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Was Trotsky Polyamorous?

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Postby Bakery Hill » Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:20 pm

Albrenia wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:It's not a choice between gold plated roads and mass starvation.


That sounds more like a traffic hazard than prosperity.

Prosperity is a social traffic hazard.
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Postby Albrenia » Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:22 pm

Bakery Hill wrote:
Albrenia wrote:
That sounds more like a traffic hazard than prosperity.

Prosperity is a social traffic hazard.


That's... actually kind of deep.

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Postby Bakery Hill » Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:23 pm

is it shitposting or is it philosophy?

:thinking:
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Postby Albrenia » Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:25 pm

Bakery Hill wrote:is it shitposting or is it philosophy?

:thinking:


Some sort of fusion, no doubt.

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Postby Bakery Hill » Tue Mar 20, 2018 11:16 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:Also I'm a pro-life macron fanboy.
Come at me haters.

There's no hate here, only pity and a vague embarrassment.
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Postby MERIZoC » Wed Mar 21, 2018 12:48 am

I'm an anti-Third International FRSO fanboy.
Come at me haters.

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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Wed Mar 21, 2018 12:48 am

Bakery Hill wrote:I despise prosperity.

I initially wrote this off as a meme, but then you defended it. Why? Why do you despise prosperity?
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Postby Albrenia » Wed Mar 21, 2018 1:24 am

Eternal Lotharia wrote:I took a Isidewith test and apparently I side most with Hillary clinton. :unsure:
Idk if upset or proud.


Well, there's no result from that test which could be counted as 'good'.

At least you're not Trump.

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Postby Albrenia » Wed Mar 21, 2018 1:30 am

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Albrenia wrote:
Well, there's no result from that test which could be counted as 'good'.

At least you're not Trump.

I hated clinton tho.
I was a bernie fan through and through despite major differences, I'm also apparently 64% democrat. I also really like Kasich.
And are you saying no good result because all the candidates were crap?
That'd make sense.


Yup. If someone put a gun to my head and make me choose I'd say Bernie, but he has many flaws of his own.

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Postby Reikoku » Wed Mar 21, 2018 2:09 am

Eternal Lotharia wrote:All we're doing is trying to save children man.


By harassing vulnerable women and attempting to defund one of the most cost affordable places where they can receive important health services, such as pap smears and STD checks.
Eternal Lotharia wrote:I don't want to engage in a pro-life debate, but my point is the slander needs to stop.


Then why does the Pro-Life constantly push slander such as “Planned Parenthood is selling dead baby parts for profit?”

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Postby Bakery Hill » Wed Mar 21, 2018 2:10 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:I despise prosperity.

I initially wrote this off as a meme, but then you defended it. Why? Why do you despise prosperity?

Combat decadence.
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Postby Democratic Communist Federation » Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:05 am

Aillyria wrote:Obviously not, if we were aware of your irritation.


Well, I don't take pleasure in my political enemies. However, it was not my intention to offend anyone.
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Postby Democratic Communist Federation » Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:06 am

Eternal Lotharia wrote:My economic views are not leftist, centrist, or right wing, instead purely pragmatic and driven by what I see as necessary and needed, and based on context.


That sounds like what is commonly called Realpolitik .
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Postby Democratic Communist Federation » Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:07 am

Eternal Lotharia wrote:By the way, am I the only one seeing the increased radicalization of the left and right?
It's worrying.


I want to see more radicalization on the Left.
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Postby Democratic Communist Federation » Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:12 am

MERIZoC wrote:I'm an anti-Third International FRSO fanboy.
Come at me haters.


Which FRSO? There are two of them: the Maoists and the Left Refoundationists.
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Postby Bakery Hill » Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:13 am

freedom road
take me home
to the place
where I belong
california
vegan gulag
take me home
freedom road
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:15 am

Democratic Communist Federation wrote:
Eternal Lotharia wrote:By the way, am I the only one seeing the increased radicalization of the left and right?
It's worrying.


I want to see more radicalization on the Left.


More surfer types, beach party rallies, and - hopefully - plenty of food for Mr Sharkie. A good program.
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:20 am

Bakery Hill wrote:freedom road
take me home
to the place
where I belong
california
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take me home
freedom road

So goddamn horrible 10/10
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:20 am

Eternal Lotharia wrote:I'm a transpartisan.
not a centrist.

so am I in the wrong thread?

Aren’t you just a special little snowflake
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Postby Albrenia » Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:24 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Democratic Communist Federation wrote:
I want to see more radicalization on the Left.


More surfer types, beach party rallies, and - hopefully - plenty of food for Mr Sharkie. A good program.


Totally radical, dude. We'll teach the Gromits how to Hang Ten maaaan.

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Postby Zakuvia » Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:31 am

Sadly, thanks to the shift in the Overton Window, as a moderate, my views are damn-near authoritarian by most modern-left standards, even though I still manage to infuriate both my extreme-left/right groups. It's sort of nice being hated by everybody. Let's me know I'm not drinking the Kool-Aid of either flavor.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:25 am

Jelmatt wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:They do very much in radicalism, which considers "general will" to be above the law. The Declaration can be read in different ways, but radicals (including its author) certainly understood it to mean this.


Radicalism, at least the kind which descends from Rousseau (if I'm interpreting your reference to "general will" correctly) considers the general will to be the (only) legitimate basis of law, not something above the law.

And by extension, above the law, as law becomes invalid whenever general will doesn't concur with it, even if general will made it, as liberalism subscribes to "philosophical presentism".

In the French Revolution, it was held above the law. This doctrine was eventually an important basis of fascism, where it was believed a dictator could embody the national will and liberate it from the rule of law.

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Postby The Parkus Empire » Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:34 am

Eternal Lotharia wrote:By the way, am I the only one seeing the increased radicalization of the left and right?
It's worrying.

Not really, since "radical" in the sense you are using it just means "more that moderate dissent from the status quo".
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:42 am

The Parkus Empire wrote:
Eternal Lotharia wrote:By the way, am I the only one seeing the increased radicalization of the left and right?
It's worrying.

Not really, since "radical" in the sense you are using it just means "more that moderate dissent from the status quo".

The status quo is better than the "radicals."
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Postby Firaxin » Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:42 am

I'm not the only one turned off by the constant derogatory statements about the rich, right? They are people too, even if some of them are consumed by Greed. We shouldn't attack them, we should make them recognize what they are doing is wrong. If they refuse then we force them to comply by law, for their own good.

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