahidah wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:
If Israel does not have a right to it, who does?


Ideally? A secular, neutral state. I.e.: One that doesnt have a religious symbol on its flag.

Putting personal bias aside thats the only valid solution that won't inedibly collapse ever since the UN imposed the Israeli state on Palestinians.

The proper solution is the restoration of the Kingdom of Jerusalem, as well as the other crusader states.
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Taihei Tengoku
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Postby Taihei Tengoku » Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:58 pm

The South Falls wrote:
Albrenia wrote:Sun worship almost makes sense to me. It literally does give us life, it is eternal from our perspective, unmoved by mortals, and so on.

Too bad it's just a giant baby's face, and not an actual deity.

Well, the Sun gives us life, but that would mean we should worship our mothers. Like, make altars, too. Those things are insane, because while loving your mother is fine, worshipping her is crazy, because of its inherent suggestions.

Catholics manage just fine.

Mujahidah wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:
If Israel does not have a right to it, who does?


Ideally? A secular, neutral state. I.e.: One that doesnt have a religious symbol on its flag.

Putting personal bias aside thats the only valid solution that won't inedibly collapse ever since the UN imposed the Israeli state on Palestinians.

Israel is also a solution that won't collapse.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:00 pm

The East Marches II wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Your loyalty to the original nanny state is worrying.


So is your support of proto-Bolshevism

delet this
Shall I consider you a schismatic in the eyes of the prophet Al-Hoppeyun (PBUH)?
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Postby Bienenhalde » Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:01 pm

Mujahidah wrote:
Ideally? A secular, neutral state. I.e.: One that doesnt have a religious symbol on its flag.

Putting personal bias aside thats the only valid solution that won't inedibly collapse ever since the UN imposed the Israeli state on Palestinians.


I do not think that putting two different ethnic groups that are largely hostile to each other into one state is a good idea. A two-state or three-state solution would probably work better.

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Mujahidah
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Postby Mujahidah » Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:01 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Mujahidah wrote:
Ideally? A secular, neutral state. I.e.: One that doesnt have a religious symbol on its flag.

Putting personal bias aside thats the only valid solution that won't inedibly collapse ever since the UN imposed the Israeli state on Palestinians.

The proper solution is the restoration of the Kingdom of Jerusalem, as well as the other crusader states.


Yeah, absolutely under no circumstance.

Taihei Tengoku wrote:
Mujahidah wrote:
Ideally? A secular, neutral state. I.e.: One that doesnt have a religious symbol on its flag.

Putting personal bias aside thats the only valid solution that won't inedibly collapse ever since the UN imposed the Israeli state on Palestinians.

Israel is also a solution that won't collapse.


Its not really working out, considering the corruption that is rampant in the government (I believe it was the last two PMs that were forced out by allegations?). Oh, and the fact that, you know, the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians angers every country around it. And the constant warfare the Jewish occupation of the territory has inevitably caused. Its not a solution at all, unless your really like bloodshed.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:01 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:Those atheistic potheads don't compare with mighty Belgium. Belgians weren't just white supremacists, they were le supreme whiteman


The Netherlands used to be such a nice nation of proper Calvinists. 'Tis a shame how far they have fallen since the time of Kuyper.

"The Natural Family: A Manifesto" got me interested in him a still relevant thinker
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Postby Mujahidah » Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:02 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
Mujahidah wrote:
Ideally? A secular, neutral state. I.e.: One that doesnt have a religious symbol on its flag.

Putting personal bias aside thats the only valid solution that won't inedibly collapse ever since the UN imposed the Israeli state on Palestinians.


I do not think that putting two different ethnic groups that are largely hostile to each other into one state is a good idea. A two-state or three-state solution would probably work better.


Two-State Solution fails because you have the question of where Al-Quds (Jerusalem) goes. Three-State Solution could work if the third state was an independent Al-Quds but was governed by some kind of nonaffiliated government.
Your friendly, quirky neighborhood muslim girl
The Parkus Empire wrote:To paraphrase my hero, Richard Nixon: she's pink right down to her hijab.
The Parkus Empire wrote:I misjudged you, you are much more smarter than I gave you credit for.
Northern Davincia wrote:Can we engrave this in a plaque?
The Parkus Empire wrote:I am not sure I'm entirely comfortable with a woman being this well informed, but I'll try not to judge.
The Parkus Empire wrote:Ah, m'lady, if I were a heathen I'd wed thee four times

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Postby Bienenhalde » Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:05 pm

Mujahidah wrote:
Since the far-right decided everyone they didn't like was a "cuck"


Yeah, I do not get why that meme caught on... I mean for someone to be cuckolded is certainly unfortunate, but it is not as though they were guilty of any sort of immorality. Then again, I guess the alt-right is not really interested in morality. They seem to follow Nietzsche's idea of being "beyond good and evil" and so forth.

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The South Falls
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Postby The South Falls » Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:06 pm

Taihei Tengoku wrote:
The South Falls wrote:Well, the Sun gives us life, but that would mean we should worship our mothers. Like, make altars, too. Those things are insane, because while loving your mother is fine, worshipping her is crazy, because of its inherent suggestions.

Catholics manage just fine.

Well, they do worship dads, not moms...
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The Parkus Empire
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:07 pm

Mujahidah wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:
I do not think that putting two different ethnic groups that are largely hostile to each other into one state is a good idea. A two-state or three-state solution would probably work better.


Two-State Solution fails because you have the question of where Al-Quds (Jerusalem) goes. Three-State Solution could work if the third state was an independent Al-Quds but was governed by some kind of nonaffiliated government.

How about the Xtians get it? :^)
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Bienenhalde
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Postby Bienenhalde » Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:07 pm

Mujahidah wrote:
Two-State Solution fails because you have the question of where Al-Quds (Jerusalem) goes. Three-State Solution could work if the third state was an independent Al-Quds but was governed by some kind of nonaffiliated government.


I meant that Gaza Strip would be returned to Egypt. The West Bank and East Jerusalem could go to Jordan.

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Mujahidah
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Postby Mujahidah » Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:08 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
Mujahidah wrote:
Since the far-right decided everyone they didn't like was a "cuck"


Yeah, I do not get why that meme caught on... I mean for someone to be cuckolded is certainly unfortunate, but it is not as though they were guilty of any sort of immorality. Then again, I guess the alt-right is not really interested in morality. They seem to follow Nietzsche's idea of being "beyond good and evil" and so forth.


Perhaps. I don't follow his philosophy - by any means - but I sometimes feel bad for Nietzsche. He's followed by people he'd likely hate.
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The Parkus Empire wrote:To paraphrase my hero, Richard Nixon: she's pink right down to her hijab.
The Parkus Empire wrote:I misjudged you, you are much more smarter than I gave you credit for.
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The Parkus Empire wrote:I am not sure I'm entirely comfortable with a woman being this well informed, but I'll try not to judge.
The Parkus Empire wrote:Ah, m'lady, if I were a heathen I'd wed thee four times

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Mujahidah
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Postby Mujahidah » Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:09 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
Mujahidah wrote:
Two-State Solution fails because you have the question of where Al-Quds (Jerusalem) goes. Three-State Solution could work if the third state was an independent Al-Quds but was governed by some kind of nonaffiliated government.

How about the Xtians get it? :^)


Because no one group an "Get it" and expect there to be anything but strife. If I was accepting perpetual strife as being possibly accepted as a "solution" I'd just be going hardline 'Muslims and only Muslims' right now because, religiously, its the claim I hold most valid. Thankfully I can separate religion and politics.
Your friendly, quirky neighborhood muslim girl
The Parkus Empire wrote:To paraphrase my hero, Richard Nixon: she's pink right down to her hijab.
The Parkus Empire wrote:I misjudged you, you are much more smarter than I gave you credit for.
Northern Davincia wrote:Can we engrave this in a plaque?
The Parkus Empire wrote:I am not sure I'm entirely comfortable with a woman being this well informed, but I'll try not to judge.
The Parkus Empire wrote:Ah, m'lady, if I were a heathen I'd wed thee four times

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Mujahidah
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Postby Mujahidah » Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:10 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
Mujahidah wrote:
Two-State Solution fails because you have the question of where Al-Quds (Jerusalem) goes. Three-State Solution could work if the third state was an independent Al-Quds but was governed by some kind of nonaffiliated government.


I meant that Gaza Strip would be returned to Egypt. The West Bank and East Jerusalem could go to Jordan.


Ahhh. A valid solution. I am rather partial to the idea of an Independent Al-Quds, myself, but thats just cause I find city-states neat.
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The Parkus Empire wrote:I misjudged you, you are much more smarter than I gave you credit for.
Northern Davincia wrote:Can we engrave this in a plaque?
The Parkus Empire wrote:I am not sure I'm entirely comfortable with a woman being this well informed, but I'll try not to judge.
The Parkus Empire wrote:Ah, m'lady, if I were a heathen I'd wed thee four times

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Benuty
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Postby Benuty » Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:22 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
Benuty wrote:All traps are liberal after all they all seem submissive in most if not all media.


Since when are liberals submissive? The Jacobins who led a bloody revolution and murdered their king were certainly not submissive.

Oh my dear child you don't know what a trap is do you?

It's a guy who dresses as a girl to bait men towards them for sexual purposes or otherwise. Since some users in this thread believe GB to be a trap (unsubstantiated rumors) the logic follows that if GB is a liberal, and a trap then ultimately they are submissive.

As all traps tend to be submissive in a lot of media I don't need to hold your hand through this explanation.
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Taihei Tengoku
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Postby Taihei Tengoku » Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:23 pm

Mujahidah wrote:
Taihei Tengoku wrote:Israel is also a solution that won't collapse.


Its not really working out, considering the corruption that is rampant in the government (I believe it was the last two PMs that were forced out by allegations?). Oh, and the fact that, you know, the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians angers every country around it. And the constant warfare the Jewish occupation of the territory has inevitably caused. Its not a solution at all, unless your really like bloodshed.

Israel's internal enemies are in ghettos and being reduced to the Stone Age and its external enemies (save one) are neutralized--quite the improvement over the threat of being driven to the sea.
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Postby Benuty » Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:24 pm

Mujahidah wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:
Since when are liberals submissive? The Jacobins who led a bloody revolution and murdered their king were certainly not submissive.


Since the far-right decided everyone they didn't like was a "cuck"

Well I would lecture you, but I am afraid this much trap discussion would get the thread drone bombed by the mods.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:26 pm

Mujahidah wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:How about the Xtians get it? :^)


Because no one group an "Get it" and expect there to be anything but strife. If I was accepting perpetual strife as being possibly accepted as a "solution" I'd just be going hardline 'Muslims and only Muslims' right now because, religiously, its the claim I hold most valid. Thankfully I can separate religion and politics.

You can try, but it's like separating morality and culture from politics
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Postby Benuty » Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:27 pm

Daily reminder that all citizens must watch mandatory broadcasts by President Xi or else.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:29 pm

Benuty wrote:Daily reminder that all citizens must watch mandatory broadcasts by President Xi or else.

Even our TV has been outsourced
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Postby Northern Davincia » Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:38 pm

Benuty wrote:Daily reminder that all citizens must watch mandatory broadcasts by President Xi or else.

I call dibs on joining the Thought Police.
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