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Postby Liriena » Sat Mar 10, 2018 10:37 am

Proctopeo wrote:Since we're talking skeptics, anyone interested in hearing about the only two I actually watch (and only one consistently)?

Sure. :3
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Postby Collatis » Sat Mar 10, 2018 10:40 am

Cekoviu wrote:
Collatis wrote:Horseshoe theory makes it blatantly obvious that you’re the fascist.

Stick a :^) on there or we might think you’re serious.

I thought mentioning horseshoe theory was enough :p

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Postby Liriena » Sat Mar 10, 2018 10:42 am

Collatis wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Stick a :^) on there or we might think you’re serious.

I thought mentioning horseshoe theory was enough :p

Now, fishhook theory... :3
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Postby Proctopeo » Sat Mar 10, 2018 10:45 am

Liriena wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:Since we're talking skeptics, anyone interested in hearing about the only two I actually watch (and only one consistently)?

Sure. :3

I'm not going to gush about their quality much; the two are Armored Skeptic and Harmful Opinions. I watch the former more than the latter, mostly because he actually inflects his voice more than a quarter of the time.
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Postby Collatis » Sat Mar 10, 2018 10:51 am

Liriena wrote:
Collatis wrote:I thought mentioning horseshoe theory was enough :p

Now, fishhook theory… :3

Now that’s a theory I’d believe in.

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Postby Proctopeo » Sat Mar 10, 2018 10:53 am

Liriena wrote:
Collatis wrote:I thought mentioning horseshoe theory was enough :p

Now, fishhook theory... :3

I prefer "Point theory" myself.
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Postby The Multiversal Communist Collective » Sat Mar 10, 2018 10:57 am

Aillyria wrote:I simply consider reformism a foolish and ineffective tactic.


Exactly, and usually a tactic without a firm basis in ideology.

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Postby Genivaria » Sat Mar 10, 2018 10:57 am

Proctopeo wrote:
Liriena wrote:Sure. :3

I'm not going to gush about their quality much; the two are Armored Skeptic and Harmful Opinions. I watch the former more than the latter, mostly because he actually inflects his voice more than a quarter of the time.

I like Armored Skeptic's response videos about religion and the 'Spirit Science' videos are hilarious.
But I prefer Holy Koolaid.
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Postby Liriena » Sat Mar 10, 2018 11:00 am

Proctopeo wrote:
Liriena wrote:Sure. :3

I'm not going to gush about their quality much; the two are Armored Skeptic and Harmful Opinions. I watch the former more than the latter, mostly because he actually inflects his voice more than a quarter of the time.

I've always thought of Armoired Skeptic as being decent.
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Postby The Multiversal Communist Collective » Sat Mar 10, 2018 11:00 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:If you can't establish Socialism through reform, don't establish Socialism. Game over, thanks for playing. Revolutionary violence is NOT acceptable.


The point of revolution, from a Marxist POV, is the emancipation of the proletariat from capitalism. A revolution can, in principle, occur without violence. However, in the case of capitalism, with its entrenched power structures, a violent revolution (while nothing to look forward to) would seem inevitable. People rarely give up their power willingly.

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Postby The Multiversal Communist Collective » Sat Mar 10, 2018 11:03 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:It's worthy of civil disobedience, but not of violence.


Civil disobedience to overturn capitalism? Riiiight. Good luck with that plan. :lol:

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Postby Proctopeo » Sat Mar 10, 2018 11:08 am

Liriena wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:I'm not going to gush about their quality much; the two are Armored Skeptic and Harmful Opinions. I watch the former more than the latter, mostly because he actually inflects his voice more than a quarter of the time.

I've always thought of Armoired Skeptic as being decent.

Do you have any specific complaints with him?
The only one I have is the whole "Candid Shillpocalypse" debacle. At least he pretended that it never happened, unlike others who dug themselves deeper and deeper into the mess.
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Postby Liriena » Sat Mar 10, 2018 11:18 am

Proctopeo wrote:
Liriena wrote:I've always thought of Armoired Skeptic as being decent.

Do you have any specific complaints with him?
The only one I have is the whole "Candid Shillpocalypse" debacle. At least he pretended that it never happened, unlike others who dug themselves deeper and deeper into the mess.

Not off the top of my head.
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I am:
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Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism,
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Postby Proctopeo » Sat Mar 10, 2018 11:19 am

Liriena wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:Do you have any specific complaints with him?
The only one I have is the whole "Candid Shillpocalypse" debacle. At least he pretended that it never happened, unlike others who dug themselves deeper and deeper into the mess.

Not off the top of my head.

Okay! :D
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Postby Reikoku » Sat Mar 10, 2018 11:35 am

Liriena wrote:
Questers wrote:Like sometimes I read sjw editorials on the grauniad. It makes me angry and confused but I still read them. Its always important to digest other opinions.

Indeed. Which is why I still read stuff like La Nación, the conservative newspaper of my region. Their hot takes are the living embodiment of traditionalist stuffiness, but I read them anyway. (Though I've long since learned to avoid their comments section like the plague)

Heck, I even read that amazing op-ed some guy wrote in which he unironically argued that the First Order were the true heroes of The Force Awakens.


I tried reading Revolt Against the Modern World, but it was too droll and I had to give up.

Far-right literature is almost always poorly done.

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Postby Aillyria » Sat Mar 10, 2018 11:35 am

Genivaria wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:I'm not going to gush about their quality much; the two are Armored Skeptic and Harmful Opinions. I watch the former more than the latter, mostly because he actually inflects his voice more than a quarter of the time.

I like Armored Skeptic's response videos about religion and the 'Spirit Science' videos are hilarious.
But I prefer Holy Koolaid.

The Spirit Science stuff makes me cringe.....I was like "People actually believe this shit?".
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Well you aren't a real socialist. Just a sociopath disguised as one.
Not to mention that this thread split off from LWDT, so I assumed you would think this thread was a "revisionist hellhole".

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Postby Liriena » Sat Mar 10, 2018 11:38 am

Reikoku wrote:
Liriena wrote:Indeed. Which is why I still read stuff like La Nación, the conservative newspaper of my region. Their hot takes are the living embodiment of traditionalist stuffiness, but I read them anyway. (Though I've long since learned to avoid their comments section like the plague)

Heck, I even read that amazing op-ed some guy wrote in which he unironically argued that the First Order were the true heroes of The Force Awakens.


I tried reading Revolt Against the Modern World, but it was too droll and I had to give up.

[u]Far-right literature is almost always poorly done.[/u]

Tell me about it.

Did you hear Chapo Trap House's reading of Ben Shapiro's novel? That stuff is the best unwitting indictment of the "New York Times Bestseller" brand ever.
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Postby Genivaria » Sat Mar 10, 2018 11:50 am

Aillyria wrote:
Genivaria wrote:I like Armored Skeptic's response videos about religion and the 'Spirit Science' videos are hilarious.
But I prefer Holy Koolaid.

The Spirit Science stuff makes me cringe.....I was like "People actually believe this shit?".

'The Moon is Fake, I guess?' I just couldn't stop laughing.

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Postby Aillyria » Sat Mar 10, 2018 11:53 am

Genivaria wrote:
Aillyria wrote:The Spirit Science stuff makes me cringe.....I was like "People actually believe this shit?".

'The Moon is Fake, I guess?' I just couldn't stop laughing.

According to Thoth, the Moon is fake.
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West Oros wrote:GOD DAMMIT! I thought you wouldn't be here.
Well you aren't a real socialist. Just a sociopath disguised as one.
Not to mention that this thread split off from LWDT, so I assumed you would think this thread was a "revisionist hellhole".

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Postby New Emeline » Sat Mar 10, 2018 12:37 pm

Aillyria wrote:
Genivaria wrote:'The Moon is Fake, I guess?' I just couldn't stop laughing.

According to Thoth, the Moon is fake.

Thoth, the Egyptian god of wisdom? Khonsu isn't going to be very happy about that.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Sat Mar 10, 2018 1:44 pm

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United Muscovite Nations wrote:People living in US territories don't vote for legislators, but they still have to pay federal taxes.


You'd think the US of all places would not approve of that sort of thing.

Not necessarily, since the United States was not a British territory, and therefore parliament had no jurisdiction over us. Only the king did, and his authority was negotiated in colonial charters, and it obviously didn't include raising taxes (since the king doesn't have the legal authority to tax without parliament--he would have to have American colonial legislatures approve it). Now British parliament already passed an act which forbid us to trade with anyone except Britain; this was odious, but we let it slide since it technically covered the seas, not the colonies themselves. We also felt gratitude to Britain for helping secure us against French aggression. But when the king levied taxes, that was legally not possible through a foreign parliament.
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Postby Reikoku » Sat Mar 10, 2018 2:07 pm

New Emeline wrote:
Aillyria wrote:According to Thoth, the Moon is fake.

Thoth, the Egyptian god of wisdom? Khonsu isn't going to be very happy about that.


Well people have said that the Islamic God (who is also the God of the Bible) is actually a moon god.

So this means Tsukuyomi-no-mikoto is actually the god of monotheism?

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Postby The Parkus Empire » Sat Mar 10, 2018 2:12 pm

Reikoku wrote:Well people have said that the Islamic God (who is also the God of the Bible)

Source?
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Postby Liriena » Sat Mar 10, 2018 2:17 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
Reikoku wrote:Well people have said that the Islamic God (who is also the God of the Bible)

Source?

http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/tex ... verse%3D46

[46] And do not dispute with the followers of the Book except by what is best, except those of them who act unjustly, and say: We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you, and our Allah and your Allah is One, and to Him do we submit.
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Postby Liriena » Sat Mar 10, 2018 2:17 pm

Reikoku wrote:Well people have said that the Islamic God (who is also the God of the Bible) is actually a moon god.

You've watched Dark Dungeons too, haven't you? :P
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I am:
A pansexual, pantheist, green socialist
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Political compass stuff:
Economic Left/Right: -8.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.92
For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism,
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