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Was Trotsky Polyamorous?

Yes
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58%
Yes
103
42%
 
Total votes : 244

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Aellex
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Postby Aellex » Thu Mar 22, 2018 2:51 pm

Kubra wrote:
Democratic Communist Federation wrote:
IMO, proletarian democracy and authoritarianism are polar opposites.
yeah until the sans culottes storm in and demand terror be made the order of the day

Terror is nothing but prompt, severe and inflexible Justice; an emanation of Virtue in its purest form. ;D
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Bakery Hill
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Postby Bakery Hill » Thu Mar 22, 2018 2:52 pm

Aellex wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:Oh yes, and ban the furries, almost forgot.

Ban? I was promised by you a purge.
Are you betraying your engagement to the Committee, Camarade Bakery ?

n-no, my words were imprecise! purge the furries and uhhh burn all anime!
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Aellex
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Postby Aellex » Thu Mar 22, 2018 2:59 pm

Bakery Hill wrote:n-no, my words were imprecise! purge the furries and uhhh burn all anime!

Good my esteemed Leader, as long as you keep such an inflexibly pure and virtuous spirit of righteousness as you've shown us here, none in the party could ever even think of challenging your guidance!
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RIP Balk, you were too good a shitposter for this site.

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Ostroeuropa
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu Mar 22, 2018 3:09 pm

Aellex wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:Oh yes, and ban the furries, almost forgot.

Ban? I was promised by you a purge.
Are you betraying your engagement to the Committee, Camarade Bakery ?


What's wrong with Furries?
Furries are cool.
Ostro.MOV

There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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United Muscovite Nations
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Thu Mar 22, 2018 3:12 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Aellex wrote:Ban? I was promised by you a purge.
Are you betraying your engagement to the Committee, Camarade Bakery ?


What's wrong with Furries?
Furries are cool.

Image
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Mujahidah
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Postby Mujahidah » Thu Mar 22, 2018 3:13 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Aellex wrote:Ban? I was promised by you a purge.
Are you betraying your engagement to the Committee, Camarade Bakery ?


What's wrong with Furries?
Furries are cool.


>Furries
>Cool

Image
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Liriena
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Postby Liriena » Thu Mar 22, 2018 3:15 pm

Bakery Hill wrote:
Liriena wrote:Woof. :3

Oh yes, and ban the furries, almost forgot.

Well, good job, dude. You just split the movement.
be gay do crime


I am:
A pansexual, pantheist, green socialist
An aspiring writer and journalist
Political compass stuff:
Economic Left/Right: -8.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.92
For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
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Liriena
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Postby Liriena » Thu Mar 22, 2018 3:16 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Aellex wrote:Ban? I was promised by you a purge.
Are you betraying your engagement to the Committee, Camarade Bakery ?


What's wrong with Furries?
Furries are cool.

Ostro is now my comrade.
be gay do crime


I am:
A pansexual, pantheist, green socialist
An aspiring writer and journalist
Political compass stuff:
Economic Left/Right: -8.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.92
For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism,
cynicism


⚧Copy and paste this in your sig
if you passed biology and know
gender and sex aren't the same thing.⚧

I disown most of my previous posts

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Napkiraly
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Postby Napkiraly » Thu Mar 22, 2018 3:18 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Aellex wrote:Ban? I was promised by you a purge.
Are you betraying your engagement to the Committee, Camarade Bakery ?


What's wrong with Furries?
Furries are cool.

Zoophilia and plushophilia are over represented among Furries. I would make a favorable recommendation for Torquemada to be reborn to purge this blight.
Last edited by Napkiraly on Thu Mar 22, 2018 3:19 pm, edited 1 time in total.

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The Huskar Social Union
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Thu Mar 22, 2018 3:19 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Aellex wrote:Ban? I was promised by you a purge.
Are you betraying your engagement to the Committee, Camarade Bakery ?


What's wrong with Furries?
Furries are cool.

Ostro, stop.


Im putting the boot down!
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Ostroeuropa
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu Mar 22, 2018 3:23 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
What's wrong with Furries?
Furries are cool.

Image



Mujahidah wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
What's wrong with Furries?
Furries are cool.


>Furries
>Cool

Image


I've associated with a large number of internet subcultures while not being one, and observed on the edges.
I was briefly a rent enforcer on second life.
Furries treated me like one of their own and were friendly. They were tolerant of me so long as I was tolerant of them. They tended to not care for social norms or popular trends, I got introduced to a few subgenres of music and such, some good, some not. When I needed a posse to impress the serious nature of a debt (I found that turning up with a gang tended to result in more payments because of social pressure or some shit, despite us technically being able to terminate someones data if they didn't pay, we preferred to get paid than resort to it.) they were usually prepared to come along and act disciplined and part of the organization, despite not getting a cut.
They paid their rent on time, and were not problem tenants. One was a high ranking member of our organization, and I briefly had a crush on her but it went nowhere.

I've never had problems with them. They're odd, distinct, and inoffensive in terms of causing trouble. They keep themselves to themselves, and their cultural norms don't fuck things up for other people.
Ostro.MOV

There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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Bakery Hill
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Postby Bakery Hill » Thu Mar 22, 2018 3:25 pm

Liriena wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
What's wrong with Furries?
Furries are cool.

Ostro is now my comrade.

It is good to see MRAs and intersectional feminists can at least bond on this issue.
Founder of the Committee for Proletarian Morality - Winner of Best Communist Award 2018 - Godfather of NSG Syndicalism

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The Huskar Social Union
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Thu Mar 22, 2018 3:26 pm

Bakery Hill wrote:
Liriena wrote:Ostro is now my comrade.

It is good to see MRAs and intersectional feminists can at least bond on this issue.

Mens Rights and Feminism united through the cause of the Furries.
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"I never thought in terms of being a leader, i thought very simply in terms of helping people" - John Hume 1937 - 2020



I like Miniature painting, Tanks, English Gals, Video games and most importantly Cheese.


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Postby Bakery Hill » Thu Mar 22, 2018 3:27 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:It is good to see MRAs and intersectional feminists can at least bond on this issue.

Mens Rights and Feminism united through the cause of the Furries.

women aren't really oppressed
men aren't really oppressed
furries are oppressed
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Mujahidah
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Postby Mujahidah » Thu Mar 22, 2018 3:28 pm

Bakery Hill wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Mens Rights and Feminism united through the cause of the Furries.

women aren't really oppressed
men aren't really oppressed
furries are oppressed


People thinking they're weird doesnt mean they face institutional oppression. Next you're going to champion the cause of the Juggalos.
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The Parkus Empire wrote:I misjudged you, you are much more smarter than I gave you credit for.
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Bakery Hill
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Postby Bakery Hill » Thu Mar 22, 2018 3:29 pm

Mujahidah wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:women aren't really oppressed
men aren't really oppressed
furries are oppressed


People thinking they're weird doesnt mean they face institutional oppression. Next you're going to champion the cause of the Juggalos.

yes, their fondness for bad rap means they are also oppressed
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Ostroeuropa
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu Mar 22, 2018 3:30 pm

Bakery Hill wrote:
Mujahidah wrote:
People thinking they're weird doesnt mean they face institutional oppression. Next you're going to champion the cause of the Juggalos.

yes, their fondness for bad rap means they are also oppressed


Is there another type of rap?
Ostro.MOV

There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Thu Mar 22, 2018 3:30 pm

That's going in the NS copypasta folder along with Saiwania's love of Adobe Flash Player
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Ostroeuropa
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu Mar 22, 2018 3:31 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:That's going in the NS copypasta folder along with Saiwania's love of Adobe Flash Player


What is?
Ostro.MOV

There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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Bakery Hill
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Postby Bakery Hill » Thu Mar 22, 2018 3:31 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:yes, their fondness for bad rap means they are also oppressed


Is there another type of rap?

Please Ostro I can only make the rooms in the gulag so small.
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The Huskar Social Union
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Thu Mar 22, 2018 3:32 pm

Bakery Hill wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
Is there another type of rap?

Please Ostro I can only make the rooms in the gulag so small.

Rap is shit though.
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Postby Bakery Hill » Thu Mar 22, 2018 3:33 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Image



Mujahidah wrote:
>Furries
>Cool

Image


I've associated with a large number of internet subcultures while not being one, and observed on the edges.
I was briefly a rent enforcer on second life.
Furries treated me like one of their own and were friendly. They were tolerant of me so long as I was tolerant of them. They tended to not care for social norms or popular trends, I got introduced to a few subgenres of music and such, some good, some not. When I needed a posse to impress the serious nature of a debt (I found that turning up with a gang tended to result in more payments because of social pressure or some shit, despite us technically being able to terminate someones data if they didn't pay, we preferred to get paid than resort to it.) they were usually prepared to come along and act disciplined and part of the organization, despite not getting a cut.
They paid their rent on time, and were not problem tenants. One was a high ranking member of our organization, and I briefly had a crush on her but it went nowhere.

I've never had problems with them. They're odd, distinct, and inoffensive in terms of causing trouble. They keep themselves to themselves, and their cultural norms don't fuck things up for other people.

furry gang furry gang furry gang furry gang furry gang furry gang furry gang
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Bakery Hill
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Postby Bakery Hill » Thu Mar 22, 2018 3:34 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:Please Ostro I can only make the rooms in the gulag so small.

Rap is shit though.

"all they ever say is the n word and beating up on hoes and drugs"
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Ostroeuropa
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu Mar 22, 2018 3:34 pm

Mujahidah wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:women aren't really oppressed
men aren't really oppressed
furries are oppressed


People thinking they're weird doesnt mean they face institutional oppression. Next you're going to champion the cause of the Juggalos.


I disagree. I would argue that they along with several other subcultures face institutional oppression, where their adherence is discovered. It's one reason why the progressive abandonment of universalism in principle is suspect, it skews away from live and let live, general statements of liberal values, toward arguing for the empowerment of specific subgroups.

Useful at times, provided the outgroup is included in negotiations as an equal partner, but no panacea.
Ostro.MOV

There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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MERIZoC
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Postby MERIZoC » Thu Mar 22, 2018 3:35 pm

"Rap is all bad" is an attitude based in latent racism and classism, deriving from the believer's view that individuals that are part of such cultural circles are vile and inferior, dont @ me

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