Left Wing Discussion Thread IV: Oh Hai Marx

[Kubra]

You mean Fukuyama? Fukuyama is a post-modernist?

No. Actually, I guess the phrase they used was "death of metanarratives" or something like that, but it is sort of similar to "the End of History". But just as Nietzsche said that God was dead, but he really meant it metaphorically as saying that he and other people of his time no longer believed in God, postmodernists seem to have a similar attitude regarding the idea of historical progress.

Except end of history is a metanarrative par excellence. If you mean death of metanarratives, please state so earlier.
That appears to be the case. So what is your point of disagreement?

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The other reflexively relating to the subject as a self-for-itself, which we may call a desein or οἶκος, in the process becoming a discursive in-itself.

i am far too dumb for this

[Kubra]

The other reflexively relating to the subject as a self-for-itself, which we may call a desein or οἶκος, in the process becoming a discursive in-itself.

i am far too dumb for this

the greek is a brand name of a yogurt.

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i'm sorry can you repeat that i temporarily lost the ability to read

Modernism constructs a worldview based on essentially rationalist outlooks - things progress logically, reasonably, coherently.

Postmodernism deconstructs that, viewing society's structures and strictures as essentially chaotic and meaningless globs of circumstance that we rationalize as coherent.

Okay that makes sense.
I'm starting to think philosophers have a habit of using ten words when they could use one.

[Conserative Morality]

Okay that makes sense.
I'm starting to think philosophers have a habit of using ten words when they could use one.

When you get deep enough into any discipline, the complexities of jargon multiply in order to examine matters on an increasingly minute level. It's just the nature of the beast we call knowledge.

[Bienenhalde]

Except end of history is a metanarrative par excellence. If you mean death of metanarratives, please state so earlier.
That appears to be the case. So what is your point of disagreement?

I was defending Irou's original statement about Postmodernism. He was right in the sense that I explained.

[Liriena]

Postmodernism in a broad sense is a reaction against rationalist conceptions of modernism ie instead of the hyperrational assumptions of things like "Capitalism or Communism will be the ultimate victors because of their superior structure", or of the conclusions of academic disciplines without context, postmodernism considers the world as making much less sense than any rationalist conception. It's essentially questioning the valuations of modernity - while its not traditionalist, it's skeptical of materialism in the same way that modern traditionalists generally are.

i'm sorry can you repeat that i temporarily lost the ability to read

Put simply, post-modernism looked at the great modern narratives (particularly the universalism of modernist philosophy) and said "that's all a bunch of nonsense".

To give you an example of post-modernism: post-modern feminism would be the feminism that points out the fact that there is no "universal" form of womanhood, and that past feminisms wrongly presented themselves as all-encompassing when in fact they reflected the particularities of a limited group of women, rather than all women everywhere.

[Kubra]

Okay that makes sense.
I'm starting to think philosophers have a habit of using ten words when they could use one.

When you get deep enough into any discipline, the complexities of jargon multiply in order to examine matters on an increasingly minute level. It's just the nature of the beast we call knowledge.

Meh, it's a continental problem. Anglo philosophy has one defining advantage, and it is that once you learn a term you can think yourself fairly safe in using it.

[Kubra]

Except end of history is a metanarrative par excellence. If you mean death of metanarratives, please state so earlier.
That appears to be the case. So what is your point of disagreement?

I was defending Irou's original statement about Postmodernism. He was right in the sense that I explained.

Well, you seem to have some hostility towards a distrust to meta-narratives. I'm simply asking you elaborate on such.

[Thoulanshic]

I think Irou is mentally ill

[Conserative Morality]

When you get deep enough into any discipline, the complexities of jargon multiply in order to examine matters on an increasingly minute level. It's just the nature of the beast we call knowledge.

Meh, it's a continental problem. Anglo philosophy has one defining advantage, and it is that once you learn a term you can think yourself fairly safe in using it.

>> thinking 'Anglo philosophy' means anything anymore

M8 the Anglos died before modernism was even a twinkle in the West's eye.

[Liriena]

Okay that makes sense.
I'm starting to think philosophers have a habit of using ten words when they could use one.

When you get deep enough into any discipline, the complexities of jargon multiply in order to examine matters on an increasingly minute level. It's just the nature of the beast we call knowledge.

Pretty much, although post-modernist and post-structuralist philosophers are rather infamous for being purposefully difficult reads.

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I think Irou is mentally ill

I think saying that may be against the site's rules

[Kubra]

Meh, it's a continental problem. Anglo philosophy has one defining advantage, and it is that once you learn a term you can think yourself fairly safe in using it.

>> thinking 'Anglo philosophy' means anything anymore

M8 the Anglos died before modernism was even a twinkle in the West's eye.

It means something insofar as anglos are the only ones still indulging in truth-tabled autismo. Bless them for it, as the germans won't give us any more of that these days.

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>> thinking 'Anglo philosophy' means anything anymore

M8 the Anglos died before modernism was even a twinkle in the West's eye.

It means something insofar as anglos are the only ones still indulging in truth-tabled autismo. Bless them for it, as the germans won't give us any more of that these days.

what does anglo actually mean in a practical sense

[Conserative Morality]

When you get deep enough into any discipline, the complexities of jargon multiply in order to examine matters on an increasingly minute level. It's just the nature of the beast we call knowledge.

Pretty much, although post-modernist and post-structuralist philosophers are rather infamous for being purposefully difficult reads.

In part that's because deconstructing an entire civilization's worth of pre-conceptions is a herculean task.

In part that's because post-modernists have a tendency to be assholes. The original trolls.

[Kubra]

It means something insofar as anglos are the only ones still indulging in truth-tabled autismo. Bless them for it, as the germans won't give us any more of that these days.

what does anglo actually mean in a practical sense

Anglophone, english speaker. In this case the philosophy that was seen to predominate among english-speaking intellectual circles, which happens to include quite a few germans.

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what does anglo actually mean in a practical sense

Anglophone, english speaker. In this case the philosophy that was seen to predominate among english-speaking intellectual circles, which happens to include quite a few germans.

Ah, gotcha

[Liriena]

Pretty much, although post-modernist and post-structuralist philosophers are rather infamous for being purposefully difficult reads.

In part that's because deconstructing an entire civilization's worth of pre-conceptions is a herculean task.

In part that's because post-modernists have a tendency to be assholes. The original trolls.

"Here's my first draft; raw, rambling, often incoherent, unsourced, and utterly unedited. Publish it as is and suck it, nerds." - every post-modernist author ever

[Kubra]

Anglophone, english speaker. In this case the philosophy that was seen to predominate among english-speaking intellectual circles, which happens to include quite a few germans.

Ah, gotcha

I've always thought Bertrand Russell to be a good introduction to philosophy, despite his very deep biases that change over periods, but he writes accessibly. His handbook "the problems of philosophy" is a good primer for folks who don't expect to take the deep dive but still want an idea what the fuck is going on.

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Ah, gotcha

I've always thought Bertrand Russell to be a good introduction to philosophy, despite his very deep biases that change over periods, but he writes accessibly. His handbook "the problems of philosophy" is a good primer for folks who don't expect to take the deep dive but still want an idea what the fuck is going on.

For some reason I always confuse Bertrand Russell for Russell Brand

[Kubra]

I've always thought Bertrand Russell to be a good introduction to philosophy, despite his very deep biases that change over periods, but he writes accessibly. His handbook "the problems of philosophy" is a good primer for folks who don't expect to take the deep dive but still want an idea what the fuck is going on.

For some reason I always confuse Bertrand Russell for Russell Brand

You definitely do not want to do that. I do not want to imagine either scenario, bertrand russell as a funny sounding actor and russell brand as rambling old dude denying that smoking gives cancer

[Liriena]

I've always thought Bertrand Russell to be a good introduction to philosophy, despite his very deep biases that change over periods, but he writes accessibly. His handbook "the problems of philosophy" is a good primer for folks who don't expect to take the deep dive but still want an idea what the fuck is going on.

For some reason I always confuse Bertrand Russell for Russell Brand

Russell Brand is the Bertrand Russell of our generation. ;D

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For some reason I always confuse Bertrand Russell for Russell Brand

You definitely do not want to do that. I do not want to imagine either scenario, bertrand russell as a funny sounding actor and russell brand as rambling old dude denying that smoking gives cancer

I know the actual difference
I just get them mixed up some times
Like Ayn Rand and Rand Paul and Paul Ryan

[Kubra]

You definitely do not want to do that. I do not want to imagine either scenario, bertrand russell as a funny sounding actor and russell brand as rambling old dude denying that smoking gives cancer

I know the actual difference
I just get them mixed up some times
Like Ayn Rand and Rand Paul and Paul Ryan

well I mean that's not that great a leap there am i right or am i right