Left Wing Discussion Thread IV: Oh Hai Marx

[Albrenia]

That's a pretty complex issue, but I can say I appreciate helping refugees on compassionate grounds.

What are said compramises?

Not sure I follow what you mean, sorry.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

He was a very ardent supporter of Bush's "war on terror".

Never trust a trot.

You can trust Orwell tho!

[Irona]

Never trust a trot.

You can trust Orwell tho!

He fought with POUM but I don’t think that necessary proves he was a Trotskyist

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

You can trust Orwell tho!

He fought with POUM but I don’t think that necessary proves he was a Trotskyist

True, but were Hitchens' Trotskyist leanings that clearly defined either?

[Pilarcraft]

Alright people, I was just in a debate with someone who claimed that
1- Venezuela is Social Democratic
and 2- Social Democracy is socialism


how do I proceed?

[Irona]

Alright people, I was just in a debate with someone who claimed that
1- Venezuela is Social Democratic
and 2- Social Democracy is socialism


how do I proceed?

He might be using the original definition of social democracy

[Pilarcraft]

Alright people, I was just in a debate with someone who claimed that
1- Venezuela is Social Democratic
and 2- Social Democracy is socialism


how do I proceed?

He might be using the original definition of social democracy

he argued that after he claimed Sweden was social democratic though.

[Albrenia]

Alright people, I was just in a debate with someone who claimed that
1- Venezuela is Social Democratic
and 2- Social Democracy is socialism


how do I proceed?

He might be using the original definition of social democracy

Very light on the 'democracy' part, at that.

[Irona]

He fought with POUM but I don’t think that necessary proves he was a Trotskyist

True, but were Hitchens' Trotskyist leanings that clearly defined either?

I haven’t a clue. In my experience lots of people who go through a Trotskyist phase only do so because they haven’t got a clue what they want. All they know is they want something different.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Alright people, I was just in a debate with someone who claimed that
1- Venezuela is Social Democratic
and 2- Social Democracy is socialism


how do I proceed?

Tell them that to be a social democracy, you have to be a democracy. Although if they're arguing that Venezuela is failing as a result of its leftist economic policies, they have a point.

[Pilarcraft]

Alright people, I was just in a debate with someone who claimed that
1- Venezuela is Social Democratic
and 2- Social Democracy is socialism


how do I proceed?

Tell them that to be a social democracy, you have to be a democracy. Although if they're arguing that Venezuela is failing as a result of its leftist economic policies, they have a point.

muh 70% private economy

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Tell them that to be a social democracy, you have to be a democracy. Although if they're arguing that Venezuela is failing as a result of its leftist economic policies, they have a point.

muh 70% private economy

Read my post again. I never said it was Socialist.

[Pilarcraft]

muh 70% private economy

Read my post again. I never said it was Socialist.

Hm true.
Apologies. It is true that dumb ass policies are partly to blame for Venezuela's failings, (Personally I think it's the dumb ass parts, not the left-wing parts, but they align unfortunately)

[Aellex]

So liberals are all tumors on society? How can you be a tumor on society without hurting or stealing from anyone?

Not all liberals, no.
Decadence is a slow and insidious killer but a killer nonetheless.

It's only better to hurt than be hurt if you're an egoist, which... is tied with liberalism.

No, it's better to hurt than be hurt depending on the situation, political beliefs are unrelated to that.

Okay, moral compass twisted then. Please turn this into a discussion on morality.

Morality can not be twisted given it is God-given. We can turn this into a discussion on the pale parody of morality that are ethics if you want, tho.

[Jackania yugo]

So computing forever is bad because...

[Albrenia]

So liberals are all tumors on society? How can you be a tumor on society without hurting or stealing from anyone?

Not all liberals, no.
Decadence is a slow and insidious killer but a killer nonetheless.

It's only better to hurt than be hurt if you're an egoist, which... is tied with liberalism.

No, it's better to hurt than be hurt depending on the situation, political beliefs are unrelated to that.

Okay, moral compass twisted then. Please turn this into a discussion on morality.

Morality can not be twisted given it is God-given. We can turn this into a discussion on the pale parody of morality that are ethics if you want, tho.

Several Gods have given several different moralities, though.

[Pilarcraft]

Not all liberals, no.
Decadence is a slow and insidious killer but a killer nonetheless.

No, it's better to hurt than be hurt depending on the situation, political beliefs are unrelated to that.

Morality can not be twisted given it is God-given. We can turn this into a discussion on the pale parody of morality that are ethics if you want, tho.

Several Gods have given several different moralities, though.

He means the One True God™, obviously.

[Dumb Ideologies]

So liberals are all tumors on society? How can you be a tumor on society without hurting or stealing from anyone?

Not all liberals, no.
Decadence is a slow and insidious killer but a killer nonetheless.

Like a low-level carbon monoxide leak?

I'm a CO-atomkin. My pronouns are wheeze, cough, choke.

[Albrenia]

So computing forever is bad because...

Not too familiar with the guy, but a quick search on Youtube looks like he's just another "classical liberal" skeptic type on Youtube. Don't know enough about him to say if he's good or bad though, besides the usual distrust of strange different people and feminism one usually sees from "classical liberals".

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Not all liberals, no.
Decadence is a slow and insidious killer but a killer nonetheless.

Like a low-level carbon monoxide leak?

I'm a CO-atomkin. My pronouns are wheeze, cough, choke.

Hot. I identify as dihydrogen monoxide. I've gone through two thirds of my transition. (drip/drop)

[Jackania yugo]

so...most youtube "skeptics" are classic liberals.

What are those?

Is it a bad thing?

[Mattopilos II]

so...most youtube "skeptics" are classic liberals.

What are those?

Is it a bad thing?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism

wiki is your friend.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

so...most youtube "skeptics" are classic liberals.

What are those?

Is it a bad thing?

It's better than socialism at least.

[Jackania yugo]

so...most youtube "skeptics" are classic liberals.

What are those?

Is it a bad thing?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism

wiki is your friend.

Doesn't seem to bad.

What wrong with the skeptics then (other then some of them being alt-right)?

[Mattopilos II]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism

wiki is your friend.

Doesn't seem to bad.

What wrong with the skeptics then (other then some of them being alt-right)?

classical liberalism tends to lend itself to centrist middle-ground fallacies.