Left Wing Discussion Thread IV: Oh Hai Marx

[Aillyria]

1.) The EU elites want to destroy the separate cultures of the member states by flooding them with culturally alien immigrants so they can create a "European identity". Plus, they want the votes.
2.) Immigration should be stopped ASAP, and the Europeans should incentivize native population growth.

The "elites" want to create a monolithic European identity by... importing people from various different cultural regions in the Middle East.

I'm not a fan of the Europe's immigration policy, but please be realistic. This comes across like Elders of Zion conspiracy theories.

I'm being quite realistic. It probably won't work our how they want it to, of course, but they're literally trying to destroy the European nationstates.

[Albrenia]

Oh yes... the 'elites'.

Whoever the heck they are.

[New Emeline]

Oh yes... the 'elites'.

Whoever the heck they are.

The Lizard Aliens, obviously.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Oh yes... the 'elites'.

Whoever the heck they are.

They're the bourgeois liberals.

[New Emeline]

Oh yes... the 'elites'.

Whoever the heck they are.

They're the bourgeois liberals.

Bourgeois lizard alien liberals?

[Pilarcraft]

They're the bourgeois liberals.

Bourgeois lizard alien liberals?

Drop an eternal zionist or sth in that and you'll be on point.

[New Emeline]

Bourgeois lizard alien liberals?

Drop an eternal zionist or sth in that and you'll be on point.

Bourgeois Zionist Lizard Alien Illuminati NWO Liberals?

[Mattopilos II]

Ok hold on, I didn't even know Classical Liberalism, father to most libertarian ideologies (even left-wing ones), was centrist
I mean, I am pretty sure it's not. but please, explain why it is centrist?

IDK, Mattopilos said it was so I was rolling with it.
I see it as solidly right-wing.

Obviously that don't all reside on a single point on the compass (which itself is heavily flawed). most if not all liberal ideologies tend towards it when it comes to popular politics in a need for popular support.

[Mattopilos II]

The "elites" want to create a monolithic European identity by... importing people from various different cultural regions in the Middle East.

I'm not a fan of the Europe's immigration policy, but please be realistic. This comes across like Elders of Zion conspiracy theories.

I'm being quite realistic. It probably won't work our how they want it to, of course, but they're literally trying to destroy the European nationstates.

C I T A T I O N

N E E D E D

[New Emeline]

I'm being quite realistic. It probably won't work our how they want it to, of course, but they're literally trying to destroy the European nationstates.

C I T A T I O N

N E E D E D

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[New Emeline]

We still don't have a poll

[Pilarcraft]

how about "Who's responsible for the EU Immigrant conspiracy"?


suggest options

[New Emeline]

how about "Who's responsible for the EU Immigrant conspiracy"?


suggest options

Lizard Aliens
Non-lizard Aliens
The Illuminaty
The New World Order

[Mujahidah]

how about "Who's responsible for the EU Immigrant conspiracy"?


suggest options

Obama, Secret Muslim.

[New Emeline]

how about "Who's responsible for the EU Immigrant conspiracy"?


suggest options

Obama, Secret Muslim.

Plot twist: Donald Trump is a secret Muslim.

[Albrenia]

how about "Who's responsible for the EU Immigrant conspiracy"?


suggest options

My friend Bud's been acting suspicious lately. Probably him.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

They're the bourgeois liberals.

Bourgeois lizard alien liberals?

Who else?

[Liriena]

So...why is the EU allowing all these third world immigrants and should they be stopped?

1.) The EU elites want to destroy the separate cultures of the member states by flooding them with culturally alien immigrants so they can create a "European identity". Plus, they want the votes.
2.) Immigration should be stopped ASAP, and the Europeans should incentivize native population growth.

That makes no sense.

[Liriena]

Oh yes... the 'elites'.

Whoever the heck they are.

I feel like the triple parenthesis are implicit.

[Liriena]

how about "Who's responsible for the EU Immigrant conspiracy"?


suggest options

The ghosts of Adorno, Horkheimer and Marcuse.

[Questers]

The EU is beautiful in a way, all those individual European nations deciding to come together as one, irrespective of culture, so as not to repeat the terror of war. Unfortuntely for us, the premise is wrong.

And while it is often decried for its democratic deficit, the EU actually has too much democracy.

[Pilarcraft]

The EU is beautiful in a way, all those individual European nations deciding to come together as one, irrespective of culture, so as not to repeat the terror of war. Unfortuntely for us, the premise is wrong.

And while it is often decried for its democratic deficit, the EU actually has too much democracy.

Personally, I always squint my eyes when I see someone say "too much democracy" or "Too many civil rights".
This is no exception.
Also, really. too democratic.
That much be why The Catalan situation happened last year.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

The EU is beautiful in a way, all those individual European nations deciding to come together as one, irrespective of culture, so as not to repeat the terror of war. Unfortuntely for us, the premise is wrong.

And while it is often decried for its democratic deficit, the EU actually has too much democracy.

The premise being?

[Dumb Ideologies]

The attempt to conceive of the national populations of Europe as a common demos is a conceptually federalising move which inherently tries to transcend older models of cooperation between independent national leaders and their appointees. It's an attempt to construct a rival base of legitimacy and there's an inbuilt momentum therein towards the expansion of the Union's power and the imposition of policy on national populations who disagree.

It's natural that if you don't accept federalism and ever closer union that you'd want to limit the power of the European Parliament. Well, if you're a soft-eurosceptic who doesn't want to leave entirely, that is...

[Simad]

The attempt to conceive of the national populations of Europe as a common demos is a conceptually federalising move which inherently tries to transcend older models of cooperation between independent national leaders and their appointees. It's an attempt to construct a rival base of legitimacy and there's an inbuilt momentum therein towards the expansion of the Union's power and the imposition of policy on national populations who disagree.

It's natural that if you don't accept federalism and ever closer union that you'd want to limit the power of the European Parliament. Well, if you're a soft-eurosceptic who doesn't want to leave entirely, that is...

Your point being?