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Was Trotsky Polyamorous?

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Postby Sovaal » Wed May 02, 2018 6:57 am

Firaxin wrote:Spekr labeled me a social democrat. Except, I'm not a democrat. I would rather have an Autocracy.

>Autocracy
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Most of the time I have no idea what the hell I'm doing or talking about.

”Many forms of government have been tried and will be tried in this world of sin and woe.
No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is
the worst form of government, except for all the others that have been tried from time to time." -
Winston Churchill, 1947.

"Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon – so long as there is no answer to it – gives claws to the weak.” - George Orwell

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Postby Firaxin » Wed May 02, 2018 7:07 am

Sovaal wrote:
Firaxin wrote:Spekr labeled me a social democrat. Except, I'm not a democrat. I would rather have an Autocracy.

>Autocracy
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Postby Genivaria » Wed May 02, 2018 7:14 am

Firaxin wrote:Spekr labeled me a social democrat. Except, I'm not a democrat. I would rather have an Autocracy.

Why on earth would you want society in the hands of one person?

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Postby Firaxin » Wed May 02, 2018 7:36 am

Genivaria wrote:
Firaxin wrote:Spekr labeled me a social democrat. Except, I'm not a democrat. I would rather have an Autocracy.

Why on earth would you want society in the hands of one person?

A. Permanent laws in place that even the ruler cannot change. Violation of these laws would hopefully result in a coup.
B. The ruler would ideally be the best possible candidate for the job. Still unsure how to decide this. Possible options are: simulations, protégé of previous ruler, battle royale between possible successors, political factions choose possible successor and wage war for the position.
C. Possibilities for corruption reduced and ability for citizens to rebel increased.

Democracies have too high a risk to become bureaucratic nightmares, at least if you want the best for your people.

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Postby West Leas Oros » Wed May 02, 2018 7:37 am

Firaxin wrote:
Sovaal wrote:>Autocracy
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This is delicious.
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Postby Jackania yugo » Wed May 02, 2018 7:42 am

Sorry for sounding like an idoit.

I understand now.

SJW=bad
alt-right=bad
far left=bad
far right=bad
social group surpermacy of any kind=bad

everything else=50/50


centrism= G O D Fantastic.
This nation a funsion between capitalism and social democracy (the only type of socialism made to actually be incorporated into capitalist governments rather than trying to destroy it).

This nation is PMT/FT. Sometimes modern tech.

We sometimes use pokemorphs and digimon in our armed forces. Sometimes

We are technically centrist.

This nation is a reunited Yugoslavia (and also sometimes controls the UK as well).

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Postby Cekoviu » Wed May 02, 2018 7:43 am

Jackania yugo wrote:Sorry for sounding like an idoit.

I understand now.

SJW=bad
alt-right=bad
far left=bad
far right=bad
social group surpermacy of any kind=bad

everything else=50/50


centrism= G O D Fantastic.

Congratulations on reducing everything to black-and-white dichotomies!
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Postby Jackania yugo » Wed May 02, 2018 7:46 am

Cekoviu wrote:
Jackania yugo wrote:Sorry for sounding like an idoit.

I understand now.

SJW=bad
alt-right=bad
far left=bad
far right=bad
social group surpermacy of any kind=bad

everything else=50/50


centrism= G O D Fantastic.

Congratulations on reducing everything to black-and-white dichotomies!


The last one was sort of a joke. Centre and moderate left/right are debatble. They have their ups and downs. Far winged ideolgies are just horrid. Bureaucracy is bad too.
This nation a funsion between capitalism and social democracy (the only type of socialism made to actually be incorporated into capitalist governments rather than trying to destroy it).

This nation is PMT/FT. Sometimes modern tech.

We sometimes use pokemorphs and digimon in our armed forces. Sometimes

We are technically centrist.

This nation is a reunited Yugoslavia (and also sometimes controls the UK as well).

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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Wed May 02, 2018 7:47 am

Jackania yugo wrote:Sorry for sounding like an idoit.

I understand now.

SJW=bad
alt-right=bad
far left=bad
far right=bad
social group surpermacy of any kind=bad

everything else=50/50


centrism= G O D Fantastic.


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Postby Jackania yugo » Wed May 02, 2018 7:48 am

Am I stupid?
This nation a funsion between capitalism and social democracy (the only type of socialism made to actually be incorporated into capitalist governments rather than trying to destroy it).

This nation is PMT/FT. Sometimes modern tech.

We sometimes use pokemorphs and digimon in our armed forces. Sometimes

We are technically centrist.

This nation is a reunited Yugoslavia (and also sometimes controls the UK as well).

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Postby Cekoviu » Wed May 02, 2018 7:50 am

Jackania yugo wrote:Am I stupid?

I wouldn't say so, but your worldview seems to be a bit reductionist.
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Wed May 02, 2018 7:54 am

Jackania yugo wrote:Sorry for sounding like an idoit.

I understand now.

SJW=bad
alt-right=bad
far left=bad
far right=bad
social group surpermacy of any kind=bad

everything else=50/50


centrism= G O D Fantastic.

Nah nah

SJW = Bad
Alt-right = Bad
Far Left = Bad
Far Right = Bad
Everything Else = Bad
Neo-Pagan-Anarchist-Monarchy-Social-Capitalism-Communism-Chrisitan-Conservative-Autocratic-Democracy = Best
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Jackania yugo
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Postby Jackania yugo » Wed May 02, 2018 7:54 am

Cekoviu wrote:
Jackania yugo wrote:Am I stupid?

I wouldn't say so, but your worldview seems to be a bit reductionist.


well, I am 16. Still got a lot to learn.

So...I'm english...was brexit a good idea for my nation?
This nation a funsion between capitalism and social democracy (the only type of socialism made to actually be incorporated into capitalist governments rather than trying to destroy it).

This nation is PMT/FT. Sometimes modern tech.

We sometimes use pokemorphs and digimon in our armed forces. Sometimes

We are technically centrist.

This nation is a reunited Yugoslavia (and also sometimes controls the UK as well).

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Postby Firaxin » Wed May 02, 2018 7:55 am

Jackania yugo wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:I wouldn't say so, but your worldview seems to be a bit reductionist.


well, I am 16. Still got a lot to learn.

So...I'm english...was brexit a good idea for my nation?

Depends...

What do you think is worse? Corruption or a worse economy?

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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Wed May 02, 2018 7:58 am

Jackania yugo wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:I wouldn't say so, but your worldview seems to be a bit reductionist.


well, I am 16. Still got a lot to learn.

So...I'm english...was brexit a good idea for my nation?


Yes, but the process will only be complete when the Tories are kicked out, the mini-EU "free trade" agreements May and co are obsessed with all get torn up, and we rebuild our infrastructure and industry in the national interest behind a big beautiful tariff wall.
Are these "human rights" in the room with us right now?
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Postby Cekoviu » Wed May 02, 2018 7:59 am

Jackania yugo wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:I wouldn't say so, but your worldview seems to be a bit reductionist.


well, I am 16. Still got a lot to learn.

So...I'm english...was brexit a good idea for my nation?

It was an awful, horrible, terrifying, incompetent, regretful, atrocious, abominable, lousy, lamentable, pitiful, rotten, rubbish idea.
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Postby Cekoviu » Wed May 02, 2018 8:00 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Jackania yugo wrote:
well, I am 16. Still got a lot to learn.

So...I'm english...was brexit a good idea for my nation?


Yes, but the process will only be complete when the Tories are kicked out, the mini-EU "free trade" agreements May and co are obsessed with all get torn up, and we rebuild our infrastructure and industry in the national interest behind a big beautiful tariff wall.

Or you could've stayed and not had to waste resources on rebuilding your entire infrastructure. :)
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Wed May 02, 2018 8:02 am

Cekoviu wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Yes, but the process will only be complete when the Tories are kicked out, the mini-EU "free trade" agreements May and co are obsessed with all get torn up, and we rebuild our infrastructure and industry in the national interest behind a big beautiful tariff wall.

Or you could've stayed and not had to waste resources on rebuilding your entire infrastructure. be cucked by filthy free-trade commie globalists :)

ftfy

/sarcasm (sort of)
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Postby Jackania yugo » Wed May 02, 2018 8:07 am

Firaxin wrote:
Jackania yugo wrote:
well, I am 16. Still got a lot to learn.

So...I'm english...was brexit a good idea for my nation?

Depends...

What do you think is worse? Corruption or a worse economy?


Corruption. It's easier to recover the economy eventully.

So...what are the pros and cons of the EU?
This nation a funsion between capitalism and social democracy (the only type of socialism made to actually be incorporated into capitalist governments rather than trying to destroy it).

This nation is PMT/FT. Sometimes modern tech.

We sometimes use pokemorphs and digimon in our armed forces. Sometimes

We are technically centrist.

This nation is a reunited Yugoslavia (and also sometimes controls the UK as well).

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Postby Firaxin » Wed May 02, 2018 8:11 am

Jackania yugo wrote:
Firaxin wrote:Depends...

What do you think is worse? Corruption or a worse economy?


Corruption. It's easier to recover the economy eventully.

So...what are the pros and cons of the EU?

Then Brexit was what you would want, the EU was beginning to override national sovereignty.

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Postby Liriena » Wed May 02, 2018 8:24 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
The Grene Knyght wrote:Wow did we really get through LWDT4 in 2 months? Looks like the NSG left has really stepped up their game.


It used to basically be the communist thread and be quite sniffy about moderates and unorthodox types. Now we are a very beautiful rainbow of degeneracy, and the pot of gold lies within us all.

That got me all warm and fuzzy. :3
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Postby Democratic Communist Federation » Wed May 02, 2018 8:25 am

Jackania yugo wrote:So let me get this straight. The left wing (you guys) hate social justice because it's a borguise plot, while the right wing hate it because apprantly it wants to help muslims take over the world.


You probably should not generalize about the Left. Many of the posters in this thread are bolsheviks, or hold similar positions, and they view capitalism in purely economic terms. To them, the fight for social justice is simply a distraction from their version of revolution. In the real communist or revolutionary socialist world, we would likely not even be in the same room together.

I, like my fellow libertarian Marxist Roy Bhaskar, view all forms of liberation from injustice as aspects of the fight for communism. To me, so-called social justice warriors should be embraced and encouraged to become revolutionaries. However, I am not a bolshevik or a syndicalist. Liberation from injustice (a key focus of left-libertarianism) is, from my perspective synonymous with communism.
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Postby Painisia » Wed May 02, 2018 8:27 am

Liriena wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:
It used to basically be the communist thread and be quite sniffy about moderates and unorthodox types. Now we are a very beautiful rainbow of degeneracy, and the pot of gold lies within us all.

That got me all warm and fuzzy. :3

And I am a social democrat! Or I like the social market economic model better
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Postby Great Minarchistan » Wed May 02, 2018 8:30 am

Genivaria wrote:
Firaxin wrote:Spekr labeled me a social democrat. Except, I'm not a democrat. I would rather have an Autocracy.

Why on earth would you want society in the hands of one person?

Nothing wrong with being a generalissimo that guides the course of the nation as you wish... r-right?
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these snow flake nations should be burned and i will make them fall pactolase will rise and Dixie park will be by her side as we crush Communism and othe left wing ideas posting.php?mode=reply&f=20&t=437423# :twisted: :evil: :twisted: :evil:

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