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Was Trotsky Polyamorous?

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Postby Jelmatt » Tue May 01, 2018 5:37 pm

New Emeline wrote:50 internet points to anyone who gets this meme:


*raises hand*

I get it!

Geneviev wrote:
New Emeline wrote:50 internet points to anyone who gets this meme:

I don't get it. Bother to explain?


Chomsky came up with a linguistic theory that a key part of human language, and what separated it from animal speech, was the possibility of recursion, the idea that linguistic structures like adjectives, sub-clauses, etc., can be... sorta... repeated within themselves? I don't know, I'm terrible at explaining things, look it up... But in essence, I could, say, theoretically make a single noun clause of infinite length (I met a man who had a wife who hated a kid who ... forever and ever, adding more sub-clauses). It would be really goddamn hard to keep track of, but it would be grammatically correct. According to some reports, though, Pirahã, a language in Brazil, lacks recursion, which would make Chomsky's theory of universal grammar much shakier.
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Postby West Leas Oros » Tue May 01, 2018 5:38 pm

New Emeline wrote:50 internet points to anyone who gets this meme:

I can’t understand that meme, still trying to get over this.
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Postby New Emeline » Tue May 01, 2018 5:39 pm

West Leas Oros wrote:
New Emeline wrote:50 internet points to anyone who gets this meme:

I can’t understand that meme, still trying to get over this.
https://i.redd.it/jjh5w6dxuxgy.jpg

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Postby Liriena » Tue May 01, 2018 5:39 pm


Hell yes, comrade! :3
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Postby New Emeline » Tue May 01, 2018 5:39 pm

Jelmatt wrote:
New Emeline wrote:50 internet points to anyone who gets this meme:


*raises hand*

I get it!

50 internet points to you comrade!

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Postby Liriena » Tue May 01, 2018 5:54 pm

New Emeline wrote:50 internet points to anyone who gets this meme:

I saw Chomsky and I clapped.
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Postby New Emeline » Tue May 01, 2018 5:54 pm

Liriena wrote:
New Emeline wrote:50 internet points to anyone who gets this meme:

I saw Chomsky and I clapped.

but comrade, did you get the meme
I must know this in order to distribute the internet points

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Postby Liriena » Tue May 01, 2018 5:56 pm

New Emeline wrote:
Liriena wrote:I saw Chomsky and I clapped.

but comrade, did you get the meme
I must know this in order to distribute the internet points

I did not smh :(
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Postby New Emeline » Tue May 01, 2018 5:57 pm

Liriena wrote:
New Emeline wrote:but comrade, did you get the meme
I must know this in order to distribute the internet points

I did not smh :(

it's actually very interesting
just google Pirahã and go from there

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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Tue May 01, 2018 5:59 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:I can't tell if a pisstake swastika would be a good meme.

You know, making the Swastika shape, but out of the following sentences:

Jewish people should wear stars
Jews shouldn't run businesses
They are genetically weak
Let's gas all the jews

And have those phrases butted out of the swastika and replaced with:

Palestine is also a country
Mutilating children is wrong
Stun animals before slaughter
Israel is subject to international law

just throw it up and play Horst Wessel Lied whenever "ANTI SEMITISM!" is thrown out and encoruage people to identify as anti-semites in fits of laughter, we can make a montage of activists barely keeping a straight face as they go "I'm X and I'm an anti-sem-PpFhHAhAhhaaHAha". Maybe make a video with it.

Every time they throw out "That's anti-semitic" just have people laugh and throw out sieg heils and say "YEAH! We're anti-semites bro!"

Appropriation of bullshit demonization tactics has worked in the past, and if they keep misusing the phrase, then we should just go for it.

if they want to turn anti-semitism into a joke that makes the accuser look like a turd, then fine. That's their business.

Inspired by Iceland deciding that they couldn't go through with their decision to ban circumcision because Jewish lobbies wouldn't stop screaming about anti-semitism.

They want to rehabiltiate anti-semitism and make it a positive force for mankind? Fine. Let's go for it.

Jews aren't in danger of being gassed.
Children are in danger of being mutilated.
Fuck it. We owe them nothing in terms of leaving these terms and their context alone if they insist on abusing them.

The sieg heil shall become an eternal symbol of Jewish Lobbies insincerity and duplicity.

Apparently, anti-semitism means opposing barbarity and cruelty performed by jews.

WE Didn't make "Semite" synonymous with terrible things, they did, by insisting "Anti-semite" was such a positive thing for so long.

In modern english parlance, a Semite appears to be a child mutilating war criminal, not the same thing as a Jew.

Oof. I don't know about that. I'm strongly against infant circumcision, and whatever Israel is doing with its foreign policy, but making an entire movement out of being anti-semetic is a bit much. Especially since I could see it being very easily, very swiftly, and very strongly being co-opted by the alt-right and neo-Nazis. As someone who mirrored the count dankula nazi pug video and had it get 600 000 views, and looked at all of the comments, take it from me that there is no shortage of folks who genuinely hate Jews.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Tue May 01, 2018 6:02 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:I can't tell if a pisstake swastika would be a good meme.

You know, making the Swastika shape, but out of the following sentences:

Jewish people should wear stars
Jews shouldn't run businesses
They are genetically weak
Let's gas all the jews

And have those phrases butted out of the swastika and replaced with:

Palestine is also a country
Mutilating children is wrong
Stun animals before slaughter
Israel is subject to international law

just throw it up and play Horst Wessel Lied whenever "ANTI SEMITISM!" is thrown out and encoruage people to identify as anti-semites in fits of laughter, we can make a montage of activists barely keeping a straight face as they go "I'm X and I'm an anti-sem-PpFhHAhAhhaaHAha". Maybe make a video with it.

Every time they throw out "That's anti-semitic" just have people laugh and throw out sieg heils and say "YEAH! We're anti-semites bro!"

Appropriation of bullshit demonization tactics has worked in the past, and if they keep misusing the phrase, then we should just go for it.

if they want to turn anti-semitism into a joke that makes the accuser look like a turd, then fine. That's their business.

Inspired by Iceland deciding that they couldn't go through with their decision to ban circumcision because Jewish lobbies wouldn't stop screaming about anti-semitism.

They want to rehabiltiate anti-semitism and make it a positive force for mankind? Fine. Let's go for it.

Jews aren't in danger of being gassed.
Children are in danger of being mutilated.
Fuck it. We owe them nothing in terms of leaving these terms and their context alone if they insist on abusing them.

The sieg heil shall become an eternal symbol of Jewish Lobbies insincerity and duplicity.

Apparently, anti-semitism means opposing barbarity and cruelty performed by jews.

WE Didn't make "Semite" synonymous with terrible things, they did, by insisting "Anti-semite" was such a positive thing for so long.

In modern english parlance, a Semite appears to be a child mutilating war criminal, not the same thing as a Jew.

Oof. I don't know about that. I'm strongly against infant circumcision, and whatever Israel is doing with its foreign policy, but making an entire movement out of being anti-semetic is a bit much. Especially since I could see it being very easily, very swiftly, and very strongly being co-opted by the alt-right and neo-Nazis. As someone who mirrored the count dankula nazi pug video and had it get 600 000 views, and looked at all of the comments, take it from me that there is no shortage of folks who genuinely hate Jews.


Depends on how quick it spread. The number of people sick of Israels shit and sick of circumcision and such could swamp them.
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Postby New Emeline » Tue May 01, 2018 6:05 pm

Circumcision isn't just a Jewish thing though, is it?

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Tue May 01, 2018 6:08 pm

New Emeline wrote:Circumcision isn't just a Jewish thing though, is it?


It's usually blocked on the basis of it being anti-Semitic rather than anything else. Therefore overcoming accusations of anti-semitism or making the usage of the term ridiculous and powerless is the necessary step to take.
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Tue May 01, 2018 6:12 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Oof. I don't know about that. I'm strongly against infant circumcision, and whatever Israel is doing with its foreign policy, but making an entire movement out of being anti-semetic is a bit much. Especially since I could see it being very easily, very swiftly, and very strongly being co-opted by the alt-right and neo-Nazis. As someone who mirrored the count dankula nazi pug video and had it get 600 000 views, and looked at all of the comments, take it from me that there is no shortage of folks who genuinely hate Jews.


Depends on how quick it spread. The number of people sick of Israels shit and sick of circumcision and such could swamp them.

I highly doubt that. The alt-right has an insane knack for brigading and co-opting. Even if most of the movement doesn't take it to a Fascist or genuinely hateful place, you will without a doubt be branded by the media as neo-Nazis.
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Postby New Emeline » Tue May 01, 2018 6:13 pm

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Ostroeuropa wrote:
Depends on how quick it spread. The number of people sick of Israels shit and sick of circumcision and such could swamp them.

I highly doubt that. The alt-right has an insane knack for brigading and co-opting. Even if most of the movement doesn't take it to a Fascist or genuinely hateful place, you will without a doubt be branded by the media as neo-Nazis.

They got that from their predecessors. Nazis adopted a ton of weird pagan shit.

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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Tue May 01, 2018 6:13 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
New Emeline wrote:Circumcision isn't just a Jewish thing though, is it?


It's usually blocked on the basis of it being anti-Semitic rather than anything else. Therefore overcoming accusations of anti-semitism or making the usage of the term ridiculous and powerless is the necessary step to take.

The necessary step to take is simply convincing people that religious freedom doesn't override bodily autonomy.
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I literally spent the last hour listening to this while I went to HEB.
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Democratic Communist Federation wrote:I am a libertarian socialist with Spekr.

I don't like that one because you can manipulate what you get.

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Postby Democratic Communist Federation » Tue May 01, 2018 6:52 pm

New Emeline wrote:I don't like that one because you can manipulate what you get.


I just answered honestly. If I couldn't decide, I left it in the middle (undecided).
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Postby Valgora » Tue May 01, 2018 6:54 pm

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Democratic Communist Federation wrote:I am a libertarian socialist with Spekr.

I don't like that one because you can manipulate what you get.

I don't like some of the questions it asks.
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Postby Cekoviu » Tue May 01, 2018 6:57 pm

There is a thread for the Icelandic circumcision case, and I think it's still been active enough that going there wouldn't be gravedigging. As enthralling as this topic is to me, you might want to emigrate.
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Postby New Emeline » Tue May 01, 2018 6:58 pm

Valgora wrote:
New Emeline wrote:I don't like that one because you can manipulate what you get.

I don't like some of the questions it asks.

I don't dislike the questions, but I think the direction it moves you in because of your answers can be incorrect.

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Postby Valgora » Tue May 01, 2018 6:59 pm

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Valgora wrote:I don't like some of the questions it asks.

I don't dislike the questions, but I think the direction it moves you in because of your answers can be incorrect.

It seems to ignore that private property =/= personal property to a socialist.
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Postby New Emeline » Tue May 01, 2018 7:01 pm

Valgora wrote:
New Emeline wrote:I don't dislike the questions, but I think the direction it moves you in because of your answers can be incorrect.

It seems to ignore that private property =/= personal property to a socialist.

Yeah.

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