Left Wing Discussion Thread IV: Oh Hai Marx

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

so...most youtube "skeptics" are classic liberals.

What are those?

Is it a bad thing?

It is most certainly not a bad thing.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Doesn't seem to bad.

What wrong with the skeptics then (other then some of them being alt-right)?

classical liberalism tends to lend itself to centrist middle-ground fallacies.

Not really. I mean, it kind of has that with the horseshoe thing, but I think that's because to a centrist classical liberal, radicalism and collectivism are more or less interchangeable and individualism and moderatism is likewise. That's where horseshoe theory comes from. The top of the horseshoe implicitly represents individualism. Am I making sense, or am I just rambling?

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Doesn't seem to bad.

What wrong with the skeptics then (other then some of them being alt-right)?

classical liberalism tends to lend itself to centrist middle-ground fallacies.

This is what socialists and anarchists believe.

Don't ever compromise with socialists and anarchists.

t. A classical liberal.

[The Multiversal Communist Collective]

He fought with POUM but I don’t think that necessary proves he was a Trotskyist

Hitchens said he was a Trotskyist in this YouTube video (among others). Orwell, on the other hand, specifically denied being a Trotskyist (although he was clearly influenced by Trotsky).

[Jackania yugo]

classical liberalism tends to lend itself to centrist middle-ground fallacies.

This is what socialists and anarchists believe.

Don't ever compromise with socialists and anarchists.

t. A classical liberal.

Well, this is a left wing discussion thread. Even though they don't own the place, there's bound to be some of them around here.

[Reikoku]

Yes. Be prepared for a lot of existentialist themes which might not make sense if you haven't read Sartre though.

Sartre's existential Marxism has all but died out. However, that gives some enterprising individual the opportunity to rediscover him and bring him into the 21ˢᵗ century.

Can't help you there. Not a Marxist.

as mr hitchens said (but not about liriena): "You give me the awful impression, I hate to have to say it, of someone who hasn't read any of the arguments against your position ever."

Its always important to read sources and thinkers who are very against your position.

Been there, done that, my position remains unchanged. Kudos to me. :3

Also, as someone who used to idolize Hitchens, I'd appreciate it if we stopped idolizing him.

I'm more a fan of Sam Harris, although I admire Hitchens for having the courage and intellectual honesty to experience waterboarding first hand and change his mind.

[Democratic Communist Federation]

Can't help you there. Not a Marxist.

Jean-Paul Sartre adopted Marxism in the last part of his career. He argued that his existentialism, and his notion of an existential crisis, was fulfilled by revolutionary Marxism. For Sartre, Marxism gave him a life purpose. However, existential Marxism did not survive for long after Sartre's death.

Although I am not personally an existentialist, I think that there is much in Sartre's Marxist turn which some original thinker could draw upon and revise.

[Cekoviu]

His homophobia, Islamophobia, and racism.

Two words. They begin with a C and an N and rhyme with "Lactation Cheated."

.....Cactation Neated?

[Jackania yugo]

Two words. They begin with a C and an N and rhyme with "Lactation Cheated."

.....Cactation Neated?

Citation needed.

Don't become the thing you try and destroy.

[Cekoviu]

.....Cactation Neated?

Citation needed.

Don't become the thing you try and destroy.

Ah.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQOkT8xjPEw&t=674s
https://twitter.com/DaveCullenCF/status ... 8121622528
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Am0hZhqnIxA

[Proctopeo]

Doesn't seem to bad.

What wrong with the skeptics then (other then some of them being alt-right)?

classical liberalism tends to lend itself to centrist middle-ground fallacies.

And less centrist ideologies tend to lend themselves to black-and-white "everyone is either with me or wrong" fallacies.

[Pilarcraft]

classical liberalism tends to lend itself to centrist middle-ground fallacies.

And less centrist ideologies tend to lend themselves to black-and-white "everyone is either with me or wrong" fallacies.

Ok hold on, I didn't even know Classical Liberalism, father to most libertarian ideologies (even left-wing ones), was centrist
I mean, I am pretty sure it's not. but please, explain why it is centrist?

[Proctopeo]

And less centrist ideologies tend to lend themselves to black-and-white "everyone is either with me or wrong" fallacies.

Ok hold on, I didn't even know Classical Liberalism, father to most libertarian ideologies (even left-wing ones), was centrist
I mean, I am pretty sure it's not. but please, explain why it is centrist?

IDK, Mattopilos said it was so I was rolling with it.
I see it as solidly right-wing.

[Pilarcraft]

Ok hold on, I didn't even know Classical Liberalism, father to most libertarian ideologies (even left-wing ones), was centrist
I mean, I am pretty sure it's not. but please, explain why it is centrist?

IDK, Mattopilos said it was so I was rolling with it.
I see it as solidly right-wing.

it's solidly right-wing economy-wise, and it's anti-state authority where the politics axis is concerned. it's firmly out of the centrist sectors, in my opinion. Like, it might be pragmatist, depending on the ideologist, but it's not moderatist by no sense.

[Jackania yugo]

IDK, Mattopilos said it was so I was rolling with it.
I see it as solidly right-wing.

it's solidly right-wing economy-wise, and it's anti-state authority where the politics axis is concerned. it's firmly out of the centrist sectors, in my opinion. Like, it might be pragmatist, depending on the ideologist, but it's not moderatist by no sense.

So it's in the purple section.

[Pilarcraft]

it's solidly right-wing economy-wise, and it's anti-state authority where the politics axis is concerned. it's firmly out of the centrist sectors, in my opinion. Like, it might be pragmatist, depending on the ideologist, but it's not moderatist by no sense.

So it's in the purple section.

Yes. somewhere in the middle of the purple section. not too anarchist, nor too economically right, but still firmly in purple. at least, in my opinion. Some say it's where we normally put Ancaps.

[Jackania yugo]

Citation needed.

Don't become the thing you try and destroy.

Ah.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQOkT8xjPEw&t=674s
https://twitter.com/DaveCullenCF/status ... 8121622528
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Am0hZhqnIxA

So...what's a non-existent twitter post and a brutal communist dictator who hated gays have to do with this?

"With the profit motive eradicated by the revolution, the superficial tolerance of LGBT persons by the strongly homophobic Cuban society quickly evaporated. Emigration to Miami began immediately, including lesbians and gay men who had worked for United States firms or had done domestic work for the native bourgeoisie. LGBT people who already had lived largely abroad moved away permanently.[6]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Cuba

[The Grene Knyght]

True. I was not basing my conclusion off of him not being a progressive.

What were you basing it off of?

I don't know this guy, but I scrolled through his youtube channel, and watched one of his videos on Irish politics, and its incredible to me that someone could look at that and not to see the blatant reactionary slant he has.

[Jackania yugo]

What were you basing it off of?

I don't know this guy, but I scrolled through his youtube channel, and watched one of his videos on Irish politics, and its incredible to me that someone could look at that and not to see the blatant reactionary slant he has.

What does reactionary mean?

[The Grene Knyght]

I don't know this guy, but I scrolled through his youtube channel, and watched one of his videos on Irish politics, and its incredible to me that someone could look at that and not to see the blatant reactionary slant he has.

What does reactionary mean?

"reactionary
/rɪˈakʃ(ə)n(ə)ri/
adjective
1.
opposing political or social progress or reform."

Why are you arguing about whether or not this guy is a reactionary of you don't know what the term means?

[Proctopeo]

I don't know this guy, but I scrolled through his youtube channel, and watched one of his videos on Irish politics, and its incredible to me that someone could look at that and not to see the blatant reactionary slant he has.

What does reactionary mean?

Someone who wants to return to the status quo ante. Whether this is actually the case or not is ambiguous.

[Pilarcraft]

I don't know this guy, but I scrolled through his youtube channel, and watched one of his videos on Irish politics, and its incredible to me that someone could look at that and not to see the blatant reactionary slant he has.

What does reactionary mean?

I think it means his ideology is built on reaction to social progress. Like, regressive, but actively tries to stop progress. normally used to describe fascists by the left tho lol

[Jackania yugo]

What does reactionary mean?

I think it means his ideology is built on reaction to social progress. Like, regressive, but actively tries to stop progress. normally used to describe fascists by the left tho lol

So...not move back but just stop progress.

so...something like this:

The progressive-O-scale.

Alt right/regressive left-----reactionarys (skeptics)-----actual progressives.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

I think it means his ideology is built on reaction to social progress. Like, regressive, but actively tries to stop progress. normally used to describe fascists by the left tho lol

So...not move back but just stop progress.

so...something like this:

The progressive-O-scale.

Alt right/regressive left-----reactionarys (skeptics)-----actual progressives.

Noooooo.

The Alt-Right and Regressive Left pursue nontraditional policies that are to the extreme.

Reactionaries-Actual Progressives-Alt-right/Regressive Left

[Jackania yugo]

So...not move back but just stop progress.

so...something like this:

The progressive-O-scale.

Alt right/regressive left-----reactionarys (skeptics)-----actual progressives.

Noooooo.

The Alt-Right and Regressive Left pursue nontraditional policies that are to the extreme.

Reactionaries-Actual Progressives-Alt-right/Regressive Left

But they're still bad, right?