Left Wing Discussion Thread IV: Oh Hai Marx

[The Liberated Territories]

I have no problem with capital punishment, especially for capitalists (like the mortgage bankers who caused the Great Recession). In principle, I have no problem with capital punishment for others, but I think that more discretion should be allowed. (Conclusion: I despise capitalism.)

What

Capitalists should be executed by the state, comrade.

[Aillyria]

I have no problem with capital punishment, especially for capitalists (like the mortgage bankers who caused the Great Recession). In principle, I have no problem with capital punishment for others, but I think that more discretion should be allowed. (Conclusion: I despise capitalism.)

What

What, what?!?

And the cycle of continues!!!!

[Ostroeuropa]

I'm a pacifist, so I'm against capital punishment. However, throwing people out of aeroplanes or helicopters is not very creative or sadistic at all.

It is easier to think of far more messed up ways to kill people.

You want sadistic creativity?

Post-revolution we force march the journalists into a central location and strip them naked, forcing them into a crowd and surrounding them.

Then we just start hurling vitriolic insults and abuse and outright lies at them and don't let them leave. We can cycle out people so it takes days.

When the first one drops dead of exhaustion, we apprehend the rest and incarcerate them, and spend years gaslighting them while cycling through the list of them to force surgery on them that will implant a receiver into them schizophrenic style.

Before release they are interviewed by someone who just gaslights them some more and repeats a bunch of bullshit and interrogates them over the lies they told, telling them they have three options:

Leave the country (But we tell them we'll send at least three agents to the country they choose at some point in the future to lie and gaslight to them in an extreme way.)
Be lied to forever by locals.
Say they want to die, then we'll kill them.

Whenever they try to say they want one of the first two we just outright ignore them and continue with the interrogation, lies, and gaslighting, if it takes more than an hour, they go back to prison where we're constantly gaslighting them and fucking with them, and telling them lies.

When they finally beg for death, we let them go, but without any passport, after branding them on the forehead. If they escape, they escape, but that line about "Our agents will at some point turn up in your new home to fuck with you" will leave them forever paranoid.

The brand means NOBODY will tell them the truth, ever again, in any circumstance, and will actively seek to fuck with them and gaslight them about every situation they find themselves in, while the radio receiver implanted in them constantly lies and gaslights them too.

If foreign nations complain we respond with;
"Are you saying liars should be punished with withholding essential goods or with physical and violent force? That's interesting. Bare in mind we have many liars in our custody before you answer."

You know nothing about fucked up and evil ironic punishments until you've heard voices mate.

[Aillyria]

I have no problem with capital punishment, especially for capitalists (like the mortgage bankers who caused the Great Recession). In principle, I have no problem with capital punishment for others, but I think that more discretion should be allowed. (Conclusion: I despise capitalism.)

Eh, why do you think capitalists deserve to die? They are human, just like you and me. I would oppose capital punishment for even the most heinous of individuals. If you just take a moment to try and understand another person's humanity, you can't hate them (I think that is a quote in Ender's Game or something, been a while so not quite sure).

That literally means nothing.

[Democratic Communist Federation]

What

Well, most communists are not opposed to capital punishment. I just think that priorities need to be set. (Capitalists die first.)

[Ardoki]

Eh, why do you think capitalists deserve to die? They are human, just like you and me. I would oppose capital punishment for even the most heinous of individuals. If you just take a moment to try and understand another person's humanity, you can't hate them (I think that is a quote in Ender's Game or something, been a while so not quite sure).

That literally means nothing.

Maybe not for those devoid of empathy.

[Aillyria]

What

Well, most communists are not opposed to capital punishment. I just think that priorities need to be set. (Capitalists die first.)

I think whether they're capitalist or not is irrelevant, in a revolutionary setting. If you move to impede the revolution, be you capitalist or socialist...you get death penalty.

[Democratic Communist Federation]

Eh, why do you think capitalists deserve to die? They are human, just like you and me. I would oppose capital punishment for even the most heinous of individuals. If you just take a moment to try and understand another person's humanity, you can't hate them (I think that is a quote in Ender's Game or something, been a while so not quite sure).

I have no problem with capital punishment for anyone — especially capitalists — but anyone. I admit to hating capitalism (though not necessarily capitalists as individuals).

[Ardoki]

Well, most communists are not opposed to capital punishment. I just think that priorities need to be set. (Capitalists die first.)

I think whether they're capitalist or not is irrelevant, in a revolutionary setting. If you move to impede the revolution, be you capitalist or socialist...you get death penalty.

How does that make you any different from fascists then? Do you honestly believe that killing the opposition is for a noble cause? Or do you acknowledge that you would just do it for the sake of gaining and maintaining power?

[Democratic Communist Federation]

Capitalists should be executed by the state, comrade.

Of course. I'm not planning on going on a killing spree.

[Ardoki]

Eh, why do you think capitalists deserve to die? They are human, just like you and me. I would oppose capital punishment for even the most heinous of individuals. If you just take a moment to try and understand another person's humanity, you can't hate them (I think that is a quote in Ender's Game or something, been a while so not quite sure).

I have no problem with capital punishment for anyone — especially capitalists — but anyone. I admit to hating capitalism (though not necessarily capitalists as individuals).

So, you are fine with executing innocent people then? What about babies?

[Geneviev]

I'm a pacifist, so I'm against capital punishment. However, throwing people out of aeroplanes or helicopters is not very creative or sadistic at all.

I have no problem with capital punishment, especially for capitalists (like the mortgage bankers who caused the Great Recession). In principle, I have no problem with capital punishment for others, but I think that more discretion should be allowed. (Conclusion: I despise capitalism.)

Isn't that going too far? How is kill the capitalists any better than kill the communists or kill anyone who disagrees?

[The Liberated Territories]

Capitalists should be executed by the state, comrade.

Of course. I'm not planning on going on a killing spree.

Might as well use the state to legally kill people instead.

I have no problem with capital punishment for anyone — especially capitalists — but anyone. I admit to hating capitalism (though not necessarily capitalists as individuals).

So, you are fine with executing innocent people then? What about babies?

They'll grow up to inherit the capitalist's wealth, so they die too

/s

[Democratic Communist Federation]

How does that make you any different from fascists then? Do you honestly believe that killing the opposition is for a noble cause? Or do you acknowledge that you would just do it for the sake of gaining and maintaining power?

Well, you can't just select one issue to compare communism with fascism. There are a lot more differences between communism and fascism than similarities.

[Salus Maior]

So, you are fine with executing innocent people then? What about babies?

They'll grow up to inherit the capitalist's wealth, so they die too

I hope you aren't serious.

[The Liberated Territories]

They'll grow up to inherit the capitalist's wealth, so they die too

I hope you aren't serious.

forgot my /s tag

[Norstal]

Eh, why do you think capitalists deserve to die? They are human, just like you and me. I would oppose capital punishment for even the most heinous of individuals. If you just take a moment to try and understand another person's humanity, you can't hate them (I think that is a quote in Ender's Game or something, been a while so not quite sure).

I have no problem with capital punishment for anyone — especially capitalists — but anyone. I admit to hating capitalism (though not necessarily capitalists as individuals).

Ow the edge. Never change NSG, never change.

So, you are fine with executing innocent people then? What about babies?

On the bright side he supports capital punishment on himself.

[Salus Maior]

How does that make you any different from fascists then? Do you honestly believe that killing the opposition is for a noble cause? Or do you acknowledge that you would just do it for the sake of gaining and maintaining power?

Well, you can't just select one issue to compare communism with fascism. There are a lot more differences between communism and fascism than similarities.

Outside of bloodthirst and willingness to murder en-mass I suppose.

[Democratic Communist Federation]

So, you are fine with executing innocent people then? What about babies?

lol. No, not babies. People who have reached the age at which they can distinguish right from wrong.

[Ardoki]

How does that make you any different from fascists then? Do you honestly believe that killing the opposition is for a noble cause? Or do you acknowledge that you would just do it for the sake of gaining and maintaining power?

Well, you can't just select one issue to compare communism with fascism. There are a lot more differences between communism and fascism than similarities.

Yeah, but most people oppose fascism because of the mass killing... I'm guessing that isn't why you oppose fascism?

[Democratic Communist Federation]

Outside of bloodthirst and willingness to murder en-mass I suppose.

No, out of justice.

[Norstal]

So, you are fine with executing innocent people then? What about babies?

lol. No, not babies. People who have reached the age at which they can distinguish right from wrong.

I guess that excludes capitalists who can't distinguish right from wrong then.

[Geneviev]

So, you are fine with executing innocent people then? What about babies?

lol. No, not babies. People who have reached the age at which they can distinguish right from wrong.

With all due respect, at what age would that be?

[Democratic Communist Federation]

Yeah, but most people oppose fascism because of the mass killing... I'm guessing that isn't why you oppose fascism?

Capital punishment is not mass killing.

[Ardoki]

I mean, fascists regimes are pretty transparent about how they are totalitarian states and will kill all who stand in their way.

DCR, do you honestly believe that killing political opponents is some noble act?