Left Wing Discussion Thread IV: Oh Hai Marx

[Cekoviu]

This is such a weird discussion I can't even find a way to respond any more.

"The social democrats would probably fight to save a party of Islamic extremism, but not the evil swedish democrats, who everybody hates for claiming the country is being taken over by Islamic extremists."

Yep.
There's not many ways to respond these days.

And for being full of racist jerks, but sure, whatever fits your narrative. The Green Party isn't officially Islamist and aligns more politically with S, and is also in a coalition that would be weakened if they were eaten.

[Jackania yugo]

What defines the regressive left?

[Ostroeuropa]

"The social democrats would probably fight to save a party of Islamic extremism, but not the evil swedish democrats, who everybody hates for claiming the country is being taken over by Islamic extremists."

Yep.
There's not many ways to respond these days.

There's no party of Islamic extremists and why would you think the Social Democrats would save one if it existed?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Party_(Sweden)#Islamic_extremism

[Aillyria]

"The social democrats would probably fight to save a party of Islamic extremism, but not the evil swedish democrats, who everybody hates for claiming the country is being taken over by Islamic extremists."

Yep.
There's not many ways to respond these days.

There's no party of Islamic extremists and why would you think the Social Democrats would save one if it existed?

Because they would......

[West Leas Oros]

What defines the regressive left?

Being an asshole.

[Cekoviu]

It was more how we were talking about who would eat who in the Riksdag if they were snowed in for too long, but yes, that too.

Oh that's easy.
The Islamists and ultrachristians would get eaten first because i'm fairly confident they'd starve themselves rather than eat human flesh. Most of them at least. (This is an amoral decision, neither right nor wrong, but its one I suspect the religious would be more likely to take.)

That, or everyone immediately turns on the centrists, neoliberals, etc.

Or, even better;
"bring out the list of MPs opposed to climate change precautions."

So the SDs, then.

[Bakery Hill]

"The social democrats would probably fight to save a party of Islamic extremism, but not the evil swedish democrats, who everybody hates for claiming the country is being taken over by Islamic extremists."

Yep.
There's not many ways to respond these days.

And for being full of racist jerks, but sure, whatever fits your narrative. The Green Party isn't officially Islamist and aligns more politically with S, and is also in a coalition that would be weakened if they were eaten.

It's not an Islamist party, just infiltrated by more than a few of them, including up to a ministerial position.

[Ostroeuropa]

"The social democrats would probably fight to save a party of Islamic extremism, but not the evil swedish democrats, who everybody hates for claiming the country is being taken over by Islamic extremists."

Yep.
There's not many ways to respond these days.

And for being full of racist jerks, but sure, whatever fits your narrative. The Green Party isn't officially Islamist and aligns more politically with S, and is also in a coalition that would be weakened if they were eaten.

The racist jerks point is more apt a criticism. The form of their racism is pretty lulzy.
"Ethnopluralism."
"The fuck is this shit? *clicks*"
Be ready for a wacky world of racism.

[Cekoviu]

And for being full of racist jerks, but sure, whatever fits your narrative. The Green Party isn't officially Islamist and aligns more politically with S, and is also in a coalition that would be weakened if they were eaten.

It's not an Islamist party, just infiltrated by more than a few of them, including up to a ministerial position.

Well, yeah, I'm not saying that's not a problem, just that not everybody in it is actually Islamist.

[Proctopeo]

"The social democrats would probably fight to save a party of Islamic extremism, but not the evil swedish democrats, who everybody hates for claiming the country is being taken over by Islamic extremists."

Yep.
There's not many ways to respond these days.

There's no party of Islamic extremists and why would you think the Social Democrats would save one if it existed?

It's been established that the Swedish Greens have a severe issue with radical Islamic elements within the party. Not exactly a party of Islamic extremists, but a party with far too many than should be tolerable.

[Aillyria]

What defines the regressive left?

Say regressive 5 times and you'll summon a real life regressive academic.

[Democratic Communist Federation]

IV is the number of revolution.

[West Leas Oros]

IV is the number of revolution.

You're Back? I thought you left.

[Ostroeuropa]

Oh that's easy.
The Islamists and ultrachristians would get eaten first because i'm fairly confident they'd starve themselves rather than eat human flesh. Most of them at least. (This is an amoral decision, neither right nor wrong, but its one I suspect the religious would be more likely to take.)

That, or everyone immediately turns on the centrists, neoliberals, etc.

Or, even better;
"bring out the list of MPs opposed to climate change precautions."

So the SDs, then.

Probably, though I harbor suspicions SD draws its morality not from religious scripture but from racist literature and memes, alongside appropriating popular discontent with progressivism. Sort of like if The Stalinist party was the only one discussing public healthcare, free college etc, in the US, because the other parties were way too in hoc to interest groups.

Out and out christian theocracy is a dying thing, SD likely appropriates some of the rhetoric and flourishes from it for similar reasons to appropriating the popular criticism of progressivism.

It's a party of racists wearing masks of christianity and anti-progressivism, as opposed to a party of islamophiles and islamists, wearing masks of other stuff.

[Bakery Hill]

The Greens in Sweden don't just compete with the Social Democrats, they compete with a strong Left party and the green liberal agrarians of the Centre Party. Looks like they're trying to snatch up a voter base Galloway style.

[Aillyria]

IV is the number of revolution.

Alllah (swt), why did you take me literally....this is too much?!?

[Cekoviu]

And for being full of racist jerks, but sure, whatever fits your narrative. The Green Party isn't officially Islamist and aligns more politically with S, and is also in a coalition that would be weakened if they were eaten.

The racist jerks point is more apt a criticism. The form of their racism is pretty lulzy.
"Ethnopluralism."
"The fuck is this shit? *clicks*"
Be ready for a wacky world of racism.

They are unique in that they actually originated from the Swedish neo-Nazi movement, IIRC. Not everybody in it now is a Nazi, but they do exist within the party like with Islamists in the Greens. In comparison, Norway's anti-immigration Fremskrittspartiet is just libertarian with a streak of populism and never really had much to do with Nazis.

[Geilinor]

There's no party of Islamic extremists and why would you think the Social Democrats would save one if it existed?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Party_(Sweden)#Islamic_extremism

Okay, so one Islamist. Not the whole party.

[Proctopeo]

IV is the number of revolution.

Four is also the number of death.
Coincidence? I think not!

[Cekoviu]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Party_(Sweden)#Islamic_extremism

Okay, so one Islamist. Not the whole party.

There were like two or three more in that article.

[Ostroeuropa]

The racist jerks point is more apt a criticism. The form of their racism is pretty lulzy.
"Ethnopluralism."
"The fuck is this shit? *clicks*"
Be ready for a wacky world of racism.

They are unique in that they actually originated from the Swedish neo-Nazi movement, IIRC. Not everybody in it now is a Nazi, but they do exist within the party like with Islamists in the Greens. In comparison, Norway's anti-immigration Fremskrittspartiet is just libertarian with a streak of populism and never really had much to do with Nazis.

Naziism has fallen very much from prominence on the far-right in a lot of ways.
Firstly you've got much more anti-capitalist sentiment now.
Secondly you've got a number of events and shifts akin to the David Duke led conference, where it was settled that "White is white"(exceptjews) and "This nonsense about slavs has to stop" and all that.
Thirdly, in some areas, they've moved into supporting LGB(Not muchT) folk and gender equality(ish), in large part to use these issues to triangulate popular grievance with islamophilia.

Originating in the nazi movement is pretty common for far-right groups, but they've "Reformed", barely. Hardly. A little bit. Swedish democrats appear to have done the same.

[West Leas Oros]

IV is the number of revolution.

Four is also the number of death.
Coincidence? I think not!

Revolutions do usually cause some deaths. Nothing too surprising about that.

[Bakery Hill]

Hmm interesting that the Swedish wiki page for the Greens has absolutely nothing about this. Just laconically mentioning Kaplan resigning without mentioning a reason.

[Ostroeuropa]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Party_(Sweden)#Islamic_extremism

Okay, so one Islamist. Not the whole party.

Defended by the party leadership?

[Bakery Hill]

Okay, so one Islamist. Not the whole party.

Defended by the party leadership?

And a government minister to boot.