Right Wing Discussion Thread XI: It's Okay To Be Right

[Herskerstad]

I am aware, though those are the codified collections. Their sources are projected to be considerably older, but the metric of cherrypicking comes through all the same. The numerous problems that come from it is that you and the quran under a tree, without the wealth of Islamic scholarship and history becomes the arbiter of Islam. This means everyone, including the caliphs, the institute that Muhammad himself put into place whom we know a great deal about in terms of their Sharia had it wrong. And if they got it wrong, nobody got it right. Those are his closest companions. This is a position that would flunk any systematic class and leave one perilously unqualified on the subject.

And it's not that I disagree that the Islamic systematic are considerably weaker than contemporary or predated religions both from a point of transmission and from certainly an ontological and epistemological side, but in terms of Islamic jurisprudence there is little doubt that the outgrowth and practices, with expected variations at least had some codified approach. If they then all got it wrong, then you need some text, something from the era that proves them wrong and it can't be the source that they all utilise, because their proximity to the events and oral traditions would leave them better disposed to judge for such.

I never said the Sahaba (RA) were wrong, nor have I said that all scholars are wrong. Nor do I think this.

Then you have to give some justification as to why you cherry pick from the scholars work that goes beyond the metric of you and the quran under a tree. Any ancient order, any scholar which disputes them early. Heck any writ of the age. Something tangible and not as fleeting as your own interpretation of the events.

[Minzerland II]

Israeli settlements are not within the borders of Israel.

By supporting the existence of the current Israeli state, you are endorsing its actions, whether you want to admit that or not.

Once again, you want to eliminate the Jews from the region, so I'm not sure what you're going for.

I don't think I ever said I wanted to 'eliminate the Jews,' but sure, just throw out that "anti-semite" card when you can't defend your favorite little ethnostate.

What the fuck do you think will happen, do you think the Palestinians will leave the Jews alone in peace? Fuck, mate. If you endorse Palestine, then you also endorse their probable actions, to put it in your own words.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

I never said the Sahaba (RA) were wrong, nor have I said that all scholars are wrong. Nor do I think this.

Then you have to give some justification as to why you cherry pick from the scholars work that goes beyond the metric of you and the quran under a tree.

1: I accept most of the say in aHadith because most don't contradict the Holy Qur'an.
2: I'm not a Qur'anist, so there is no "Qur'an and me under a tree"

Any ancient order, any scholar which disputes them early. Heck any writ of the age. Something tangible and not as fleeting as your own interpretation of the events.

I never brought up events.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

By supporting the existence of the current Israeli state, you are endorsing its actions, whether you want to admit that or not.



I don't think I ever said I wanted to 'eliminate the Jews,' but sure, just throw out that "anti-semite" card when you can't defend your favorite little ethnostate.

What the fuck do you think will happen, do you think the Palestinians will leave the Jews alone in peace? Fuck, mate. If you endorse Palestine, then you also endorse their probable actions, to put it in your own words.

Not necessarily.

[Northern Davincia]

Mr. House did nothing wrong

Agreed I support House all the way since he is the true future of the Mojave.

Ah, I see that you are a man of culture as well.

[Herskerstad]

Then you have to give some justification as to why you cherry pick from the scholars work that goes beyond the metric of you and the quran under a tree.

1: I accept most of the say in aHadith because most don't contradict the Holy Qur'an.
2: I'm not a Qur'anist, so there is no "Qur'an and me under a tree"

Any ancient order, any scholar which disputes them early. Heck any writ of the age. Something tangible and not as fleeting as your own interpretation of the events.

I never brought up events.

1 - That's the problem. If you get both unsound and sound notions from the collections, then it's not sound is it?
2 - While it does not make you a quranist despite the argument being much the same, it does make your position ungrounded historically and esoteric. Making you speak for roughly 0% of the house of Islam as they'd self identify.
3 - That's part of the problem. In swaying the schools of jurisprudence or any school of quranic historicity. You make yourself the arbiter of what Islam is. If you can take from the same page and say this is true, and that bit is untrue, then either you got psychic abilities or you got a really faulty set of systematics. It does not mean you're a bad person, but would you trust someone who came to the opposite conclusions of you, but based it only on the quran as they interpreted it and cherrypicked hadiths? It's a method without any external integrity.

[Cekoviu]

By supporting the existence of the current Israeli state, you are endorsing its actions, whether you want to admit that or not.



I don't think I ever said I wanted to 'eliminate the Jews,' but sure, just throw out that "anti-semite" card when you can't defend your favorite little ethnostate.

What the fuck do you think will happen, do you think the Palestinians will leave the Jews alone in peace? Fuck, mate. If you endorse Palestine, then you also endorse their probable actions, to put it in your own words.

You can generate hypothetical worst-case scenarios about Palestine all day, but it won't excuse the crimes Israel has committed.

[Aillyria]

Ok.....so a Quranist's perspective is needed? Ask away RWTD!

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Ok.....so a Quranist's perspective is needed? Ask away RWTD!

Are traps gay?

[Salus Maior]

What the fuck do you think will happen, do you think the Palestinians will leave the Jews alone in peace? Fuck, mate. If you endorse Palestine, then you also endorse their probable actions, to put it in your own words.

You can generate hypothetical worst-case scenarios about Palestine all day, but it won't excuse the crimes Israel has committed.

I think it's pretty clear that the Palestinians hate the Israelis, and if Israel were to completely fall to Palestine there would be serious hate crimes at the very least.

That being said, obviously what Israel is doing also isn't right.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

You can generate hypothetical worst-case scenarios about Palestine all day, but it won't excuse the crimes Israel has committed.

In what way, explicitly or implicitly, did Minzerland say that the crimes of Israel were excused. I thought it was fairly obvious that the point of Minzerland’s post was to point out that the Palestinians, if they were able to secure supremacy over Israel, would most likely commit the same crimes Israel have; all of this whilst attempting to demonstrate the flawed nature of Mujahidah logic, specifically the bit that says, “By supporting the existence of the current Israeli state, you are endorsing its actions,[…]”.

[Minzerland II]

What the fuck do you think will happen, do you think the Palestinians will leave the Jews alone in peace? Fuck, mate. If you endorse Palestine, then you also endorse their probable actions, to put it in your own words.

Not necessarily.

According to Mujahidah.

What the fuck do you think will happen, do you think the Palestinians will leave the Jews alone in peace? Fuck, mate. If you endorse Palestine, then you also endorse their probable actions, to put it in your own words.

You can generate hypothetical worst-case scenarios about Palestine all day, but it won't excuse the crimes Israel has committed.

I never did, but to deny the hatred Palestinians have for Israel is stupid, and so is denying the undoubted actions against the Jews that will happen if the Palestinians are given the control.

[Albrenia]

I don't really see there being much chance of a good solution to the problem. Which ever one gains the upper hand will mistreat the other horribly, and the other will probably continue doing horrible things right back whenever and however they can.

[Senkaku]

I don't really see there being much chance of a good solution to the problem. Which ever one gains the upper hand will mistreat the other horribly, and the other will probably continue doing horrible things right back whenever and however they can.

Sounds like it's time for the American United Nations Mandate for the Levant Military Administration :^)

we can toss Syria and Iraq on the pile too while we're at it

[Kubumba Tribe]

Not necessarily.

According to Mujahidah.

Can you find where she supports the ethnic cleansing of Jews?

[United Muscovite Nations]

US Military Estimates 10,000 casualties in opening days of hostilities with North Korea

If true, it will be interesting to note if this plays into the Trump Administration's calculus in dealing with North Korea. I have always said that any offensive operation against North Korea would be very difficult, and that this would prove a good deterrent against US-South Korean action to remove the WPK regime.

[Irona]

US Military Estimates 10,000 casualties in opening days of hostilities with North Korea

If true, it will be interesting to note if this plays into the Trump Administration's calculus in dealing with North Korea. I have always said that any offensive operation against North Korea would be very difficult, and that this would prove a good deterrent against US-South Korean action to remove the WPK regime.

I think their nuclear weapons are a pretty good deterrent. NK was basically immune from foreign invasion the moment they got nukes.

[Mujahidah]

US Military Estimates 10,000 casualties in opening days of hostilities with North Korea

If true, it will be interesting to note if this plays into the Trump Administration's calculus in dealing with North Korea. I have always said that any offensive operation against North Korea would be very difficult, and that this would prove a good deterrent against US-South Korean action to remove the WPK regime.

I think their nuclear weapons are a pretty good deterrent. NK was basically immune from foreign invasion the moment they got nukes.

I'd disagree. We don't know if they can deploy them or not. Having a bomb doesn't mean as much as you think if you can't fling it anywhere.

[United Muscovite Nations]

I think their nuclear weapons are a pretty good deterrent. NK was basically immune from foreign invasion the moment they got nukes.

I'd disagree. We don't know if they can deploy them or not. Having a bomb doesn't mean as much as you think if you can't fling it anywhere.

Considering their number of ballistic missiles, they almost certainly could deploy it. Seoul isn't far enough away to be safe from even the most primitive of ballistic missiles.

[Mujahidah]

I'd disagree. We don't know if they can deploy them or not. Having a bomb doesn't mean as much as you think if you can't fling it anywhere.

Considering their number of ballistic missiles, they almost certainly could deploy it. Seoul isn't far enough away to be safe from even the most primitive of ballistic missiles.

Its debatable whether they have a nuclear weapon rugged and small enough to place on a ballistic missile

[United Muscovite Nations]

Considering their number of ballistic missiles, they almost certainly could deploy it. Seoul isn't far enough away to be safe from even the most primitive of ballistic missiles.

Its debatable whether they have a nuclear weapon rugged and small enough to place on a ballistic missile

Perhaps, but even if they don't, they could put a lot of VX and Sarin nerve gas into Seoul and it's surrounding areas.

[Mujahidah]

Its debatable whether they have a nuclear weapon rugged and small enough to place on a ballistic missile

Perhaps, but even if they don't, they could put a lot of VX and Sarin nerve gas into Seoul and it's surrounding areas.

Yep. I don't think military action against the North Koreans is the best way forward, unless the US Government knows things I don't.

[Irona]

Considering their number of ballistic missiles, they almost certainly could deploy it. Seoul isn't far enough away to be safe from even the most primitive of ballistic missiles.

Its debatable whether they have a nuclear weapon rugged and small enough to place on a ballistic missile

I would guess the CIA and State Department would have more information than us, but even the possibility of them having a nuclear weapon is a good deterrent. From their tests, and recent change in attitude, it seems likely they do.

[Republican Corentia]

I don't like how freedom of movement is being judged based on the economic utility of a migrant. How come all these ""models"" are focused around how we can interpret them as dollar signs, or just completely irrational? Commodification of immigrants is how we get things like America's terrible migrant worker conditions.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

I don't like how freedom of movement is being judged based on the economic utility of a migrant. How come all these ""models"" are focused around how we can interpret them as dollar signs, or just completely irrational? Commodification of immigrants is how we get things like America's terrible migrant worker conditions.

You have a point. I don't think immigrants to-be should be judged based on their wealth, but I've never thought of it like that.