Trump MAGAThread XII: A Tarriff-ic Thread!

[Cannot think of a name]

All CtoaN is saying is that the idea America was founded by freedom loving pilgrims who wanted to be free to practice their religion is a deep part of America's view of its founding, from Thanksgiving to Plymouth Rock and etc. And it has been for a long while.

Regardless of the specific truth - given they didn't land at Plymouth Rock, Thanksgiving wasn't that first winter, they were a bunch of bastards who believed in restricting religion to their own practice - or indeed the specific wording as to saying whether CtoaN believed that myth himself - which clearly he doesn't - it's all a bit moot when you have people like Scott Pruitt, where this started, saying the barriers between religion and state should be taken down, along with all the other shitty stuff he said, like not believing in evolution when he's head of the EPA.

Fuck the 1st Amendment, oh the 2nd is divine.. he specifically said it was divinely ordained.. I mean..

Fucking great administration you all have there #MAGA

What makes this worse is one of my favorite race car drivers, from my home area even, is also named Scott Pruitt. And that's the real tragedy here...

[Bakery Hill]

All CtoaN is saying is that the idea America was founded by freedom loving pilgrims who wanted to be free to practice their religion is a deep part of America's view of its founding, from Thanksgiving to Plymouth Rock and etc. And it has been for a long while.

Regardless of the specific truth - given they didn't land at Plymouth Rock, Thanksgiving wasn't that first winter, they were a bunch of bastards who believed in restricting religion to their own practice - or indeed the specific wording as to saying whether CtoaN believed that myth himself - which clearly he doesn't - it's all a bit moot when you have people like Scott Pruitt, where this started, saying the barriers between religion and state should be taken down, along with all the other shitty stuff he said, like not believing in evolution when he's head of the EPA.

Fuck the 1st Amendment, oh the 2nd is divine.. he specifically said it was divinely ordained.. I mean..

Fucking great administration you all have there #MAGA

Nah he directly said that it was found by religious refugees who wanted a separation between church and state. And then spins this bullshit about "ohh it's mythology, the truth doesn't matter" Soldati was right to pick it up there. On the broader point, let's not kid ourselves Trump and even many of his conservative colleagues are far more liberal than these saintly founding fathers, whose ideas have been skewed by whichever faction needed. As Parkus pointed out, individual states including those said to be founded by these plucky refugees, were free to compel people to attend church and follow the sabbath if they so chose and did so.

[Bombadil]

You can call someone out without arguing about it for post upon post upon post. Its not even that big of a deal. Its the Trump Megathread. Are you saying that you have nothing Trump related to say?

Oh the irony.

Let's be honest, this thread only exists so that everyone who is anti-Trump can comment on how much of an asshole he is. Even if one goes "Well, he is doing something okay", everyone else loses their minds.

SO what "Trump-related" thing can I say? Because I am not going to say what you want to hear anyways.

You missed my 'Trump is rather amusing' post just a few up from this.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

For a change of channel.. Trump is rather amusing..

– On his son-in-law, Jared Kushner: “We were late tonight because Jared could not get through security.”

– On attorney general Jeff Sessions: “I offered him a ride over and he recused himself. What are you going to do?”

– On vice-president Mike Pence: “I really am proud to call him the apprentice. But lately he’s showing a particularly keen interest in the news these days. He is asking ‘has he been impeached yet?’ I don’t like that.”

– On former chief strategist Steve Bannon: “That guy leaked more than the Titanic.”

– On The New York Times: “I’m a New York icon. You’re a New York icon. And the only difference is I still own my buildings.”

- “So many people have been leaving the White House. It’s invigorating since you want turnover. I like chaos. It really is good,” he said. “Who’s going to be the next to leave? [Trump adviser] Steve Miller or Melania?”

- “I won’t rule out direct talks with Kim Jong-un. I just won’t. As far as the risk of dealing with a madman is concerned, that’s his problem, not mine.”

I mean, he is amusing, and here's my thing: his idiocy eclipses the good he does. But that doesn't mean he doesn't do good, just that he's an idiot.

[Mujahidah]

Oh the irony.

What irony?

Let's be honest, this thread only exists so that everyone who is anti-Trump can comment on how much of an asshole he is. Even if one goes "Well, he is doing something okay", everyone else loses their minds.

Thats a rather cynical outlook.

SO what "Trump-related" thing can I say? Because I am not going to say what you want to hear anyways.

How about instead of engaging in pedantics you say whatever unpopular thing you want to say and we can have a discussion about that instead of some posters poor history?

[Bakery Hill]

No, I am under the impression you just used a shitty appeal to not seem wrong.

But please, educate me, since apparently you think I need my hand held like a child when you yourself fucked up factually and are now using a bullshit ideological excuse to deal with your fuckup.

I'm not sure what gaps lie in your education that you weren't introduced to these concepts already and am not now nor have I ever been employed as a teacher. You want to believe that's the case, great. Thank you for your input. I don't have the time or inclination to catch you up with the rest of the class.

You know arrogance and condescension isn't usually a very good defence.

[Bakery Hill]

And threes my limit. Believe what you like.

the problem with you statement is the nation was not founded by religious refugees at all, the puritans thought themselves english to the core. the idea of "americans" did not even begin to formulate till the 1760's. THe nation was founded by elite businessmen and planters.

This is also a good point.

[Bombadil]

the problem with you statement is the nation was not founded by religious refugees at all, the puritans thought themselves english to the core. the idea of "americans" did not even begin to formulate till the 1760's. THe nation was founded by elite businessmen and planters.

This is also a good point.

Get thee back to kindergarten,, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kuz7GXb7QMU

I'm sure if you asked Scott Pruitt how America was founded he'd be all 'well the Pilgrims escaped England to be free to practice their religion and they landed at Plymouth Rock and had a lovely feast with Indians and that is how America was founded.'

I mean, he is amusing, and here's my thing: his idiocy eclipses the good he does. But that doesn't mean he doesn't do good, just that he's an idiot.

Good things I believe he's done.. well essentially I think he's actually taken the right course with North Korea, call out KJI and screw him with sanctions.

Other than that I honestly struggle.

[Bakery Hill]

This is also a good point.

Get thee back to kindergarten,, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kuz7GXb7QMU

I'm sure if you asked Scott Pruitt how America was founded he'd be all 'well the Pilgrims escaped England to be free to practice their religion and they landed at Plymouth Rock and had a lovely feast with Indians and that is how America was founded.'

I mean, he is amusing, and here's my thing: his idiocy eclipses the good he does. But that doesn't mean he doesn't do good, just that he's an idiot.

Good things I believe he's done.. well essentially I think he's actually taken the right course with North Korea, call out KJI and screw him with sanctions.

Other than that I honestly struggle.

That seems to be the current level of American historical discourse.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

This is also a good point.

Get thee back to kindergarten,, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kuz7GXb7QMU

I'm sure if you asked Scott Pruitt how America was founded he'd be all 'well the Pilgrims escaped England to be free to practice their religion and they landed at Plymouth Rock and had a lovely feast with Indians and that is how America was founded.'

I mean, he is amusing, and here's my thing: his idiocy eclipses the good he does. But that doesn't mean he doesn't do good, just that he's an idiot.

Good things I believe he's done.. well essentially I think he's actually taken the right course with North Korea, call out KJI and screw him with sanctions.

Other than that I honestly struggle.

I can find good things he's done without going too far to be quite honest. I think the tariffs were a good move to bring China to heel, and that his immigration moves, while unpopular, have spurred congress to try to resolve the immigration issue of DREAMERs and other illegal immigrants here in the US.

I personally agree with him on the border, although I personally believe his idea of a wall is still stupid and he'll never get it, but I do think we should strengthen our southern border, and in that at least I am in agreement. Further, I think he's doing what Democrats couldn't do under Obama: make immigration issues a dinner-table talk instead of just that conversation you have every once in a while.

In regards of foreign policy, I am glad he's finally using the "we're assholes" talk I thought we should a long time ago instead of giving florid speeches and yet pushing the dagger under the cloak.

I also happen to agree with his tax cuts, mostly because right now people have more disposable income. Sure, it's not much, but people have to realize that 100 dollars on a tax return for someone living in a nice house with a comfy income might not be a big deal, but to someone who literally needs those 100 extra dollars it is a big deal, or having bonuses given to them and raises. I think the fact of the issue in the deficit he created is stupid, but I can't really nail him for on-the-ground results. He did something that helped a lot of people with money that they wouldn't have otherwise have had.

I honestly also like the fact he has betrayed his own base with his words. And that's honestly one of the good things I find in this election about him. That he's making his own allies so mad or bend on the fanboyism, which is hilariously good, since the tears are so amusing.

I still think he's an idiot, and my dislike of him hasn't changed, but I can agree with some of the things he's doing. I mean, it's been a year and I am still as anti-Trump as I was back then, but I am honestly not even salty he won. So I can find the good among the bullshit.

[Bombadil]

I can find good things he's done without going too far to be quite honest. I think the tariffs were a good move to bring China to heel, and that his immigration moves, while unpopular, have spurred congress to try to resolve the immigration issue of DREAMERs and other illegal immigrants here in the US.

I personally agree with him on the border, although I personally believe his idea of a wall is still stupid and he'll never get it, but I do think we should strengthen our southern border, and in that at least I am in agreement. Further, I think he's doing what Democrats couldn't do under Obama: make immigration issues a dinner-table talk instead of just that conversation you have every once in a while.

In regards of foreign policy, I am glad he's finally using the "we're assholes" talk I thought we should a long time ago instead of giving florid speeches and yet pushing the dagger under the cloak.

I also happen to agree with his tax cuts, mostly because right now people have more disposable income. Sure, it's not much, but people have to realize that 100 dollars on a tax return for someone living in a nice house with a comfy income might not be a big deal, but to someone who literally needs those 100 extra dollars it is a big deal.

I still think he's an idiot, but I can agree with some of the things he's doing.

I don't think these tariffs will happen, I mean it takes a bit of detail and working out to account for any exceptions and etc., where the pressure will come from American businesses who have supply chain management based on imports.. not that it affects China hugely, nor do auto tariffs on German cars from Europe since most German cars in the US are built in the US or Mexico.

I don't remember if white goods and windmills actually went through - I actually need to look at whether he can just dump tariffs by executive order or it needs a bill and approval.

I'm easy/either on tax cuts as I don't see where he gets all this money he's promising to the military, infrastructure and the wall when he's drastically reduced government income.. another spike in government debt I guess.

On immigration.. I think you're right that not only in America but also Europe we need to be talking straight on immigration. There's the emotional upheaval and then disputed economic costs. However it's causing Brexit, Trump, let's see how Italy goes.. ultimately it's creating division and consequences - we do need to cross the divide and speak to those who feel, or are, threatened by it.

Frankly I don't think Trump is the leading edge here, he's the base bottom of a wider convergence of technology, libertarianism, backlash against 'let's all be equal friends' and others.

Anyway, back to bickering..

[Albrenia]

I don't really think anything he does will bring China to heel at all, to be honest. That's even if the tariffs happen, which isn't a sure thing.

Also I heard he made some comment about thinking the US should try 'president for life'... which seems like an odd thing to say from an actual democracy.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I don't really think anything he does will bring China to heel at all, to be honest. That's even if the tariffs happen, which isn't a sure thing.

Also I heard he made some comment about thinking the US should try 'president for life'... which seems like an odd thing to say from an actual democracy.

Yea, he is an idiot, but like I said, just because he's an idiot doesn't mean I can't agree with him.

[Albrenia]

I don't really think anything he does will bring China to heel at all, to be honest. That's even if the tariffs happen, which isn't a sure thing.

Also I heard he made some comment about thinking the US should try 'president for life'... which seems like an odd thing to say from an actual democracy.

Yea, he is an idiot, but like I said, just because he's an idiot doesn't mean I can't agree with him.

True that.

I agree with him on enjoying cheeseburgers, so there's that. Also on stairs being a pain in the ass, and germs being bad.

[Oil exporting People]

As well they should.

The UK didn't benefit from the Marshall plan. The US didn't see us as falling to communism.

Which would come as a hell of shock to Keynes and others, who worked to get U.S. loans in the late 1940s that saved the British economy.

[Oil exporting People]

Yeah who cares if they dont like us or dont want to loan us money anymore which personally i think they should do.

In previous conversations, you've stated you would consciously avoid the draft if instituted and now are stating you wish for hypothetical ruin to befall your nation. Please do not ever let me catch you claiming you're patriotic, because I will call you on it.

Stop loaning us money and buying treasury bonds.

Which they don't do now in any sufficient quantities to be an issue.

[Aellex]

"Et tu Cruz?"

-Trump's last words after being stabbed by the Zodiac Killer on the Senate floor.

>implying Trump knows any Latin

The man can hardly speak basic English, lets not go too crazy with these ideas.

That sentence was originally said in Greek, tho.

[Bakery Hill]

>implying Trump knows any Latin

The man can hardly speak basic English, lets not go too crazy with these ideas.

That sentence was originally said in Greek, tho.

"Kai su, teknon?"

[Darussalam]

I think the tariffs were a good move to bring China to heel,

They address the issue of your trading partner's rocky coast by dumping rocks on your harbor.

[Militant Costco]

Get thee back to kindergarten,, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kuz7GXb7QMU

I'm sure if you asked Scott Pruitt how America was founded he'd be all 'well the Pilgrims escaped England to be free to practice their religion and they landed at Plymouth Rock and had a lovely feast with Indians and that is how America was founded.'



Good things I believe he's done.. well essentially I think he's actually taken the right course with North Korea, call out KJI and screw him with sanctions.

Other than that I honestly struggle.

I can find good things he's done without going too far to be quite honest. I think the tariffs were a good move to bring China to heel, and that his immigration moves, while unpopular, have spurred congress to try to resolve the immigration issue of DREAMERs and other illegal immigrants here in the US.

I personally agree with him on the border, although I personally believe his idea of a wall is still stupid and he'll never get it, but I do think we should strengthen our southern border, and in that at least I am in agreement. Further, I think he's doing what Democrats couldn't do under Obama: make immigration issues a dinner-table talk instead of just that conversation you have every once in a while.

In regards of foreign policy, I am glad he's finally using the "we're assholes" talk I thought we should a long time ago instead of giving florid speeches and yet pushing the dagger under the cloak.

I also happen to agree with his tax cuts, mostly because right now people have more disposable income. Sure, it's not much, but people have to realize that 100 dollars on a tax return for someone living in a nice house with a comfy income might not be a big deal, but to someone who literally needs those 100 extra dollars it is a big deal, or having bonuses given to them and raises. I think the fact of the issue in the deficit he created is stupid, but I can't really nail him for on-the-ground results. He did something that helped a lot of people with money that they wouldn't have otherwise have had.

I honestly also like the fact he has betrayed his own base with his words. And that's honestly one of the good things I find in this election about him. That he's making his own allies so mad or bend on the fanboyism, which is hilariously good, since the tears are so amusing.

I still think he's an idiot, and my dislike of him hasn't changed, but I can agree with some of the things he's doing. I mean, it's been a year and I am still as anti-Trump as I was back then, but I am honestly not even salty he won. So I can find the good among the bullshit.

The last time we had major tax cuts, we created the largest recession since the 1930's and reversed years of economic progress millions of Americans made.

Now I'm no economic expert, but I think I can safely say the next recession will cost the average American a little more than that $100 tax cut they got a few years back.

[Hallistrom]

Anyone have a second source on this/already posted it? I'd like to think it's fake news but it unfortunately jives with a lot of his authoritarian wet dreams

http://thehill.com/homenews/administrat ... -well-give

I think he was joking. Even he would hate that.

[Bombadil]

..have spurred congress to try to resolve the immigration issue of DREAMERs and other illegal immigrants here in the US.

Just on this..

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... s-deadline

Nothing again, a pronouncement, a tweet, a promise for the biggest and most beautiful.. and nothing. It's all noise and empty vessels.

[Luminesa]

This is also a good point.

Get thee back to kindergarten,, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kuz7GXb7QMU

I'm sure if you asked Scott Pruitt how America was founded he'd be all 'well the Pilgrims escaped England to be free to practice their religion and they landed at Plymouth Rock and had a lovely feast with Indians and that is how America was founded.'

I mean, he is amusing, and here's my thing: his idiocy eclipses the good he does. But that doesn't mean he doesn't do good, just that he's an idiot.

Good things I believe he's done.. well essentially I think he's actually taken the right course with North Korea, call out KJI and screw him with sanctions.

Other than that I honestly struggle.

...So the Founding Fathers were not elites?

[Bombadil]

Get thee back to kindergarten,, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kuz7GXb7QMU

I'm sure if you asked Scott Pruitt how America was founded he'd be all 'well the Pilgrims escaped England to be free to practice their religion and they landed at Plymouth Rock and had a lovely feast with Indians and that is how America was founded.'



Good things I believe he's done.. well essentially I think he's actually taken the right course with North Korea, call out KJI and screw him with sanctions.

Other than that I honestly struggle.

...So the Founding Fathers were not elites?

I.. umm.. sorry what's your question?

[Valrifell]

Get thee back to kindergarten,, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kuz7GXb7QMU

I'm sure if you asked Scott Pruitt how America was founded he'd be all 'well the Pilgrims escaped England to be free to practice their religion and they landed at Plymouth Rock and had a lovely feast with Indians and that is how America was founded.'



Good things I believe he's done.. well essentially I think he's actually taken the right course with North Korea, call out KJI and screw him with sanctions.

Other than that I honestly struggle.

...So the Founding Fathers were not elites?

You know, I can't help but feel a significant chunk of Americans would have dismissed the Founding Fathers at first sight for being "darn educated condescending elites."

Man, I hate anti-intellectualism.