Left Wing Discussion Thread IV: Oh Hai Marx

by **West Leas Oros** » Tue May 01, 2018 3:59 pm

Valgora wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Happy May Day!

It's actually kinda weird that the US doesn't celebrate Labor Day on May Day.
Because International Workers' Day was created to commemorate the Haymarket riot in Chicago.
I don't remember why the US's actual Labor Day is on the first Monday of September.

Anyways....

HAPPY FUCKIN' INTERNATIONAL WORKERS' DAY

how about some celebratory music?

by **Genivaria** » Tue May 01, 2018 4:00 pm

Valgora wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Happy May Day!

It's actually kinda weird that the US doesn't celebrate Labor Day on May Day.
Because International Workers' Day was created to commemorate the Haymarket riot in Chicago.
I don't remember why the US's actual Labor Day is on the first Monday of September.

Anyways....

HAPPY FUCKIN' INTERNATIONAL WORKERS' DAY!

Red Scare remember?

by **Valgora** » Tue May 01, 2018 4:02 pm

West Leas Oros wrote:
Valgora wrote:It's actually kinda weird that the US doesn't celebrate Labor Day on May Day.
Because International Workers' Day was created to commemorate the Haymarket riot in Chicago.
I don't remember why the US's actual Labor Day is on the first Monday of September.

Anyways....

HAPPY FUCKIN' INTERNATIONAL WORKERS' DAY

how about some celebratory music?

I've got something much better: "Solidarity Forever" sung by Utah Phillips

by **Valgora** » Tue May 01, 2018 4:04 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Valgora wrote:It's actually kinda weird that the US doesn't celebrate Labor Day on May Day.
Because International Workers' Day was created to commemorate the Haymarket riot in Chicago.
I don't remember why the US's actual Labor Day is on the first Monday of September.

Anyways....

HAPPY FUCKIN' INTERNATIONAL WORKERS' DAY!

Red Scare remember?

Yea, good point.

by **Ostroeuropa** » Tue May 01, 2018 4:05 pm

I can't tell if a pisstake swastika would be a good meme.

You know, making the Swastika shape, but out of the following sentences:

Jewish people should wear stars
Jews shouldn't run businesses
They are genetically weak
Let's gas all the jews

And have those phrases butted out of the swastika and replaced with:

Palestine is also a country
Mutilating children is wrong
Stun animals before slaughter
Israel is subject to international law

just throw it up and play Horst Wessel Lied whenever "ANTI SEMITISM!" is thrown out and encoruage people to identify as anti-semites in fits of laughter, we can make a montage of activists barely keeping a straight face as they go "I'm X and I'm an anti-sem-PpFhHAhAhhaaHAha". Maybe make a video with it.

Every time they throw out "That's anti-semitic" just have people laugh and throw out sieg heils and say "YEAH! We're anti-semites bro!"

Appropriation of bullshit demonization tactics has worked in the past, and if they keep misusing the phrase, then we should just go for it.

if they want to turn anti-semitism into a joke that makes the accuser look like a turd, then fine. That's their business.

Inspired by Iceland deciding that they couldn't go through with their decision to ban circumcision because Jewish lobbies wouldn't stop screaming about anti-semitism.

They want to rehabiltiate anti-semitism and make it a positive force for mankind? Fine. Let's go for it.

Jews aren't in danger of being gassed.
Children are in danger of being mutilated.
Fuck it. We owe them nothing in terms of leaving these terms and their context alone if they insist on abusing them.

The sieg heil shall become an eternal symbol of Jewish Lobbies insincerity and duplicity.

Apparently, anti-semitism means opposing barbarity and cruelty performed by jews.

WE Didn't make "Semite" synonymous with terrible things, they did, by insisting "Anti-semite" was such a positive thing for so long.

In modern english parlance, a Semite appears to be a child mutilating war criminal, not the same thing as a Jew.

by **Torrocca** » Tue May 01, 2018 4:08 pm

HAPPY WORKERS' DAY COMRADES

by **Jelmatt** » Tue May 01, 2018 4:34 pm

Dammit, a little late to the celebration. Comes with time zone, I suppose.

Aaanyway, yeah, happy international workers' day.

by **Rostavykhan** » Tue May 01, 2018 4:41 pm

I was wondering when the May Day posts would start

by **Cekoviu** » Tue May 01, 2018 4:44 pm

Have an economically free May Day, everybody! :^)

by **Albrenia** » Tue May 01, 2018 4:47 pm

Would it be counter productive to make Worker's Day a holiday?

Because then people wouldn't work on Worker's Day.

by **Valgora** » Tue May 01, 2018 4:48 pm

Albrenia wrote:Would it be counter productive to make Worker's Day a holiday?

Because then people wouldn't work on Worker's Day.

No, it ain't counter productive to make International Workers' Day (or any country's labor day) a holiday where the workers don't work.

That's like saying the weekend is counter productive because (most) people don't work on the weekends.

by **Jelmatt** » Tue May 01, 2018 4:51 pm

Albrenia wrote:Would it be counter productive to make Worker's Day a holiday?

Because then people wouldn't work on Worker's Day.

I mean... no? The point isn't celebrating work.

by **Albrenia** » Tue May 01, 2018 4:52 pm

In that case, yaaay Worker's Day!

by **Aillyria** » Tue May 01, 2018 4:53 pm

Democratic Communist Federation wrote:
Aillyria wrote:I'm gonna be completely honest and admit I haven't the slightest clue as to what post-modernism or post-structuralism even are.

They are very different and yet frequently confused with one another. Postmodernism is the questioning of Enlightenment rationalism. Poststructuralism is a critique of structural linguistics. Now, it would take a long time to explain structural linguistics, and I am getting ready for bed.

Ok, for post-modernism, in what manner does it question the rationale of the Enlightenment?

As for Post-Structuralism, I'd be very interested in that. I'm quite knowledgeable on several fields of linguistics, including linguistic relativism a la the Whorf-Sapir Hypothesis.

by **Genivaria** » Tue May 01, 2018 4:53 pm

Torrocca wrote:HAPPY WORKERS' DAY COMRADES

The Union Makes Us STRONG!

by **Kubra** » Tue May 01, 2018 4:54 pm

Albrenia wrote:Would it be counter productive to make Worker's Day a holiday?

Because then people wouldn't work on Worker's Day.

You're not supposed to work on international workers day.

by **Ostroeuropa** » Tue May 01, 2018 4:56 pm

Kubra wrote:
Albrenia wrote:Would it be counter productive to make Worker's Day a holiday?

Because then people wouldn't work on Worker's Day.
You're not supposed to work on international workers day.

Pssst.
Secret socialist plot.

MANDATORY no holidays on workers day, instead, the profits of the company for that day must be divided appropriately as a form of working-holiday-bonus-celebration.

Its just one day, no worries capitalists.

(The workers realize how screwed they are)

by **Genivaria** » Tue May 01, 2018 4:57 pm

Kubra wrote:
Albrenia wrote:Would it be counter productive to make Worker's Day a holiday?

Because then people wouldn't work on Worker's Day.
You're not supposed to work on international workers day.

That's why it's not openly celebrated in the US, where even calling in sick gets you shamed by your boss.

by **New Emeline** » Tue May 01, 2018 5:05 pm

Wait, people celebrate May Day on the mainland too?

by **Kubra** » Tue May 01, 2018 5:06 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Kubra wrote: You're not supposed to work on international workers day.

That's why it's not openly celebrated in the US, where even calling in sick gets you shamed by your boss.

Nah we do celebrate a "labour day" and it is a proper holiday, usually.
Mostly a political stunt, may 1st was too socialist but a holiday is a holiday

by **Jelmatt** » Tue May 01, 2018 5:17 pm

Aillyria wrote:
Democratic Communist Federation wrote:
They are very different and yet frequently confused with one another. Postmodernism is the questioning of Enlightenment rationalism. Poststructuralism is a critique of structural linguistics. Now, it would take a long time to explain structural linguistics, and I am getting ready for bed.

Ok, for post-modernism, in what manner does it question the rationale of the Enlightenment?

As for Post-Structuralism, I'd be very interested in that. I'm quite knowledgeable on several fields of linguistics, including linguistic relativism a la the Whorf-Sapir Hypothesis.

I'm not sure what DCF was talking about with post-structuralism critiquing structural linguistics. Post-structuralism, as far as I can tell, isn't really a school of linguistics in the same way structural linguistics is... I've actually never heard post-structuralism in relation to linguistics, except maaaaaybe philosophy of language. I've always heard it used to refer to literary and art criticism, primarily, though I'm sure not exclusively.

by **Kubra** » Tue May 01, 2018 5:24 pm

Jelmatt wrote:
Aillyria wrote:Ok, for post-modernism, in what manner does it question the rationale of the Enlightenment?

As for Post-Structuralism, I'd be very interested in that. I'm quite knowledgeable on several fields of linguistics, including linguistic relativism a la the Whorf-Sapir Hypothesis.

I'm not sure what DCF was talking about with post-structuralism critiquing structural linguistics. Post-structuralism, as far as I can tell, isn't really a school of linguistics in the same way structural linguistics is... I've actually never heard post-structuralism in relation to linguistics, except maaaaaybe philosophy of language. I've always heard it used to refer to literary and art criticism, primarily, though I'm sure not exclusively.

There's post-structural criminology, post-structural archeology, post-structural whatever-have you, in the same way that there was with structural. It's merely a matter of applying higher theory to lower theory.
IIRC DCF's academic career has something to do with linguistics, so that's what he'd be familiar with. You mostly hear of this stuff in literary and art criticism because, well, what doesn't flourish there?

by **New Emeline** » Tue May 01, 2018 5:33 pm

50 internet points to anyone who gets this meme:

by **Geneviev** » Tue May 01, 2018 5:35 pm

New Emeline wrote:50 internet points to anyone who gets this meme:
(Image)

I don't get it. Bother to explain?

by **New Emeline** » Tue May 01, 2018 5:36 pm

Geneviev wrote:
New Emeline wrote:50 internet points to anyone who gets this meme:
(Image)

I don't get it. Bother to explain?

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2007 ... erpreter-2

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