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Postby New Emeline » Tue May 01, 2018 7:59 pm

Albrenia wrote:
New Emeline wrote:What?


There's a garden gnome in Left 4 Dead 2 (also in Half-Life, I believe) that you can take to rescue with you through the zombie horde. He is known as Gnome Chompsky.

That's funny.

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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Tue May 01, 2018 8:59 pm

New Emeline wrote:
Democratic Communist Federation wrote:I am a libertarian socialist with Spekr.

I don't like that one because you can manipulate what you get.

I think that's the point. I think they made it to be trasparant so you wouldn't get tripped up by loaded or biased questions.
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Postby Democratic Communist Federation » Tue May 01, 2018 9:04 pm

Valgora wrote:I don't like some of the questions it asks.


I agree that some of the questions are somewhat confusing. However, in my case, no matter which test I am taking, I get either libertarian communist, libertarian socialist, or left libertarian. I am not sure why I am getting similar results in all the tests when several people here are not.

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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Tue May 01, 2018 9:04 pm

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New Emeline wrote:I don't dislike the questions, but I think the direction it moves you in because of your answers can be incorrect.

It labeled me as democratic socialist, as in, screw all private property, but the state can stay, so long as we don’t get dictatorship. My problem is with the use of the term economic freedom, like seriously, the freedom to screw others over?

That's not what economic freedom is.
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Postby Albrenia » Tue May 01, 2018 10:20 pm

Spekr and 8values both rated me as a centre-left liberal, if I recall correctly. Don't remember the exact term 8values gave it though.

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Postby Jackania yugo » Tue May 01, 2018 11:13 pm

So let me get this straight. The left wing (you guys) hate social justice because it's a borguise plot, while the right wing hate it because apprantly it wants to help muslims take over the world.

Good it got beat into the ground by the skeptics I guess.
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Postby Albrenia » Tue May 01, 2018 11:19 pm

Jackania yugo wrote:So let me get this straight. The left wing (you guys) hate social justice because it's a borguise plot, while the right wing hate it because apprantly it wants to help muslims take over the world.

Good it got beat into the ground by the skeptics I guess.


Not sure if it's a plot or not, but more that it's tiresome, often silly and gives the other side plenty of ammunition.

Referring to 'SJW' type social justice. Not actual social justice, which has more to do with ending discrimination and unfair treatment as it stands today, without the whole 'reverse discrimination' or 'privilege points' bullshit.

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Postby Jelmatt » Tue May 01, 2018 11:51 pm

Jackania yugo wrote:So let me get this straight. The left wing (you guys) hate social justice because it's a borguise plot, while the right wing hate it because apprantly it wants to help muslims take over the world.

Good it got beat into the ground by the skeptics I guess.


I don't mean to be too rude, but do you talk about anything else?
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Wed May 02, 2018 12:10 am

Jackania yugo wrote:So let me get this straight. The left wing (you guys) hate social justice because it's a borguise plot, while the right wing hate it because apprantly it wants to help muslims take over the world.

Good it got beat into the ground by the skeptics I guess.


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Postby Reikoku » Wed May 02, 2018 1:28 am

Jackania yugo wrote:So let me get this straight. The left wing (you guys) hate social justice because it's a borguise plot, while the right wing hate it because apprantly it wants to help muslims take over the world.

Good it got beat into the ground by the skeptics I guess.


Can't we just talk about something else? There's more interesting things in the world and left-wing politics than social justice.

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Postby Gim » Wed May 02, 2018 3:02 am

Jelmatt wrote:
Jackania yugo wrote:So let me get this straight. The left wing (you guys) hate social justice because it's a borguise plot, while the right wing hate it because apprantly it wants to help muslims take over the world.

Good it got beat into the ground by the skeptics I guess.


I don't mean to be too rude, but do you talk about anything else?

Good one there.
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Postby Asmundia » Wed May 02, 2018 3:02 am

Jackania yugo wrote:So let me get this straight. The left wing (you guys) hate social justice because it's a borguise plot, while the right wing hate it because apprantly it wants to help muslims take over the world.

Good it got beat into the ground by the skeptics I guess.

Do you ever get tired of throwing cliche questions about the SJW or whatever that you don't even want answered in this thread?
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Postby Gim » Wed May 02, 2018 3:03 am

Asmundia wrote:
Jackania yugo wrote:So let me get this straight. The left wing (you guys) hate social justice because it's a borguise plot, while the right wing hate it because apprantly it wants to help muslims take over the world.

Good it got beat into the ground by the skeptics I guess.

Do you ever get tired of throwing cliche questions about the SJW or whatever that you don't even want answered in this thread?


Might be trolling, but I'm not going to say much.
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Postby The Grene Knyght » Wed May 02, 2018 4:52 am

Wow did we really get through LWDT4 in 2 months? Looks like the NSG left has really stepped up their game.
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Postby Torrocca » Wed May 02, 2018 4:53 am

The Grene Knyght wrote:Wow did we really get through LWDT4 in 2 months? Looks like the NSG left has really stepped up their game.


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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Wed May 02, 2018 4:53 am

The Grene Knyght wrote:Wow did we really get through LWDT4 in 2 months? Looks like the NSG left has really stepped up their game.

It's been 2 months?
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Postby The Grene Knyght » Wed May 02, 2018 4:54 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
The Grene Knyght wrote:Wow did we really get through LWDT4 in 2 months? Looks like the NSG left has really stepped up their game.

It's been 2 months?

Slightly less, but there's still 30 pages left to go.
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Postby Pilarcraft » Wed May 02, 2018 4:54 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
The Grene Knyght wrote:Wow did we really get through LWDT4 in 2 months? Looks like the NSG left has really stepped up their game.

It's been 2 months?

give or take. We're almost at the end of this one too... maybe in a couple weeks?
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Wed May 02, 2018 5:00 am

Jackania yugo wrote:So let me get this straight. The left wing (you guys) hate social justice because it's a borguise plot, while the right wing hate it because apprantly it wants to help muslims take over the world.

Good it got beat into the ground by the skeptics I guess.

Why do you sound like a strawman of a strawman?
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Wed May 02, 2018 5:02 am

Pilarcraft wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:It's been 2 months?

give or take. We're almost at the end of this one too... maybe in a couple weeks?

Time flies when you're having falangism.

Okay, that was a very bad pun that made no sense, but still.
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Postby West Leas Oros » Wed May 02, 2018 5:17 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Pilarcraft wrote:give or take. We're almost at the end of this one too... maybe in a couple weeks?

Time flies when you're having falangism.

Okay, that was a very bad pun that made no sense, but still.

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Postby Cekoviu » Wed May 02, 2018 6:11 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
New Emeline wrote:I don't like that one because you can manipulate what you get.

I think that's the point. I think they made it to be trasparant so you wouldn't get tripped up by loaded or biased questions.

And then they made all the questions loaded and biased, counteracting that.
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Wed May 02, 2018 6:19 am

Cekoviu wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:I think that's the point. I think they made it to be trasparant so you wouldn't get tripped up by loaded or biased questions.

And then they made all the questions loaded and biased, counteracting that.

True. Still, at least with transparent scoring, you know when you're getting taken for a ride unlike the political compass test. I'd rather biased but direct questions than the political compass test in which half the questions are more vague, confused and shifty than an inebriated mouse on pot.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Wed May 02, 2018 6:33 am

The Grene Knyght wrote:Wow did we really get through LWDT4 in 2 months? Looks like the NSG left has really stepped up their game.


It used to basically be the communist thread and be quite sniffy about moderates and unorthodox types. Now we are a very beautiful rainbow of degeneracy, and the pot of gold lies within us all.
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Postby Firaxin » Wed May 02, 2018 6:54 am

Spekr labeled me a social democrat. Except, I'm not a democrat. I would rather have an Autocracy.

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