Left Wing Discussion Thread IV: Oh Hai Marx

[The Parkus Empire]

If you're a Macronist as you seem to say, you're probably just a liberal centrist. That's about it. No need for weird labels.

I told you to back off with the ideological condescension(Before anyone accuses me of hypocrisy, no it's not, because of the destructiveness and even evidence of the ideologies I criticized harshly.). Didn't you bloody hear me?
It's not a "weird label", it's a damn legitimate position.
I refuse to label myself as an ideology, because of the partisanship and refusal to compromise, cooperate, or to enact policies from both sides. Centrism is about compromise really, Transpartisanship is about taking economic and social ideas from the left and right and blending them seamlessly without being in the middle ground, which is exactly what centrism is.
So bloody start recognizing this as a legitimate position. I recognize communism and naziism and/or anarchism, and centrism, despite the vagueness of each and despising each-I respect centrism for trying to not be far left or far right, but I despise it for being all about compromise and middle ground, not taking ideas from the left or right, no matter if it's pretty leftist or not. I mostly take inspiration from the left, but have pretty libertarian social leanings, minus being pro-life. Economically I am willing to go leftist or further right, as I'm not ideological in economics, that's why I despise the left/right/center spectrum-ideological cultlike adherence to an economic system, not pragmatism and trying to do what will work and guarantee people prosper.

oh so like centrism if you insist you're not at all a centrist

No, because I'd go leftist-even social democrat-or more pro-market depending on context and what I think the economy needs, and hire the best foreign and domestic advisers.
That's the economic difference. I'm willing to farther left or farther right according to the situation.

You cannot blend opposing positions seamlessly.

[Jelmatt]

Centrism isn't restricted to just middle-ground policies, but also political views which mix ideas from the moderate left and right--that includes your idea of "transpartisanism" (mixing ideas from the radical left and right, which I can be almost assured you don't do, would be considered syncretism).

Honestly, call yourself what you want, but please don't be so hostile. We're all... well, if not friends, we're certainly not enemies.

I'm less hostile and more feel like my ideology isn't taken seriously.
And, I despise the far-left and far-right because of the problems they've caused globally, and the divides I see in society. It sickens me to my very core and has resulted in me swearing off the left-right spectrum because people commit themselves to extremist ideologies or vote for a destructive ideology just because they hate the other side. An example of this is Trump's election, which really propelled my hatred for the left-right partisan divide and made me seek a way to bridge that gap.
And Centrism has a very negative connotation, I seek to unite, not seem like a compromise candidate which satisfies no one and only further increase the divides.

EDIT: Macron, Washington, Jefferson, Kasich, Lincoln, Hamilton, Bernie, JFK, Theodore Roosevelt, Obama, Frederick The Great, and Napoleon are my influences.
I had 2 list 2 monarchs because well I like them, minus the entire Napoleonic invasion of Europe and dictatorship thing, as well as Napoleon trying to be a world conqueror, a narcissist, etc.

No matter what you call yourself, that's what you're going to seem like, I'm afraid. Best of luck to you, though, I suppose.

[The Parkus Empire]

You cannot blend opposing positions seamlessly.

That's your opinion.
Now chill.

That's Truth

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That's your opinion.
Now chill.

That's Truth

That’s All Folks!

[Ligurria]

No matter what you call yourself, that's what you're going to seem like, I'm afraid. Best of luck to you, though, I suppose.

Eh it's always been me against the world.
I'm like Britain in the 17th/18th century: At war with everyone, allying sides temporarily.
Albeit I'm not being treacherous, selfish, and war crazy like Britain, but hey, that's the best analogy I could think of.

You should find a better word to describe your ideology than centrism though. Everyone thinks they're a centrist and that their ideology perfectly balances both sides.

[Kubra]

No matter what you call yourself, that's what you're going to seem like, I'm afraid. Best of luck to you, though, I suppose.

Eh it's always been me against the world.
I'm like Britain in the 17th/18th century: At war with everyone, allying sides temporarily.
Albeit I'm not being treacherous, selfish, and war crazy like Britain, but hey, that's the best analogy I could think of.

and deathly afraid of the french

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That's Truth

Can we not?
I have like a million other debates I'd rather do, ones that I think will get places.

Oh speaking of debates....

I try reasoning with people on breitbart a lot, to try to reach a mutual understanding and see if they can disagree respectfully with the other side or see reason.
It rarely works.

That’s a lost cause m8.

[Napkiraly]

Centrism isn't restricted to just middle-ground policies, but also political views which mix ideas from the moderate left and right--that includes your idea of "transpartisanism" (mixing ideas from the radical left and right, which I can be almost assured you don't do, would be considered syncretism).

Honestly, call yourself what you want, but please don't be so hostile. We're all... well, if not friends, we're certainly not enemies.

I'm less hostile and more feel like my ideology isn't taken seriously.
And, I despise the far-left and far-right because of the problems they've caused globally, and the divides I see in society. It sickens me to my very core and has resulted in me swearing off the left-right spectrum because people commit themselves to extremist ideologies or vote for a destructive ideology just because they hate the other side. An example of this is Trump's election, which really propelled my hatred for the left-right partisan divide and made me seek a way to bridge that gap.
And Centrism has a very negative connotation, I seek to unite, not seem like a compromise candidate which satisfies no one and only further increase the divides.

EDIT: Macron, Washington, Jefferson, Kasich, Lincoln, Hamilton, Bernie, JFK, Theodore Roosevelt, Obama, Frederick The Great, and Napoleon are my influences.
I had 2 list 2 monarchs because well I like them, minus the entire Napoleonic invasion of Europe and dictatorship thing, as well as Napoleon trying to be a world conqueror, a narcissist, etc.

So I mean, you're a fascist? That's not groundbreaking tbh.

[Democratic Communist Federation]

I'm not even discussing marxist-leninists man or soviet apologists.

To be perfectly honest, I have no idea what you are discussing, since all of your comments on the subject have been vague to the point of meaningless.

[Napkiraly]

I mean, you're claiming to be going against the left-right spectrum and call yourself Transpartisan, whatever that means, which is just 21st terminology for fascist third positionism tbh.

[Bakery Hill]

And Centrism has a very negative connotation, I seek to unite, not seem like a compromise candidate which satisfies no one and only further increase the divides.

So you just don't like the term centrist? Because what you're describing is centrism.

[Napkiraly]

I mean, you're claiming to be going against the left-right spectrum and call yourself Transpartisan which is just 21st terminology for fascist third positionism tbh.

I get that concept, but my views have several core differences from statist nationalism.

So you're into anarcho-fascism? I mean, rare, but not groundbreaking.

[Ligurria]

So you just don't like the term centrist? Because what you're describing is centrism.

Seriously, stop. I'd like to be called transpartisan. I am asking you to call me by my ideology, which is a legitimate one and a major world leader is transpartisan.
There's lots of differences from centrism, and also centrism cannot appeal to both sides, which is my core goal. Their methods are doing that via middle ground, while I take ideas from the center left and center right, and the normal left and right, but avoiding the far-left and right.

Do you have a preferred pronoun as well?

[New Emeline]

So you just don't like the term centrist? Because what you're describing is centrism.

Seriously, stop. I'd like to be called transpartisan. I am asking you to call me by my ideology, which is a legitimate one and a major world leader is transpartisan.
There's lots of differences from centrism, and also centrism cannot appeal to both sides, which is my core goal. Their methods are doing that via middle ground, while I take ideas from the center left and center right, and the normal left and right, but avoiding the far-left and right.

Which is different from centrism how?

[Jelmatt]

So you just don't like the term centrist? Because what you're describing is centrism.

Seriously, stop. I'd like to be called transpartisan. I am asking you to call me by my ideology, which is a legitimate one and a major world leader is transpartisan.
There's lots of differences from centrism, and also centrism cannot appeal to both sides, which is my core goal. Their methods are doing that via middle ground, while I take ideas from the center left and center right, and the normal left and right, but avoiding the far-left and right.

If you mean Macron, no, Macron's literally just a liberal centrist through and through.

And you have an exceedingly narrow definition of centrism if you think it means having middle-ground positions on every issue.

[Napkiraly]

So you're into anarcho-fascism? I mean, rare, but not groundbreaking.

I'm not nationalistic either, I view nationalism as harmful to helping the nation ironically enough. My duty is to help both the people of the nation and world equally, while not advocating for a global government.
I'm about helping people.
And I'm against anarchy too, too decentralized.

Oh so you're just a moderate fascist then? Or perhaps Integralists like Maurras? So proto-fascism.

[Mattopilos II]

So you just don't like the term centrist? Because what you're describing is centrism.

Seriously, stop. I'd like to be called transpartisan. I am asking you to call me by my ideology, which is a legitimate one and a major world leader is transpartisan.
There's lots of differences from centrism, and also centrism cannot appeal to both sides, which is my core goal. Their methods are doing that via middle ground, while I take ideas from the center left and center right, and the normal left and right, but avoiding the far-left and right.

Third Way politics must blow your fucking mind, then.

[Bakery Hill]

So you just don't like the term centrist? Because what you're describing is centrism.

Seriously, stop. I'd like to be called transpartisan. I am asking you to call me by my ideology, which is a legitimate one and a major world leader is transpartisan.
There's lots of differences from centrism, and also centrism cannot appeal to both sides, which is my core goal. Their methods are doing that via middle ground, while I take ideas from the center left and center right, and the normal left and right, but avoiding the far-left and right.

I'm not setting out to offend you, but I'm telling you the truth as I and many other see it. Centrism does exactly what you describe as transpartisan. It's a cynical rebranding of centrist liberalism.

[Napkiraly]

Seriously, stop. I'd like to be called transpartisan. I am asking you to call me by my ideology, which is a legitimate one and a major world leader is transpartisan.
There's lots of differences from centrism, and also centrism cannot appeal to both sides, which is my core goal. Their methods are doing that via middle ground, while I take ideas from the center left and center right, and the normal left and right, but avoiding the far-left and right.

I'm not setting out to offend you, but I'm telling you the truth as I and many other see it. Centrism does exactly what you describe as transpartisan. It's a cynical rebranding of centrist liberalism.

Even worse it's basically just repeating the claims fascism made.

[New Emeline]

If you mean Macron, no, Macron's literally just a liberal centrist through and through.

And you have an exceedingly narrow definition of centrism if you think it means having middle-ground positions on every issue.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transpartisan
And I said stop. I'm transpartisan, so call me transpartisan.

God if you took out the political context, this would sound like a gender argument.

The problem is that there doesn’t seem to be that big of a difference between transpartisan and centrist.

[Napkiraly]

If you mean Macron, no, Macron's literally just a liberal centrist through and through.

And you have an exceedingly narrow definition of centrism if you think it means having middle-ground positions on every issue.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transpartisan
And I said stop. I'm transpartisan, so call me transpartisan.

God if you took out the political context, this would sound like a gender argument.

You mean like one of those Tumblr genders like Vapogender or Autigendered?

[Jelmatt]

If you mean Macron, no, Macron's literally just a liberal centrist through and through.

And you have an exceedingly narrow definition of centrism if you think it means having middle-ground positions on every issue.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transpartisan
And I said stop. I'm transpartisan, so call me transpartisan.

God if you took out the political context, this would sound like a gender argument.

Serious question, where did you actually learn this concept of "transpartisanship"?

[Ligurria]

Avoiding the far left and far right but accepting what you consider center left and center right. So your beliefs could be anything at all really. Lenin wrote a book denouncing what he considered left wing communism. I'm sure you wouldn't consider him a centrist. So what are your beliefs really without using the terms left or right?

[Mattopilos II]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transpartisan
And I said stop. I'm transpartisan, so call me transpartisan.

God if you took out the political context, this would sound like a gender argument.

The problem is that there doesn’t seem to be that big of a difference between transpartisan and centrist.

They are the same, in pretty much every way. Centrism tends to come about for the reasons given by whatever-you-call-thems this person quotes.

[New Emeline]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transpartisan
And I said stop. I'm transpartisan, so call me transpartisan.

God if you took out the political context, this would sound like a gender argument.

You mean like one of those Tumblr genders like Vapogender or Autigendered?

Please don’t be one of those people who think that is actually common...