Trump MAGAThread XII: A Tarriff-ic Thread!

[Cannot think of a name]

A country founded in large part by religious refugees who felt so strongly that the state should not be involved in a persons religion they put it first now wants to rethink that position that was at the core of their settlement? Awesome. Sort of hollows out all that fawning over “traditional American values.”

Hrm, the puritans? Aren't these the people who did the Salem witch trials?

Feel free to catch up on the rest of the conversation.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Hrm, the puritans? Aren't these the people who did the Salem witch trials?

Feel free to catch up on the rest of the conversation.

That's just you trying to backpedal from your mistake. You're not really saying anything that is influential to the conversation.

[Bombadil]

Feel free to catch up on the rest of the conversation.

That's just you trying to backpedal from your mistake. You're not really saying anything that is influential to the conversation.

Jesus.. I think that when anyone resorts to a line similar to 'But we should probably get this back to Trump' then any previous bickering should come to a halt, lord knows it will be but a page or two before something else starts.

[Cannot think of a name]

Feel free to catch up on the rest of the conversation.

That's just you trying to backpedal from your mistake. You're not really saying anything that is influential to the conversation.

Are you under the impression I added the word 'mythology' after the fact to my original post in order to backpedal or do you just not know how these things work?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

That's just you trying to backpedal from your mistake. You're not really saying anything that is influential to the conversation.

Are you under the impression I added the word 'mythology' after the fact to my original post in order to backpedal or do you just not know how these things work?

No, I am under the impression you just used a shitty appeal to not seem wrong.

But please, educate me, since apparently you think I need my hand held like a child when you yourself fucked up factually and are now using a bullshit ideological excuse to deal with your fuckup.

[Bakery Hill]

That's just you trying to backpedal from your mistake. You're not really saying anything that is influential to the conversation.

Jesus.. I think that when anyone resorts to a line similar to 'But we should probably get this back to Trump' then any previous bickering should come to a halt, lord knows it will be but a page or two before something else starts.

Then we constrict any sort of detailed and interesting conversation. What do we do if we can't reference the current presidency to it's historical context? And if we are against arguing, what point does this forum really serve?

[Bakery Hill]

That's just you trying to backpedal from your mistake. You're not really saying anything that is influential to the conversation.

Are you under the impression I added the word 'mythology' after the fact to my original post in order to backpedal or do you just not know how these things work?

Well your initial statement was:

A country founded in large part by religious refugees who felt so strongly that the state should not be involved in a persons religion they put it first now wants to rethink that position that was at the core of their settlement?

So I can see where he's coming from really.

[Bombadil]

Jesus.. I think that when anyone resorts to a line similar to 'But we should probably get this back to Trump' then any previous bickering should come to a halt, lord knows it will be but a page or two before something else starts.

Then we constrict any sort of detailed and interesting conversation. What do we do if we can't reference the current presidency to it's historical context? And if we are against arguing, what point does this forum really serve?

It's the 'I said', 'no you said' stuff that bores.. fine with deviating in general.

[Bakery Hill]

You really do have to be more specific. Which "this" are you talking about?

"Maybe we should try President for life someday"

Oh dear. Can you link to that?

[Bakery Hill]

Then we constrict any sort of detailed and interesting conversation. What do we do if we can't reference the current presidency to it's historical context? And if we are against arguing, what point does this forum really serve?

It's the 'I said', 'no you said' stuff that bores.. fine with deviating in general.

No I see your good point, but I think we must be held accountable if we want to have arguments in good faith.

[Cannot think of a name]

Are you under the impression I added the word 'mythology' after the fact to my original post in order to backpedal or do you just not know how these things work?

No, I am under the impression you just used a shitty appeal to not seem wrong.

But please, educate me, since apparently you think I need my hand held like a child when you yourself fucked up factually and are now using a bullshit ideological excuse to deal with your fuckup.

I'm not sure what gaps lie in your education that you weren't introduced to these concepts already and am not now nor have I ever been employed as a teacher. You want to believe that's the case, great. Thank you for your input. I don't have the time or inclination to catch you up with the rest of the class.

[Hayo]

"Maybe we should try President for life someday"

Oh dear. Can you link to that?

http://thehill.com/homenews/administrat ... -well-give

Trump's just joking about being a fascist though, right guys?

*sitcom laugh track*

[Cannot think of a name]

Are you under the impression I added the word 'mythology' after the fact to my original post in order to backpedal or do you just not know how these things work?

Well your initial statement was:

A country founded in large part by religious refugees who felt so strongly that the state should not be involved in a persons religion they put it first now wants to rethink that position that was at the core of their settlement?

So I can see where he's coming from really.

And threes my limit. Believe what you like.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

No, I am under the impression you just used a shitty appeal to not seem wrong.

But please, educate me, since apparently you think I need my hand held like a child when you yourself fucked up factually and are now using a bullshit ideological excuse to deal with your fuckup.

I'm not sure what gaps lie in your education that you weren't introduced to these concepts already and am not now nor have I ever been employed as a teacher. You want to believe that's the case, great. Thank you for your input. I don't have the time or inclination to catch you up with the rest of the class.

And I am not sure you have the capacity to understand or even recall historical facts instead of bullshit "mythology" notions nobody cares about. I mean, I am a history graduate, and I have never heard anyone even in post-grad courses talk about "mythology" as a reasonable excuse to a fact that was just wrong.

But hey, you're the one shitposting on a Saturday night with nothing better to do. I got plenty of shit to do than to correct someone who wants to keep being wrong and yet tries to be condescending to others when proved wrong.

[Bombadil]

All CtoaN is saying is that the idea America was founded by freedom loving pilgrims who wanted to be free to practice their religion is a deep part of America's view of its founding, from Thanksgiving to Plymouth Rock and etc. And it has been for a long while.

Regardless of the specific truth - given they didn't land at Plymouth Rock, Thanksgiving wasn't that first winter, they were a bunch of bastards who believed in restricting religion to their own practice - or indeed the specific wording as to saying whether CtoaN believed that myth himself - which clearly he doesn't - it's all a bit moot when you have people like Scott Pruitt, where this started, saying the barriers between religion and state should be taken down, along with all the other shitty stuff he said, like not believing in evolution when he's head of the EPA.

Fuck the 1st Amendment, oh the 2nd is divine.. he specifically said it was divinely ordained.. I mean..

Fucking great administration you all have there #MAGA

[Ethel mermania]

Well your initial statement was:



So I can see where he's coming from really.

And threes my limit. Believe what you like.

the problem with you statement is the nation was not founded by religious refugees at all, the puritans thought themselves english to the core. the idea of "americans" did not even begin to formulate till the 1760's. THe nation was founded by elite businessmen and planters.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

All CtoaN is saying is that the idea America was founded by freedom loving pilgrims who wanted to be free to practice their religion is a deep part of America's view of its founding, from Thanksgiving to Plymouth Rock and etc. And it has been for a long while.

Regardless of the specific truth - given they didn't land at Plymouth Rock, Thanksgiving wasn't that first winter, they were a bunch of bastards who believed in restricting religion to their own practice - or indeed the specific wording as to saying whether CtoaN believed that myth himself - which clearly he doesn't - it's all a bit moot when you have people like Scott Pruitt, where this started, saying the barriers between religion and state should be taken down, along with all the other shitty stuff he said, like not believing in evolution when he's head of the EPA.

Fucking great administration you all have there #MAGA

And what everyone else is saying is that he's just wrong. If his appeal is to the freedom-loving people for religious freedom there's plenty better examples that he could have drawn from than the Pilgrims.

And he is, in fact wrong.

I don't see how this can get any murkier.

[Bombadil]

All CtoaN is saying is that the idea America was founded by freedom loving pilgrims who wanted to be free to practice their religion is a deep part of America's view of its founding, from Thanksgiving to Plymouth Rock and etc. And it has been for a long while.

Regardless of the specific truth - given they didn't land at Plymouth Rock, Thanksgiving wasn't that first winter, they were a bunch of bastards who believed in restricting religion to their own practice - or indeed the specific wording as to saying whether CtoaN believed that myth himself - which clearly he doesn't - it's all a bit moot when you have people like Scott Pruitt, where this started, saying the barriers between religion and state should be taken down, along with all the other shitty stuff he said, like not believing in evolution when he's head of the EPA.

Fucking great administration you all have there #MAGA

And what everyone else is saying is that he's just wrong. If his appeal is to the freedom-loving people for religious freedom there's plenty better examples that he could have drawn from than the Pilgrims.

And he is, in fact wrong.

I don't see how this can get any murkier.

We should all post Wikipedia style posts complete with cites, clarifications and detailing down to the nitty gritty so the spirit of the point is not upended by the letter.

If you want to say the exact lettering he wrote is wrong and get him to capitulate on that point rather than accept the spirit of the point then carry on.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

And what everyone else is saying is that he's just wrong. If his appeal is to the freedom-loving people for religious freedom there's plenty better examples that he could have drawn from than the Pilgrims.

And he is, in fact wrong.

I don't see how this can get any murkier.

We should all post Wikipedia style posts complete with cites, clarifications and detailing down to the nitty gritty so the spirit of the point is not upended by the letter.

If you want to say the exact lettering he wrote is wrong and get him to capitulate on that point rather than accept the spirit of the point then carry on.

I'm not here to agree or disagree with someone's "spirit of their points".

If we all just did that we wouldn't have debate in NSG about anything. We'd all just be agreeing with each other and going "oh yea, I agree with that". It'd be a perfect world of harmony and NSG wouldn't have a purpose to exist.

[Bombadil]

For a change of channel.. Trump is rather amusing..

– On his son-in-law, Jared Kushner: “We were late tonight because Jared could not get through security.”

– On attorney general Jeff Sessions: “I offered him a ride over and he recused himself. What are you going to do?”

– On vice-president Mike Pence: “I really am proud to call him the apprentice. But lately he’s showing a particularly keen interest in the news these days. He is asking ‘has he been impeached yet?’ I don’t like that.”

– On former chief strategist Steve Bannon: “That guy leaked more than the Titanic.”

– On The New York Times: “I’m a New York icon. You’re a New York icon. And the only difference is I still own my buildings.”

- “So many people have been leaving the White House. It’s invigorating since you want turnover. I like chaos. It really is good,” he said. “Who’s going to be the next to leave? [Trump adviser] Steve Miller or Melania?”

- “I won’t rule out direct talks with Kim Jong-un. I just won’t. As far as the risk of dealing with a madman is concerned, that’s his problem, not mine.”

[Mujahidah]

We should all post Wikipedia style posts complete with cites, clarifications and detailing down to the nitty gritty so the spirit of the point is not upended by the letter.

If you want to say the exact lettering he wrote is wrong and get him to capitulate on that point rather than accept the spirit of the point then carry on.

I'm not here to agree or disagree with someone's "spirit of their points".

If we all just did that we wouldn't have debate in NSG about anything.

I'm pretty sure we'd still have arguments considering that people are trying to make wildly different points. Yeah, his argument was based on a historically inaccurate perception, but you got the point. Arguing about whether he is right or wrong at this point this much later is kind of pedantic.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I'm not here to agree or disagree with someone's "spirit of their points".

If we all just did that we wouldn't have debate in NSG about anything.

I'm pretty sure we'd still have arguments considering that people are trying to make wildly different points. Yeah, his argument was based on a historically inaccurate perception, but you got the point. Arguing about whether he is right or wrong at this point this much later is kind of pedantic.

Yes, excuse me for trying to make someone to do a modicum of research while I get told I am an idiot.

How could I have forgotten that you're just allowed to be a pedant if you're in the right team.

[Mujahidah]

I'm pretty sure we'd still have arguments considering that people are trying to make wildly different points. Yeah, his argument was based on a historically inaccurate perception, but you got the point. Arguing about whether he is right or wrong at this point this much later is kind of pedantic.

Yes, excuse me for trying to make someone to do a modicum of research while I get told I am an idiot.

How could I have forgotten that you're just allowed to be a pedant if you're in the right team.

You can call someone out without arguing about it for post upon post upon post. Its not even that big of a deal. Its the Trump Megathread. Are you saying that you have nothing Trump related to say?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Yes, excuse me for trying to make someone to do a modicum of research while I get told I am an idiot.

How could I have forgotten that you're just allowed to be a pedant if you're in the right team.

You can call someone out without arguing about it for post upon post upon post. Its not even that big of a deal. Its the Trump Megathread. Are you saying that you have nothing Trump related to say?

Oh the irony.

Let's be honest, this thread only exists so that everyone who is anti-Trump can comment on how much of an asshole he is. Even if one goes "Well, he is doing something okay", everyone else loses their minds.

SO what "Trump-related" thing can I say? Because I am not going to say what you want to hear anyways.

[Bakery Hill]

Oh dear. Can you link to that?

http://thehill.com/homenews/administrat ... -well-give

Trump's just joking about being a fascist though, right guys?

*sitcom laugh track*

*laughs nervously*

g-good joke mr president