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Postby San Lumen » Thu Mar 01, 2018 3:09 pm

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San Lumen wrote:wanting to overturn Roe V Wade and go back to the time of back alley abortion is not being pro choice.


I don't want to go to back alley abortions. If I had my way Roe v Wade would be overturned and an amendment protecting a woman's right to abortion up to a certain point would be added to the Bill of Rights.

San Lumen wrote:And your reps do represent you. They were duly elected by the people of your city. If you dont like them why dont you run against them this year?


Because I'm moving out of the city in a few weeks.


Good luck getting that amendment through congress much less 2/3rds of the state. And where will you be going if I may ask?

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Postby The Parkus Empire » Thu Mar 01, 2018 3:11 pm

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Actively? No, there's other things I'd like to see the court do with it's time currently.

I do wish it was struck down, yes. Ideally it would be replaced by an amendment to the Bill of Rights protecting the right to choose.


That's the problem. It's not that simple. The Const shouldn't be easy to change. If it was supposed to be that way why was it made that way?

Women of the time needed RvW and the religious where not going to allow it.

Plenty of states permitted abortion. Forcing all states to do it is not the Federal Government's business, anymore than forcing Poland to legalize abortion is the Federal government's business. Tenth Amendment. If you want to force your ideology on the states, do it by the legal process of Amending the Constitution. Saying that if you worked according to the process you're supposed to, you would lose, that's tough shit. Not everyone agrees with legalizing abortion.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Thu Mar 01, 2018 3:12 pm

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I don't want to go to back alley abortions. If I had my way Roe v Wade would be overturned and an amendment protecting a woman's right to abortion up to a certain point would be added to the Bill of Rights.

Because I'm moving out of the city in a few weeks.


There lies the problem. The majority who want it overturned don't have a solution. They just want it over turned. And for that matter, they would never accept an amendment on it.

Where you moving to?
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Thu Mar 01, 2018 3:13 pm

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The Parkus Empire wrote:He should, since it is a bullshit ruling. Abortion existed when the Constitution was written, it was a misdemeanor. Protecting abortion was not the reason the article against search and seizure was written, and even this was admitted in the ruling, which says abortion is protected in the "penumbra" of the article.


Are you really trying to be that disingenuous? It's existed back then as argument? Really?

Are you really suggesting it wasn't an issue to get an abortion in that time?

Abortion was illegal, it was a misdemeanor. Abortion was not an "unforeseen development", not even like new models of guns. It already existed. It was not covered by the law against unwarranted search and seizure, nor was it intended to be. That is not the reason for the law.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Mar 01, 2018 3:13 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Actively? No, there's other things I'd like to see the court do with it's time currently.

I do wish it was struck down, yes. Ideally it would be replaced by an amendment to the Bill of Rights protecting the right to choose.


That's the problem. It's not that simple. The Const shouldn't be easy to change. If it was supposed to be that way why was it made that way?

Women of the time needed RvW and the religious where not going to allow it.


I know it won't happen right now, that's why I said it would be ideally. I still believe the case was very much wrongly decided.

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I don't want to go to back alley abortions. If I had my way Roe v Wade would be overturned and an amendment protecting a woman's right to abortion up to a certain point would be added to the Bill of Rights.



Because I'm moving out of the city in a few weeks.


Good luck getting that amendment through congress much less 2/3rds of the state. And where will you be going if I may ask?


I know it won't pass, that's why I said if I had my way. Another part of Thurston country, we found a nice house that's kinda rural we're planning on buying.
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Mar 01, 2018 3:14 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
That's the problem. It's not that simple. The Const shouldn't be easy to change. If it was supposed to be that way why was it made that way?

Women of the time needed RvW and the religious where not going to allow it.

Plenty of states permitted abortion. Forcing all states to do it is not the Federal Government's business, anymore than forcing Poland to legalize abortion is the Federal government's business. Tenth Amendment. If you want to force your ideology on the states, do it by the legal process of Amending the Constitution. Saying that if you worked according to the process you're supposed to, you would lose, that's tough shit. Not everyone agrees with legalizing abortion.


But forcing all states to lower the age at which you can buy a gun is totally the Federal Government's business. Or forcing states to re-criminalise marijuana is totally the Federal Government's business.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Thu Mar 01, 2018 3:14 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
That's the problem. It's not that simple. The Const shouldn't be easy to change. If it was supposed to be that way why was it made that way?

Women of the time needed RvW and the religious where not going to allow it.

Plenty of states permitted abortion. Forcing all states to do it is not the Federal Government's business, anymore than forcing Poland to legalize abortion is the Federal government's business. Tenth Amendment. If you want to force your ideology on the states, do it by the legal process of Amending the Constitution. Saying that if you worked according to the process you're supposed to, you would lose, that's tough shit. Not everyone agrees with legalizing abortion.


*shrugs* ideology. Of course you don't have any of that.

Good luck on overturning RvW though.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Thu Mar 01, 2018 3:17 pm

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I know it won't happen right now, that's why I said it would be ideally. I still believe the case was very much wrongly decided.


I know it won't pass, that's why I said if I had my way. Another part of Thurston country, we found a nice house that's kinda rural we're planning on buying.


Ok. Nothing wrong with that I guess.

Thurston eh? Where abouts? Olympia, Puget, more inland?
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Mar 01, 2018 3:20 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
I know it won't happen right now, that's why I said it would be ideally. I still believe the case was very much wrongly decided.


I know it won't pass, that's why I said if I had my way. Another part of Thurston country, we found a nice house that's kinda rural we're planning on buying.


Ok. Nothing wrong with that I guess.

Thurston eh? Where abouts? Olympia, Puget, more inland?


A bit past Lacey over by lake St Clair. It's not totally rural or anything and isn't too far from anything and I can still get good internet speeds and stuff but it's out of the way a bit.

It also comes with a nice hot tub :lol:

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The Parkus Empire wrote:Plenty of states permitted abortion. Forcing all states to do it is not the Federal Government's business, anymore than forcing Poland to legalize abortion is the Federal government's business. Tenth Amendment. If you want to force your ideology on the states, do it by the legal process of Amending the Constitution. Saying that if you worked according to the process you're supposed to, you would lose, that's tough shit. Not everyone agrees with legalizing abortion.


But forcing all states to lower the age at which you can buy a gun is totally the Federal Government's business. Or forcing states to re-criminalise marijuana is totally the Federal Government's business.


I'm not sure Parkus supports those things.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Mar 01, 2018 3:23 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
That's the problem. It's not that simple. The Const shouldn't be easy to change. If it was supposed to be that way why was it made that way?

Women of the time needed RvW and the religious where not going to allow it.


I know it won't happen right now, that's why I said it would be ideally. I still believe the case was very much wrongly decided.

San Lumen wrote:
Good luck getting that amendment through congress much less 2/3rds of the state. And where will you be going if I may ask?


I know it won't pass, that's why I said if I had my way. Another part of Thurston country, we found a nice house that's kinda rural we're planning on buying.


Well I hate to break it to you but Thurston County is blue county and that wont change anytime soon. It will vote to reelect your senator in November and send Democrats to Olympia.

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Postby Ifreann » Thu Mar 01, 2018 3:24 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Daily reminder that Gorsuch is the only really good thing to come from this administration.

I think you're underestimating the value of making soldiers parade around Washington on their day off.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Mar 01, 2018 3:26 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
I know it won't happen right now, that's why I said it would be ideally. I still believe the case was very much wrongly decided.



I know it won't pass, that's why I said if I had my way. Another part of Thurston country, we found a nice house that's kinda rural we're planning on buying.


Well I hate to break it to you but Thurston County is blue county and that wont change anytime soon. It will vote to reelect your senator in November and send Democrats to Olympia.


Our state senator is actually surprisingly moderate on a number of issues for a Dem from such a blue area, I'm happy to vote for him. I will be trying my best to kick Mr. Heck out of office though.

Ifreann wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Daily reminder that Gorsuch is the only really good thing to come from this administration.

I think you're underestimating the value of making soldiers parade around Washington on their day off.


Of course, we need to beat Russia and China at their own game.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Thu Mar 01, 2018 3:28 pm

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Ok. Nothing wrong with that I guess.

Thurston eh? Where abouts? Olympia, Puget, more inland?


A bit past Lacey over by lake St Clair. It's not totally rural or anything and isn't too far from anything and I can still get good internet speeds and stuff but it's out of the way a bit.

It also comes with a nice hot tub :lol:


Lacey...oh yea just past olympia near the I5 right? St. Clair was still nice country if I remember right. Hot tub is a good thing :). Born in Tacoma. Memory is kind of dodgy though.....
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Mar 01, 2018 3:28 pm

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San Lumen wrote:
Well I hate to break it to you but Thurston County is blue county and that wont change anytime soon. It will vote to reelect your senator in November and send Democrats to Olympia.


Our state senator is actually surprisingly moderate on a number of issues for a Dem from such a blue area, I'm happy to vote for him. I will be trying my best to kick Mr. Heck out of office though.

Ifreann wrote:I think you're underestimating the value of making soldiers parade around Washington on their day off.


Of course, we need to beat Russia and China at their own game.

Heck's not going to lose. But this is a more midterm thread discussion
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Postby Camicon » Thu Mar 01, 2018 3:33 pm

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Washington Resistance Army wrote:Daily reminder that Gorsuch is the only really good thing to come from this administration.

I think you're underestimating the value of making soldiers parade around Washington on their day off.

I think you're undervaluing the elimination of the Presidential election campaign refractory period.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Mar 01, 2018 3:35 pm

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A bit past Lacey over by lake St Clair. It's not totally rural or anything and isn't too far from anything and I can still get good internet speeds and stuff but it's out of the way a bit.

It also comes with a nice hot tub :lol:


Lacey...oh yea just past olympia near the I5 right? St. Clair was still nice country if I remember right. Hot tub is a good thing :). Born in Tacoma. Memory is kind of dodgy though.....


It is a nice area, with any luck the seller will snatch up the offer and we'll move in ASAP. It's a god damn sellers market up here right now and places are staying on the market for maybe a day before going pending, it's been hell trying to find somewhere >_>

San Lumen wrote:Heck's not going to lose. But this is a more midterm thread discussion


Probably not, I'm still gonna try and help though.

Also daily reminder that this should just become a catchall politics thread to cut down on the clutter.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Thu Mar 01, 2018 3:36 pm

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San Lumen wrote:wanting to overturn Roe V Wade and go back to the time of back alley abortion is not being pro choice.


I don't want to go to back alley abortions. If I had my way Roe v Wade would be overturned and an amendment protecting a woman's right to abortion up to a certain point would be added to the Bill of Rights.

Sounds ok, but what would that point be?
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Mar 01, 2018 3:37 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Lacey...oh yea just past olympia near the I5 right? St. Clair was still nice country if I remember right. Hot tub is a good thing :). Born in Tacoma. Memory is kind of dodgy though.....


It is a nice area, with any luck the seller will snatch up the offer and we'll move in ASAP. It's a god damn sellers market up here right now and places are staying on the market for maybe a day before going pending, it's been hell trying to find somewhere >_>

San Lumen wrote:Heck's not going to lose. But this is a more midterm thread discussion


Probably not, I'm still gonna try and help though.

Also daily reminder that this should just become a catchall politics thread to cut down on the clutter.


Well at least your getting involved and I commend that. Its likely though your state representatives will be different in November considering that Thurston County has several districts.

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Ifreann wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Daily reminder that Gorsuch is the only really good thing to come from this administration.

I think you're underestimating the value of making soldiers parade around Washington on their day off.

Left right left right left right... please, let's not get back on your parade kick in this nice new shiny thread.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Mar 01, 2018 3:41 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
I don't want to go to back alley abortions. If I had my way Roe v Wade would be overturned and an amendment protecting a woman's right to abortion up to a certain point would be added to the Bill of Rights.

Sounds ok, but what would that point be?


It undoes an, in my opinion, incorrect Supreme Court ruling that has no basis in reality while protecting the rights of the womenfolk.

San Lumen wrote:Well at least your getting involved and I commend that. Its likely though your state representatives will be different in November considering that Thurston County has several districts.


Ideally I'd like to get more involved with our state Libertarian Party eventually and maybe run for something but that's a ways off still.

Plus I'd probably lose because third party :lol:
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Mar 01, 2018 3:42 pm

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The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Sounds ok, but what would that point be?


It undoes an, in my opinion, incorrect Supreme Court ruling that has no basis in reality while protecting the rights of the womenfolk.

San Lumen wrote:Well at least your getting involved and I commend that. Its likely though your state representatives will be different in November considering that Thurston County has several districts.


Ideally I'd like to get more involved with our state Libertarian Party eventually and maybe run for something but that's a ways off still.

Plus I'd probably lose because third party :lol:

Then dont run third party.

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I am dying of laughter watching Trump insult the NRA. What the fuck is happening? (Said for the 50th time at least)
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Mar 01, 2018 3:54 pm

Corrian wrote:I am dying of laughter watching Trump insult the NRA. What the fuck is happening? (Said for the 50th time at least)

That will piss of a lot of conservatives to not come out to vote in November and I welcome it.

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Postby Canstan II » Thu Mar 01, 2018 3:56 pm

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Corrian wrote:I am dying of laughter watching Trump insult the NRA. What the fuck is happening? (Said for the 50th time at least)

That will piss of a lot of conservatives to not come out to vote in November and I welcome it.

Nah man, GOP candidates are going to want to distance themselves from him. Guarantee even less likely to compromise. GOA is gonna come a knockin'.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Mar 01, 2018 3:57 pm

Canstan II wrote:
San Lumen wrote:That will piss of a lot of conservatives to not come out to vote in November and I welcome it.

Nah man, GOP candidates are going to want to distance themselves from him. Guarantee even less likely to compromise. GOA is gonna come a knockin'.


GOA is getting some serious membership boosts these past couple months. It's not impossible that they overtake the NRA eventually at this rate.
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