Trump MAGAThread XII: A Tarriff-ic Thread!

[Cekoviu]

China is slowly liberalizing.

Eh. I heard that China is doing away with term limits to allow Xi Jingping to essentially be dictator for life.

Perhaps only economically, then.

[Irona]

No it isn't. The economic argument for free trade isn't based on China liberalising.

I must of forgotten that when Bush sold that pile of lies to us in the early 2000s.

Clearly you did.

[The Conez Imperium]

China is slowly liberalizing.

Thats a lie.

A sidestep of the issue. I would argue that the growing middle class of China is the potential signal of a Chinese liberalisation. The middle class' of countries are the driving forces of change and factionalism. Now the Chinese government is bound in a social contract with the people, continue high living standards for apathy to political conditions. The ability for Chinese citizens to own their own business is an example of the government reducing their control - liberalisation (one definition).

[The Parkus Empire]

Interpreting a law according to the reason it was made is perfectly sensible.

Nah, it’s not, it ignores what’s written and replaces it with the opinions (which may or may not even be correct) of people who are long dead and renders the text of law meaningless.

You're a "strict constructionist"?

[The East Marches II]

Nah, you don't. Its cool though, I didn't mind Clinton talking about free movement with Latin America among those bankers. Wages need to be kept down afterall :^]

That doesn't really make sense. Maybe rewrite that?

Also: Wtf is with the crying face? It's so childish.

Thats the friendly smiley, I got it from Gauth, my sig explains it.

Here is the source, you can read what she said in private to the bankers. Control F hemispheric common market, I don't care enough to spoon feed, that should be good enough.

[Canstan II]

Free trade is beneficial if you hate environmental regulations, child labor laws and worker comp, and want to move our production to where those can't touch it

I mean if all you care about is production. But it benefits consumers, and the wider economy. Comparative Advantage shows that free trade allows specialisation that benefits both sides. Cheap steel from China allows US construction firms to build more, grow more, etc.

It also makes the country more reliant upon a foreign hostile entity. It's one thing if it's coming from an ally or at least a country that shares similar values, a different entirely for one that has been quite open about wishing to take the place of the USA and be rid of Western hegemony.

[The East Marches II]

Eh. I heard that China is doing away with term limits to allow Xi Jingping to essentially be dictator for life.

Perhaps only economically, then.

No not that either

[Irona]

That doesn't really make sense. Maybe rewrite that?

Also: Wtf is with the crying face? It's so childish.

Thats the friendly smiley, I got it from Gauth, my sig explains it.

Here is the source, you can read what she said in private to the bankers. Control F hemispheric common market, I don't care enough to spoon feed, that should be good enough.

Wikileaks isn't a very trustworthy source

[Liriena]

China is slowly liberalizing.

Eh. I heard that China is doing away with term limits to allow Xi Jingping to essentially be dictator for life.

Pffff, if Xi was smart he would follow Wu Zetian's example and screw his way into absolute power, and then abdicate peacefully once he nears the end of his life.

[Liriena]

Perhaps only economically, then.

No not that either

If anything, Xi is trying to bring socialism back to the menu.

The One Road, One Belt thing is cool, though.

[The East Marches II]

Thats a lie.

A sidestep of the issue. I would argue that the growing middle class of China is the potential signal of a Chinese liberalisation. The middle class' of countries are the driving forces of change and factionalism. Now the Chinese government is bound in a social contract with the people, continue high living standards for apathy to political conditions. The ability for Chinese citizens to own their own business is an example of the government reducing their control - liberalisation (one definition).

You can argue that all you want. It isn't true. Its a failed idea from the heydey of victory in the Cold War. Its a bullshit statement, the rise of the middle class didn't stop Turkey from devolving into dictatorship, it hasn't stopped XI from making China even more autocratic and dystopian. Its a frankly bullshit idea.

[Irona]

I mean if all you care about is production. But it benefits consumers, and the wider economy. Comparative Advantage shows that free trade allows specialisation that benefits both sides. Cheap steel from China allows US construction firms to build more, grow more, etc.

It also makes the country more reliant upon a foreign hostile entity. It's one thing if it's coming from an ally or at least a country that shares similar values, a different entirely for one that has been quite open about wishing to take the place of the USA and be rid of Western hegemony.

That's a political and not an economic argument against free trade. Economically free trade is far superior to protectionism.

[The Parkus Empire]

Now the Chinese government is bound in a social contract with the people,

Tfw progressives think China is "one people", not myriad and very different peoples
Tfw liberals now think the government of China has gone through a Glorious Revolution and follows western social contract theory

[The East Marches II]

Thats the friendly smiley, I got it from Gauth, my sig explains it.

Here is the source, you can read what she said in private to the bankers. Control F hemispheric common market, I don't care enough to spoon feed, that should be good enough.

Wikileaks isn't a very trustworthy source

I forgot our milquetoast left only likes Wikileaks when they benefit them, how foolish of me.

[Ifreann]

Well I hate to break it to you but Thurston County is blue county and that wont change anytime soon. It will vote to reelect your senator in November and send Democrats to Olympia.

Our state senator is actually surprisingly moderate on a number of issues for a Dem from such a blue area, I'm happy to vote for him. I will be trying my best to kick Mr. Heck out of office though.

I think you're underestimating the value of making soldiers parade around Washington on their day off.

Of course, we need to beat Russia and China at their own game.

Every polished boot down Pennsylvania Ave. is another win.

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I think you're underestimating the value of making soldiers parade around Washington on their day off.

I think you're undervaluing the elimination of the Presidential election campaign refractory period.

So much campaigning you're going to be sick of campaigning.

[Canstan II]

Thats the friendly smiley, I got it from Gauth, my sig explains it.

Here is the source, you can read what she said in private to the bankers. Control F hemispheric common market, I don't care enough to spoon feed, that should be good enough.

Wikileaks isn't a very trustworthy source

I agree, the Iraq War Logs were faked.

[Canstan II]

It also makes the country more reliant upon a foreign hostile entity. It's one thing if it's coming from an ally or at least a country that shares similar values, a different entirely for one that has been quite open about wishing to take the place of the USA and be rid of Western hegemony.

That's a political and not an economic argument against free trade. Economically free trade is far superior to protectionism.

Politics and economics go hand in hand. Raw economic arguments will only work if you're an an-cap.

[Irona]

Wikileaks isn't a very trustworthy source

I forgot our milquetoast left only likes Wikileaks when they benefit them, how foolish of me.

Not really? It's a terrible source all around?

[Liriena]

Now the Chinese government is bound in a social contract with the people,

Tfw progressives think China is "one people", not myriad and very different peoples
Tfw liberals now think the government of China has gone through a Glorious Revolution and follows western social contract theory

The underlined is particularly out of place given that the constitutional changes being proposed include an "ethnic harmony" bit that's basically multiculturalism enshrined into law.

[The Conez Imperium]

I mean if all you care about is production. But it benefits consumers, and the wider economy. Comparative Advantage shows that free trade allows specialisation that benefits both sides. Cheap steel from China allows US construction firms to build more, grow more, etc.

It also makes the country more reliant upon a foreign hostile entity. It's one thing if it's coming from an ally or at least a country that shares similar values, a different entirely for one that has been quite open about wishing to take the place of the USA and be rid of Western hegemony.

Hmm yes, when the US declares war against Pakistan and Bangladesh there goes all my cheap clothing.

Also what exactly is the problem with (peacefully) removing Western hegemony? Is that not self-determination?

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

Nah, it’s not, it ignores what’s written and replaces it with the opinions (which may or may not even be correct) of people who are long dead and renders the text of law meaningless.

You're a "strict constructionist"?

I’m more of a textualist,reading the text of the law and applying it to the situation at hand instead of being beholden to the opinions of dead people since if we did that, we might as well not write down laws anymore.

[The East Marches II]

Tfw progressives think China is "one people", not myriad and very different peoples
Tfw liberals now think the government of China has gone through a Glorious Revolution and follows western social contract theory

The underlined is particularly out of place given that the constitutional changes being proposed include an "ethnic harmony" bit that's basically multiculturalism enshrined into law.

I think you misunderstood him, he was acknowledging that reality, merely saying that our fine progressives don't. In which I agree with him.

[The Conez Imperium]

That's a political and not an economic argument against free trade. Economically free trade is far superior to protectionism.

Politics and economics go hand in hand. Raw economic arguments will only work if you're an an-cap.

Thankfully most business are overall happy to continue trade with China and thus will lobby Congress to continue trade with China.

[Canstan II]

Tfw progressives think China is "one people", not myriad and very different peoples
Tfw liberals now think the government of China has gone through a Glorious Revolution and follows western social contract theory

The underlined is particularly out of place given that the constitutional changes being proposed include an "ethnic harmony" bit that's basically multiculturalism enshrined into law.

The Chinese government also has the freedom of speech enshrined in its constitution. The Chinese aggressively trying to stamp out both Tibetan and Uyghur culture, increasingly the latter these days.

[The East Marches II]

Politics and economics go hand in hand. Raw economic arguments will only work if you're an an-cap.

Thankfully most business are overall happy to continue trade with China and thus will lobby Congress to continue trade with China.

Thank God thats changing.