Left Wing Discussion Thread IV: Oh Hai Marx

[Liriena]

http://www.laizquierdadiario.com/Caida-libre-cada-vez-mas-encuestas-marcan-la-declinacion-de-la-imagen-del-Gobierno

Welp, he doin' it. Macri is turning us Argies into a bunch anarchists.

The gist of this article, from the Worker's Left Front own news outlet, is that not only are Macri and his administration increasingly unpopular, no only is he widely perceived as corrupt, not only are most people at least somewhat opposed to his neoliberal policies (recently there were a series of substantial price hikes on public services, including public transport and electricity; and that's without mentioning pensions reform and labour reform)... but a large majority of the population apparently reject the political bipolarity being pushed by the two major coalitions and distrust all authority (including the political system, the judiciary, the media and the Church).

Crossing fingers for a Myriam Bregman surge.

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are you memeing or for real

For real this time
I hate porn, fast food, atheism and shit like that it destroyed men and culture most men can't are not even qualifiable for war anymore and the men/women that go in the military fight for something that doesn't exist anymore

[Kubra]

well I mean how else could american art compete heyoooooo

What about the Hudson River School and the other great American landscape painters of the 19th century?

Landscapes? How entry level. Is this the best America can do?

[Bienenhalde]

>keeping slaves

Slavery was mostly in the south. Puritans settled in the north. Also, the Abolitionist movement arose out of the Second Great Awakening.

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What about the Hudson River School and the other great American landscape painters of the 19th century?

Landscapes? How entry level. Is this the best America can do?

John Singer Sargent

[Jelmatt]

But drinking alcohol is un-American. The United States has lost its real culture to worthless and degenerate consumerism ever since we repealed prohibition.

Its more than consumerism that's killed culture nihilism, post-modernism, deconstruction the deconstructionists say that history is done and art can be anything American culture has been aborted before it was even born

Isn't post-modernism literally opposed to the idea that history has some kind of end or final goal to work towards

[Valgora]

Again i never said that American culture is monolithic. I don’t know where you people keep getting these idea from. And those are all subcultures within American cultural.

And because we can regarding the food bit. You leave the bad bits behind and we’ll Borg the good stuff. See St Pats Day, and 5th of May in the US. Both have been americanized and turned into excuses to drink

But drinking alcohol is un-American. The United States has lost its real culture to worthless and degenerate consumerism ever since we repealed prohibition.

Drinking alcohol is very American.
The US had it's culture enhanced by alcohol.

[Liriena]

Its more than consumerism that's killed culture nihilism, post-modernism, deconstruction the deconstructionists say that history is done and art can be anything American culture has been aborted before it was even born

Isn't post-modernism literally opposed to the idea that history has some kind of end or final goal to work towards

...yeaaaaaah, pretty much.

[Kubra]

But drinking alcohol is un-American. The United States has lost its real culture to worthless and degenerate consumerism ever since we repealed prohibition.

Drinking alcohol is very American.
The US had it's culture enhanced by alcohol.

Really now can anyone think of anything of value produced by teetotallers

[Valgora]

Drinking alcohol is very American.
The US had it's culture enhanced by alcohol.

Really now can anyone think of anything of value produced by teetotallers

Unless the person did drink before quitting (i.e. most of the members of Metallica - they were nicknamed Alcoholica back in the day), no.

[Bienenhalde]

Its more than consumerism that's killed culture nihilism, post-modernism, deconstruction the deconstructionists say that history is done and art can be anything American culture has been aborted before it was even born

Isn't post-modernism literally opposed to the idea that history has some kind of end or final goal to work towards

Yes. The phrase "the End of History" is used by postmodernists as a metaphorical expression of this view.

[Kubra]

Isn't post-modernism literally opposed to the idea that history has some kind of end or final goal to work towards

Yes. The phrase "the End of History" is used by postmodernists as a metaphorical expression of this view.

You mean Fukuyama? Fukuyama is a post-modernist?

[Aillyria]

I'm gonna be completely honest and admit I haven't the slightest clue as to what post-modernism or post-structuralism even are.

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I'm gonna be completely honest and admit I haven't the slightest clue as to what post-modernism or post-structuralism even are.

same here

[Jelmatt]

Isn't post-modernism literally opposed to the idea that history has some kind of end or final goal to work towards

Yes. The phrase "the End of History" is used by postmodernists as a metaphorical expression of this view.

"The End of History" was Fukuyama's phrase. Fukuyama was the epitome of a modernist.

[Valgora]

I'm gonna be completely honest and admit I haven't the slightest clue as to what post-modernism or post-structuralism even are.

Two things you should know:

1. Post-Modernism ain't good

2. Almost anything that has the word "Post-" in front of it probably ain't good.

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I'm gonna be completely honest and admit I haven't the slightest clue as to what post-modernism or post-structuralism even are.

Two things you should know:

1. Post-Modernism ain't good

2. Almost anything that has the word "Post-" in front of it probably ain't good.

Post office?

[Valgora]

Two things you should know:

1. Post-Modernism ain't good

2. Almost anything that has the word "Post-" in front of it probably ain't good.

Post office?

Yes.

It can be like the DMV for mail many days.
It performs a needed service, but it still ain't that good.

[Conserative Morality]

I'm gonna be completely honest and admit I haven't the slightest clue as to what post-modernism or post-structuralism even are.

Postmodernism in a broad sense is a reaction against rationalist conceptions of modernism ie instead of the hyperrational assumptions of things like "Capitalism or Communism will be the ultimate victors because of their superior structure", or of the conclusions of academic disciplines without context, postmodernism considers the world as making much less sense than any rationalist conception. It's essentially questioning the valuations of modernity - while its not traditionalist, it's skeptical of materialism in the same way that modern traditionalists generally are.

[Kubra]

"post-modernism" (not to be confused with postmodernity) is, in simplest terms, thought after modernism, representing a shift away from more formalistic systems of thought and universalist values towards more "fluid" systems and subjective interpretation. That states, well, in a nutsack.
post-structuralism generally refers to the thought of Foucault, who is seen as having moved past the structuralism of his former teacher, Althusser. In simplest terms, Althusser thought social values and practices and such in terms of structures, both figuratively and in almost literal terms (big guy on base vs. superstructure), while Foucault chose for his method "archeologies" and "genealogies" by which ideas and practices and discourses and so on are generated.

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I'm gonna be completely honest and admit I haven't the slightest clue as to what post-modernism or post-structuralism even are.

Postmodernism in a broad sense is a reaction against rationalist conceptions of modernism ie instead of the hyperrational assumptions of things like "Capitalism or Communism will be the ultimate victors because of their superior structure", or of the conclusions of academic disciplines without context, postmodernism considers the world as making much less sense than any rationalist conception. It's essentially questioning the valuations of modernity - while its not traditionalist, it's skeptical of materialism in the same way that modern traditionalists generally are.

i'm sorry can you repeat that i temporarily lost the ability to read

[United Muscovite Nations]

"post-modernism" (not to be confused with postmodernity) is, in simplest terms, thought after modernism, representing a shift away from more formalistic systems of thought and universalist values towards more "fluid" systems and subjective interpretation. That states, well, in a nutsack.
post-structuralism generally refers to the thought of Foucault, who is seen as having moved past the structuralism of his former teacher, Althusser. In simplest terms, Althusser thought social values and practices and such in terms of structures, both figuratively and in almost literal terms (big guy on base vs. superstructure), while Foucault chose for his method "archeologies" and "genealogies" by which ideas and practices and discourses and so on are generated.

What about big guy 4 you vs superstructure?

[Kubra]

Postmodernism in a broad sense is a reaction against rationalist conceptions of modernism ie instead of the hyperrational assumptions of things like "Capitalism or Communism will be the ultimate victors because of their superior structure", or of the conclusions of academic disciplines without context, postmodernism considers the world as making much less sense than any rationalist conception. It's essentially questioning the valuations of modernity - while its not traditionalist, it's skeptical of materialism in the same way that modern traditionalists generally are.

i'm sorry can you repeat that i temporarily lost the ability to read

The other reflexively relating to the subject as a self-for-itself, which we may call a desein or οἶκος, in the process becoming a discursive in-itself.

[Bienenhalde]

Yes. The phrase "the End of History" is used by postmodernists as a metaphorical expression of this view.

You mean Fukuyama? Fukuyama is a post-modernist?

No. Actually, I guess the phrase they used was "death of metanarratives" or something like that, but it is sort of similar to "the End of History". But just as Nietzsche said that God was dead, but he really meant it metaphorically as saying that he and other people of his time no longer believed in God, postmodernists seem to have a similar attitude regarding the idea of historical progress.

[Conserative Morality]

Postmodernism in a broad sense is a reaction against rationalist conceptions of modernism ie instead of the hyperrational assumptions of things like "Capitalism or Communism will be the ultimate victors because of their superior structure", or of the conclusions of academic disciplines without context, postmodernism considers the world as making much less sense than any rationalist conception. It's essentially questioning the valuations of modernity - while its not traditionalist, it's skeptical of materialism in the same way that modern traditionalists generally are.

i'm sorry can you repeat that i temporarily lost the ability to read

Modernism constructs a worldview based on essentially rationalist outlooks - things progress logically, reasonably, coherently.

Postmodernism deconstructs that, viewing society's structures and strictures as essentially chaotic and meaningless globs of circumstance that we rationalize as coherent.