Left Wing Discussion Thread IV: Oh Hai Marx

[West Leas Oros]

Press x to doubt.

I never thought an academic, of all people would denounce an entire field of study. I’ll be honest, capitalism seems alright once you get rid of your ethics and morality... it seems to at least work for the bourgeoisie.

I'm not capitalist but I don't go out of my way to avoid capitalist teachings... It's always better to understand the other side.

Agreed. You would think an academic like DCF would understand that.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Stay away from mainstream economics courses, and only take heterodox ones. Economics, as a field, developed as a bourgeois defense of capitalism.

Press x to doubt.

I never thought an academic, of all people would denounce an entire field of study. I’ll be honest, capitalism seems alright once you get rid of your ethics and morality... it seems to at least work for the bourgeoisie.

What about private property is unethical or immoral?

>"poverty and sweatshops"

I said private property not poverty and sweatshops.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

I don't hope for the defeat of my country when it enters an interventionist war, I just hope for my country to pull out.

I always hope for the defeat of my country (the U.S.). That makes me much beloved in my adopted state of Kansas.

Why hope for defeat when you can hope for peace?

[Luminesa]

Stay away from mainstream economics courses, and only take heterodox ones. Economics, as a field, developed as a bourgeois defense of capitalism.

Press x to doubt.

I never thought an academic, of all people would denounce an entire field of study. I’ll be honest, capitalism seems alright once you get rid of your ethics and morality... it seems to at least work for the bourgeoisie.

Really he just wants you to take his course and to notice him, sempai. :^)))))

To be more honest, looking-up the professor and his record surrounding economics might help. You need to find a professor who will teach the subjects in a balanced, open, and understanding way. A teacher can have their political views (I certainly have mine), but they should imo allow the students to make their own decisions on politics and economics, based on the information which they learn.

[Luminesa]

I don't hope for the defeat of my country when it enters an interventionist war, I just hope for my country to pull out.

I always hope for the defeat of my country (the U.S.). That makes me much beloved in my adopted state of Kansas.

I'm not sure if you're memeing or not, but I don't know how someone can hate themselves this much. Gracious it's like Niagara Falls.

[New Emeline]

Press x to doubt.

I never thought an academic, of all people would denounce an entire field of study. I’ll be honest, capitalism seems alright once you get rid of your ethics and morality... it seems to at least work for the bourgeoisie.

What about private property is unethical or immoral?

>"poverty and sweatshops"

I said private property not poverty and sweatshops.

I don't think capitalism is unethical on paper, it just becomes so too easily in practice.
Which is, y'know, the problem with most political/economic ideals.

[Luminesa]

So... I’m taking an economics class, getting lots of capitalist drivel shoved down my throat, and am looking for a way to create the ideal socialist economy, keeping both productivity and consumer satisfaction in mind. I ask because otherwise I’m considering converting to mixed market capitalism. Please keep me from betraying glorious proletariat. Convince me to stay.

The most important thing to keep in mind is social issues. You can be a capitalist and promote social equality, you just need to know your balance. Of course, it's always good to ask questions, your teacher (if he is a good one) will be delighted if you have questions about the material and about what you are learning.

[West Leas Oros]

So... I’m taking an economics class, getting lots of capitalist drivel shoved down my throat, and am looking for a way to create the ideal socialist economy, keeping both productivity and consumer satisfaction in mind. I ask because otherwise I’m considering converting to mixed market capitalism. Please keep me from betraying glorious proletariat. Convince me to stay.

The most important thing to keep in mind is social issues. You can be a capitalist and promote social equality, you just need to know your balance. Of course, it's always good to ask questions, your teacher (if he is a good one) will be delighted if you have questions about the material and about what you are learning.

What do you mean by social equality? I dont identify as socially liberal. I believe that the imbalance of money is the root of oppression.

[El Hamidah]

So... I’m taking an economics class, getting lots of capitalist drivel shoved down my throat, and am looking for a way to create the ideal socialist economy, keeping both productivity and consumer satisfaction in mind. I ask because otherwise I’m considering converting to mixed market capitalism. Please keep me from betraying glorious proletariat. Convince me to stay.

The most important thing to keep in mind is social issues. You can be a capitalist and promote social equality, you just need to know your balance. Of course, it's always good to ask questions, your teacher (if he is a good one) will be delighted if you have questions about the material and about what you are learning.

Wait a minute, I thought RadTrads were anti capitalist

[Luminesa]

The most important thing to keep in mind is social issues. You can be a capitalist and promote social equality, you just need to know your balance. Of course, it's always good to ask questions, your teacher (if he is a good one) will be delighted if you have questions about the material and about what you are learning.

What do you mean by social equality? I dont identify as socially liberal. I believe that the imbalance of money is the root of oppression.

Social equality via promoting ethics in business, using business and your private property (whatever it is) to help your fellow man however you can.

Really, storing-up too much money is probably more of the root of oppression. It's one thing to store-up for comfort and for safety. It's another when you're so scared of parting with your money that you have ridiculous amounts, and you refuse to help others with it at all. Even Andrew Carnegie said that those with money should help those who are less fortunate (and boy did he have a ridiculous amount of money).

[Luminesa]

The most important thing to keep in mind is social issues. You can be a capitalist and promote social equality, you just need to know your balance. Of course, it's always good to ask questions, your teacher (if he is a good one) will be delighted if you have questions about the material and about what you are learning.

Wait a minute, I thought RadTrads were anti capitalist

...I'm a RadTrad?

[New Emeline]

Wait a minute, I thought RadTrads were anti capitalist

...I'm a RadTrad?

A what?

[Cekoviu]

...I'm a RadTrad?

A what?

Radical traditionalist.

[Taihei Tengoku]

So... I’m taking an economics class, getting lots of capitalist drivel shoved down my throat, and am looking for a way to create the ideal socialist economy, keeping both productivity and consumer satisfaction in mind. I ask because otherwise I’m considering converting to mixed market capitalism. Please keep me from betraying glorious proletariat. Convince me to stay.

The reality is that Marxian economics has been a dead field more or less since ~1880, similar to how few universities teach alchemy today. Anybody since then is an obscurity or a crank, and those who aren't are just sociologists.

[The Proletarian Republic]

A what?

Radical traditionalist.

Traditionalists are basically fascists, next

[The Proletarian Republic]

So... I’m taking an economics class, getting lots of capitalist drivel shoved down my throat, and am looking for a way to create the ideal socialist economy, keeping both productivity and consumer satisfaction in mind. I ask because otherwise I’m considering converting to mixed market capitalism. Please keep me from betraying glorious proletariat. Convince me to stay.

The reality is that Marxian economics has been a dead field more or less since ~1880, similar to how few universities teach alchemy today. Anybody since then is an obscurity or a crank, and those who aren't are just sociologists.

What world are you living in? Also, communism goes beyond economics.

[Taihei Tengoku]

The reality is that Marxian economics has been a dead field more or less since ~1880, similar to how few universities teach alchemy today. Anybody since then is an obscurity or a crank, and those who aren't are just sociologists.

What world are you living in? Also, communism goes beyond economics.

Of course, which is why they dominate much of the academy, just not economics. Marxian economics is just plain bad at providing any sort of explanatory value.

[Thermodolia]

Radical traditionalist.

Traditionalists are basically fascists, next

I don’t really like TradCons as the next guy but come on calling them Fascist is a little much.

[Thermodolia]

The reality is that Marxian economics has been a dead field more or less since ~1880, similar to how few universities teach alchemy today. Anybody since then is an obscurity or a crank, and those who aren't are just sociologists.

What world are you living in? Also, communism goes beyond economics.

Daily reminder that communism and marxist-Leninism are garbage

[Corneliu Zelea Codreanu]

Mad respect to the three best men of Communism

1. Che Guevara
2. Mao Zedong
3. Pol Pot

[Cekoviu]

Mad respect to the three best men of Communism

1. Che Guevara
2. Mao Zedong
3. Pol Pot

Delet this

[Jelmatt]

Mad respect to the three best men of Communism

1. Che Guevara
2. Mao Zedong
3. Pol Pot

Delet this

DAMMIT

I was about to say the same thing.

[Democratic Communist Federation]

I never thought an academic, of all people would denounce an entire field of study. I’ll be honest, capitalism seems alright once you get rid of your ethics and morality... it seems to at least work for the bourgeoisie.

You are surprised that a sociologist would critique mainstream economics? You've got to be kidding. You must know nothing about the hostility between the fields.

[Democratic Communist Federation]

Agreed. You would think an academic like DCF would understand that.

Academia is extremely divided. People in some fields won't even speak with people in other fields. The mutual hostility between sociology and economics is legendary.

[West Leas Oros]

I never thought an academic, of all people would denounce an entire field of study. I’ll be honest, capitalism seems alright once you get rid of your ethics and morality... it seems to at least work for the bourgeoisie.

You are surprised that a sociologist would critique mainstream economics? You've got to be kidding. You must know nothing about the hostility between the fields.

I knew it was hostile, but not that hostile. I hear a lot of capitalists say that socialism restricts personal freedom, and that the government intervenes in peoples lives. Given what I know about history, I can’t say they are entirely wrong... if I can at least be convinced capitalism is worse... I’m happy.