Left Wing Discussion Thread IV: Oh Hai Marx

[Oil exporting People]

I disagree, we've had our own culture since at least the early 1800s.

I would say that American culture began to develop with the arrival of the first slave ships. American culture is, sadly, based upon cheap (even free) labor.

Which ignores the fact Slavery played very little in developing the majority of the nation. Also, for a Communist to equate economics with culture is odd.

[Torrocca]

I would say that American culture began to develop with the arrival of the first slave ships. American culture is, sadly, based upon cheap (even free) labor.

Which ignores the fact Slavery played very little in developing the majority of the nation. Also, for a Communist to equate economics with culture is odd.

Uh, the slave states were by and large larger than the non-slave states, and slavery most certainly did have an effect in developing the culture of the majority of the nation. The majority of internalized conflicts between states grew off the back of slave-related issues up until 1865, even.

[Benuty]

Which ignores the fact Slavery played very little in developing the majority of the nation. Also, for a Communist to equate economics with culture is odd.

Uh, the slave states were, by and large, larger than the non-slave states, and slavery most certainly did have an effect in developing the culture of the majority of the nation. The majority of internalized conflicts between states grew off the back of slave-related issues up until 1865, even.

I will say this Lincoln wasn't wrong about his ideas of what to do with all those freed slaves as he knew only an idiot would see freed slaves, and their former masters getting along well. He got a bullet for his troubles and was proven right every single step of the way.

[Oil exporting People]

Which ignores the fact Slavery played very little in developing the majority of the nation. Also, for a Communist to equate economics with culture is odd.

Uh, the slave states were by and large larger than the non-slave states, and slavery most certainly did have an effect in developing the culture of the majority of the nation. The majority of internalized conflicts between states grew off the back of slave-related issues up until 1865, even.

What exactly do you mean by larger? In size, GDP, what? As for the country as a whole, most definitely not.

[Torrocca]

Uh, the slave states were by and large larger than the non-slave states, and slavery most certainly did have an effect in developing the culture of the majority of the nation. The majority of internalized conflicts between states grew off the back of slave-related issues up until 1865, even.

What exactly do you mean by larger? In size, GDP, what? As for the country as a whole, most definitely not.

Por que no los dos?

[Aillyria]

I disagree, we've had our own culture since at least the early 1800s.

I would say that American culture began to develop with the arrival of the first slave ships. American culture is, sadly, based upon cheap (even free) labor.

That is terribly reductionist. Especially considering the colonies, at least some of them, existed before the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade began.

[Torrocca]

I would say that American culture began to develop with the arrival of the first slave ships. American culture is, sadly, based upon cheap (even free) labor.

That is terribly reductionist. Especially considering the colonies, at least some of them, existed before the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade began.

That's wrong. The Transatlantic slave trade began in the early 16th century and the first permanent English colony in the Americas (Jamestown) wasn't established until the beginning of the 17th century; they had slaves from the very beginning.

[Aillyria]

That is terribly reductionist. Especially considering the colonies, at least some of them, existed before the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade began.

That's wrong. The Transatlantic slave trade began in the early 16th century and the first permanent English colony in the Americas (Jamestown) wasn't established until the beginning of the 17th century; they had slaves from the very beginning.

Hmm...touché

Still, reducing American culture to "lol slavery", is ridiculous.

[Bienenhalde]

Again i never said that American culture is monolithic. I don’t know where you people keep getting these idea from. And those are all subcultures within American cultural.

And because we can regarding the food bit. You leave the bad bits behind and we’ll Borg the good stuff. See St Pats Day, and 5th of May in the US. Both have been americanized and turned into excuses to drink

But drinking alcohol is un-American. The United States has lost its real culture to worthless and degenerate consumerism ever since we repealed prohibition.

[Cekoviu]

Again i never said that American culture is monolithic. I don’t know where you people keep getting these idea from. And those are all subcultures within American cultural.

And because we can regarding the food bit. You leave the bad bits behind and we’ll Borg the good stuff. See St Pats Day, and 5th of May in the US. Both have been americanized and turned into excuses to drink

But drinking alcohol is un-American. The United States has lost its real culture to worthless and degenerate consumerism ever since we repealed prohibition.

wat

[Kubra]

Again i never said that American culture is monolithic. I don’t know where you people keep getting these idea from. And those are all subcultures within American cultural.

And because we can regarding the food bit. You leave the bad bits behind and we’ll Borg the good stuff. See St Pats Day, and 5th of May in the US. Both have been americanized and turned into excuses to drink

But drinking alcohol is un-American. The United States has lost its real culture to worthless and degenerate consumerism ever since we repealed prohibition.

>ever since we repealed prohibition
so did it have it before prohibition or did it only have it for the period of prohibition

[The East Marches II]

That is terribly reductionist. Especially considering the colonies, at least some of them, existed before the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade began.

That's wrong. The Transatlantic slave trade began in the early 16th century and the first permanent English colony in the Americas (Jamestown) wasn't established until the beginning of the 17th century; they had slaves from the very beginning.

>He doesn't know about new Amsterdam

[Irou]

Again i never said that American culture is monolithic. I don’t know where you people keep getting these idea from. And those are all subcultures within American cultural.

And because we can regarding the food bit. You leave the bad bits behind and we’ll Borg the good stuff. See St Pats Day, and 5th of May in the US. Both have been americanized and turned into excuses to drink

But drinking alcohol is un-American. The United States has lost its real culture to worthless and degenerate consumerism ever since we repealed prohibition.

Its more than consumerism that's killed culture nihilism, post-modernism, deconstruction the deconstructionists say that history is done and art can be anything American culture has been aborted before it was even born

[Torrocca]

That's wrong. The Transatlantic slave trade began in the early 16th century and the first permanent English colony in the Americas (Jamestown) wasn't established until the beginning of the 17th century; they had slaves from the very beginning.

>He doesn't know about new Amsterdam

If we're gonna count the Dutch as Englishmen now, then we might as well count the whole world as Eng-HEY WAIT A MINUTE YOU'RE NOT TRICKING ME A SECOND TIME, PERFIDIOUS ANGLO

[Kubra]

deconstructionists say that history is done and art can be anything

well I mean how else could american art compete heyoooooo

[Irou]

deconstructionists say that history is done and art can be anything

well I mean how else could american art compete heyoooooo

It didn't even get to level it could've had Andy Warhol made pictures of soup and is treated like a genius while well I can't even think of much American real artists probably because of all the BPA in the water and Porn surrounding men

[Cekoviu]

well I mean how else could american art compete heyoooooo

It didn't even get to level it could've had Andy Warhol made pictures of soup and is treated like a genius while well I can't even think of much American real artists probably because of all the BPA in the water and Porn surrounding men

are you memeing or for real

[Irou]

It didn't even get to level it could've had Andy Warhol made pictures of soup and is treated like a genius while well I can't even think of much American real artists probably because of all the BPA in the water and Porn surrounding men

are you memeing or for real

For real this time
I hate porn, fast food, atheism and shit like that it destroyed men and culture most men can't are not even qualifiable for war anymore and the men/women that go in the military fight for something that doesn't exist anymore

[Kubra]

well I mean how else could american art compete heyoooooo

It didn't even get to level it could've had Andy Warhol made pictures of soup and is treated like a genius while well I can't even think of much American real artists probably because of all the BPA in the water and Porn surrounding men

>american has existed since 1776 without producing worthwhile art
>blames porn

[Cekoviu]

are you memeing or for real

For real this time
I hate porn, fast food, atheism and shit like that it destroyed men and culture most men can't are not even qualifiable for war anymore and the men/women that go in the military fight for something that doesn't exist anymore

k

[Kubra]

are you memeing or for real

For real this time
I hate porn, fast food, atheism and shit like that it destroyed men and culture most men can't are not even qualifiable for war anymore and the men/women that go in the military fight for something that doesn't exist anymore

what's your 1rm on the bench

[Bienenhalde]

But drinking alcohol is un-American. The United States has lost its real culture to worthless and degenerate consumerism ever since we repealed prohibition.

>ever since we repealed prohibition
so did it have it before prohibition or did it only have it for the period of prohibition

American culture has its initial roots in New England Puritanism and the two Great Awakenings on the frontiers. The repeal of prohibition represented the decline of the religious idealism which was key to America's previous greatness.

[Cekoviu]

>ever since we repealed prohibition
so did it have it before prohibition or did it only have it for the period of prohibition

American culture has its initial roots in New England Puritanism and the two Great Awakenings on the frontiers. The repeal of prohibition represented the decline of the religious idealism which was key to America's previous greatness.

>keeping slaves and burning heretics for their religion were "great"

[Kubra]

>ever since we repealed prohibition
so did it have it before prohibition or did it only have it for the period of prohibition

American culture has its initial roots in New England Puritanism and the two Great Awakenings on the frontiers. The repeal of prohibition represented the decline of the religious idealism which was key to America's previous greatness.

>culture rooted in puritanism
no wonder europe is more cultured
In any case, so you're saying that culture existed before prohibition?

[Bienenhalde]

deconstructionists say that history is done and art can be anything

well I mean how else could american art compete heyoooooo

What about the Hudson River School and the other great American landscape painters of the 19th century?