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Was Trotsky Polyamorous?

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Postby Bakery Hill » Thu Mar 22, 2018 6:54 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:There's definitely an element of truth to that.

If you subscribe to the idea that disliking something primarily made by people from a certain racial and socioeconomic background is inherently classist and racist, then yes.

Not inherently, there's just often a correlation.
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Postby Cekoviu » Thu Mar 22, 2018 6:55 pm

Bakery Hill wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:If you subscribe to the idea that disliking something primarily made by people from a certain racial and socioeconomic background is inherently classist and racist, then yes.

Not inherently, there's just often a correlation.

Occasionally. Often is overstating it.
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Postby Bakery Hill » Thu Mar 22, 2018 6:56 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:Not inherently, there's just often a correlation.

Occasionally. Often is overstating it.

Country music is often derided as redneck music. Rap and hip hop are often derided using terms like "thug" if you are amongst more polite company. They are often seen as representatives of the culture from which they belong and treated as such.
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Postby Kramanica » Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:04 pm

The South Falls wrote:
Kramanica wrote:Or it might just be shit.

Some rap is absolute shit, like Gucci Gang. But others, like Eminem, and the rap that tells a story, are good. I really like NWA and other rap groups, because while people slap their raps as 'shit', I think it tells a good story.

Eminem was at one point really good.

Now he's just... yeah...
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Postby Kramanica » Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:06 pm

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Northern Davincia wrote:I will join you in that pursuit, provided I get to dress as a space marine.

Popular fronts are sometimes necessary you are a libertarian and therefore probably also a weeb.

Libertarians are good when it comes to economics and social issue. But once they start drifting off into debating whether or not traffic lights are constitutional you start to understand why they are despised by pretty much anyone who isn't a libertarian.
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Postby Bakery Hill » Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:06 pm

Kramanica wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:Popular fronts are sometimes necessary you are a libertarian and therefore probably also a weeb.

Libertarians are good when it comes to economics and social issue. But once they start drifting off into debating whether or not traffic lights are constitutional you start to understand why they are despised by pretty much anyone who isn't a libertarian.

a red light violates the nap, as a sovereign citizen this will serve well as my defence in court
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Postby MERIZoC » Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:07 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
MERIZoC wrote:"Rap is all bad" is an attitude based in latent racism and classism, deriving from the believer's view that individuals that are part of such cultural circles are vile and inferior, dont @ me

"Country is all bad" is an attitude based in latent racism and classism, deriving from the believers view that individuals that are part of such cultural circles are vile and inferior

The racism part is inaccurate, but otherwise yeah, it reflects elitist urban attitudes towards “hicks and hillbillies”

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Postby Kramanica » Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:08 pm

Bakery Hill wrote:
Kramanica wrote:Libertarians are good when it comes to economics and social issue. But once they start drifting off into debating whether or not traffic lights are constitutional you start to understand why they are despised by pretty much anyone who isn't a libertarian.

a red light violates the nap, as a sovereign citizen this will serve well as my defence in court

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Postby Kramanica » Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:08 pm

MERIZoC wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:"Country is all bad" is an attitude based in latent racism and classism, deriving from the believers view that individuals that are part of such cultural circles are vile and inferior

The racism part is inaccurate, but otherwise yeah, it reflects elitist urban attitudes towards “hicks and hillbillies”

Never thought I'd agree with you on something.

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Postby Italios » Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:10 pm

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Italios wrote:We shall not rest until every fluffy fur suit had been expunged from earth, so G-d help me

I will join you in that pursuit, provided I get to dress as a space marine.

Unfortunately, the Proletarian Morality Committee doesn't allow membership for non lefties, though we greatly appreciate your interest in purifying G-d's gift, which we have woefully abused through increasing amounts of decadence. you may be interested in joining the Committee for Proletarian Morality, however.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:13 pm

Bakery Hill wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:I will join you in that pursuit, provided I get to dress as a space marine.

Popular fronts are sometimes necessary you are a libertarian and therefore probably also a weeb.

Probably? ;)
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Northern Davincia wrote:I will join you in that pursuit, provided I get to dress as a space marine.

Unfortunately, the Proletarian Morality Committee doesn't allow membership for non lefties, though we greatly appreciate your interest in purifying G-d's gift, which we have woefully abused through increasing amounts of decadence. you may be interested in joining the Committee for Proletarian Morality, however.

I am left-handed. Does that count?
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Postby Bakery Hill » Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:22 pm

Kramanica wrote:
MERIZoC wrote:The racism part is inaccurate, but otherwise yeah, it reflects elitist urban attitudes towards “hicks and hillbillies”

Never thought I'd agree with you on something.

Hug me, my brother.

You're agreeing with me too, you're basically a communist now.
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Postby Kramanica » Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:23 pm

Bakery Hill wrote:
Kramanica wrote:Never thought I'd agree with you on something.

Hug me, my brother.

You're agreeing with me too, you're basically a communist now.

Should I self-report myself to HUAC?
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Postby Bakery Hill » Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:32 pm

Kramanica wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:You're agreeing with me too, you're basically a communist now.

Should I self-report myself to HUAC?

Nah they're only interested in Trump voters now.
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Postby Democratic Communist Federation » Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:56 pm

MERIZoC wrote:The racism part is inaccurate, but otherwise yeah, it reflects elitist urban attitudes towards “hicks and hillbillies”


Most people I know from NYC judge music on its own merits. I remember when country music was pretty popular throughout the U.S., country music clubs showed up all over NYC.
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Postby Albrenia » Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:35 pm

If I'm elitist racist for not liking music I don't like, then I guess I'm elitist and racist! :lol:

Seriously, some music gives me a headache. The fact I dislike it doesn't mean I begrudge others liking it though.

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Postby Aellex » Thu Mar 22, 2018 11:03 pm

Bakery Hill wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Where's the Committee for Proletarian Degeneracy when you need it?

Suppressed and divided.

As it should stay. Tis nothing but an organ of Bourgeois Decadence trying to corrupt the mores of the Working Class to sap their ability to struggle against their condition.
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Postby FelrikTheDeleted » Thu Mar 22, 2018 11:31 pm

Aellex wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:Suppressed and divided.

As it should stay. Tis nothing but an organ of Bourgeois Decadence trying to corrupt the mores of the Working Class to sap their ability to struggle against their condition.


The Committee for Proletarian Morality will work tirelessly in its rejection of the Committee of Proletarian Degeneracy.

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Postby Major-Tom » Thu Mar 22, 2018 11:39 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
MERIZoC wrote:"Rap is all bad" is an attitude based in latent racism and classism, deriving from the believer's view that individuals that are part of such cultural circles are vile and inferior, dont @ me

"Country is all bad" is an attitude based in latent racism and classism, deriving from the believers view that individuals that are part of such cultural circles are vile and inferior


Plus, country can be quite good. Especially the oldies, we had Cash, Jennings, Williams, Nelson, lots of super talented artists in country, and even a lot today. But that's just me.

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Postby The Parkus Empire » Thu Mar 22, 2018 11:41 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
MERIZoC wrote:"Rap is all bad" is an attitude based in latent racism and classism, deriving from the believer's view that individuals that are part of such cultural circles are vile and inferior, dont @ me

"Country is all bad" is an attitude based in latent racism and classism, deriving from the believers view that individuals that are part of such cultural circles are vile and inferior

17th Century country is pretty good. Much rural folk music is, including bluegrass. Mass produced commercial country is shit. Blues is good. Rap is shit.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Fri Mar 23, 2018 12:09 am

Cekoviu wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:There's definitely an element of truth to that.

If you subscribe to the idea that disliking something primarily made by people from a certain racial and socioeconomic background is inherently classist and racist, then yes.


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What I find funny is that the main radio stations over here hardly ever play any rock music due to an obsessive search for "urban authenticity" that favours music genres that primarily come from black communities. This ironically leads to them being institutionally biased against a genre that today primarily involves "working-class white dudes with guitars". The corporate machine has decided what we should want, this profile is racially biased, and not liking it makes us racist and bad comrades.

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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Fri Mar 23, 2018 12:35 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:If you subscribe to the idea that disliking something primarily made by people from a certain racial and socioeconomic background is inherently classist and racist, then yes.


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What I find funny is that the main radio stations over here hardly ever play any rock music due to an obsessive search for "urban authenticity" that favours music genres that primarily come from black communities. This ironically leads to them being institutionally biased against a genre that today primarily involves "working-class white dudes with guitars". The corporate machine has decided what we should want, this profile is racially biased, and not liking it makes us racist and bad comrades.

Bring me the desalination machine before salt starts leaking out my eyes.

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Postby Reikoku » Fri Mar 23, 2018 3:34 am

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I've consistently defended furries whenever the topic has come up, which is usually when people who aren't furries feel the need to talk about them and how uncool they are when they're not around, much like the christian pastors and their need to denounce homosex.

If you guys want fursuits, I know some people who will know a supplier.


Honestly, as much as the fandom is cringey to me, they've become less annoying than the people jabbing fingers and acting like it's the worst thing in the world.

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Postby Questers » Fri Mar 23, 2018 7:04 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:If you subscribe to the idea that disliking something primarily made by people from a certain racial and socioeconomic background is inherently classist and racist, then yes.


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What I find funny is that the main radio stations over here hardly ever play any rock music due to an obsessive search for "urban authenticity" that favours music genres that primarily come from black communities. This ironically leads to them being institutionally biased against a genre that today primarily involves "working-class white dudes with guitars". The corporate machine has decided what we should want, this profile is racially biased, and not liking it makes us racist and bad comrades.

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Postby Uiiop » Fri Mar 23, 2018 8:06 am

MERIZoC wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:"Country is all bad" is an attitude based in latent racism and classism, deriving from the believers view that individuals that are part of such cultural circles are vile and inferior

The racism part is inaccurate, but otherwise yeah, it reflects elitist urban attitudes towards “hicks and hillbillies”

Are "Hicks and hillbillies" a distinct ethnic group?
This may be not be technically correct but racism is a word that describes hatred against such types.
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