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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue May 29, 2018 5:16 pm

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President Trump has nominated a staunch anti-immigration activist to head the State Department agency that oversees refugee and immigration issues.

Ronald W. Mortensen, a former U.S. Foreign Service officer and longtime fellow at the Center for Immigration Studies, which advocates against legal and illegal immigration, is Trump's choice to be assistant secretary of State for the bureau of population, refugees and migration. The White House announced the nomination late Thursday.

As word spread on Friday, Democrats and immigration advocates quickly objected. But Mortensen, who must be confirmed by the Republican-controlled Senate, could face trouble among Republicans as well: His long trail of controversial writings and statements includes attacks not only against immigrants but against some Republican senators, including Sens. Marco Rubio of Florida and John McCain of Arizona.

Mortensen, originally from Utah, in 2015 called Rubio "exceptionally gullible or just plain dishonest" on immigration issues. In 2014, he said McCain had made the U.S. vulnerable to infiltration by the Islamic State terrorist group through his "dogged support for illegal aliens and open borders."


In February 2017, just after Trump took office, Mortensen praised his efforts to step up deportations of immigrants in the country illegally and to ban some legal arrivals. He wrote in a blog post that Trump had succeeded in destroying "the myth of the noble, law-abiding illegal alien."

Until Trump was elected, Mortensen wrote, "the career politicians that he replaced had consistently put illegal aliens first and deliberately ignored the terrible harm done to the American men, women and children."

The Washington-based Center for Immigration Studies where he's worked has been listed by the Southern Poverty Law Center as a hate group, a designation it rejects.

The State Department bureau that Mortensen would run is supposed to have a different aim. Its purpose is to "provide protection, ease suffering, and resolve the plight of persecuted and uprooted people around the world," according to its mission statement.

One of Mortensen's favorite targets lately, according to his blog posts, has been the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, an Obama-era permit system that temporarily protected from deportation roughly 800,000 immigrants who came to the country illegally as children. Trump has ordered an end to the program, though federal courts have blocked him for now.

In one post on March 10, 2017, Mortensen argued that DACA gives amnesty to "criminal illegal aliens" and "most" DACA recipients have committed "multiple felonies to get jobs."

The number of DACA beneficiaries, known as "Dreamers," who have been convicted of crimes is very low; all have been vetted to get their two-year permits to live in the United States, work, attend college and serve in the military. The crime rate among immigrants in general is lower than for the overall U.S. population, government data show.

Rep. Joseph Crowley of New York, chairman of the House Democratic Caucus, said Mortensen's "racist, vile and disparaging comments against immigrants" disqualified him for the post.


Jennifer Quigley, a refugee advocate at Human Rights First, called Mortensen's statements extremist. "At a time when the world is facing the worst displacement crisis since World World II, it is astounding President Trump would nominate an individual with a hostile attitude toward immigrants," Quigley said.

"Mortensen's nomination is like choosing the fox to guard the hen house," she added.

Efforts to reach Mortensen on Friday were unsuccessful. In announcing the nomination, the White House praised Mortensen's 15 years of work in disaster aid, saying he "worked on humanitarian responses that saved lives and alleviated the suffering of millions of people" in the Middle East, Africa and Haiti.


http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-pol ... story.html

Hurray!


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Postby Geneviev » Tue May 29, 2018 5:17 pm

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President Trump has nominated a staunch anti-immigration activist to head the State Department agency that oversees refugee and immigration issues.

Ronald W. Mortensen, a former U.S. Foreign Service officer and longtime fellow at the Center for Immigration Studies, which advocates against legal and illegal immigration, is Trump's choice to be assistant secretary of State for the bureau of population, refugees and migration. The White House announced the nomination late Thursday.

As word spread on Friday, Democrats and immigration advocates quickly objected. But Mortensen, who must be confirmed by the Republican-controlled Senate, could face trouble among Republicans as well: His long trail of controversial writings and statements includes attacks not only against immigrants but against some Republican senators, including Sens. Marco Rubio of Florida and John McCain of Arizona.

Mortensen, originally from Utah, in 2015 called Rubio "exceptionally gullible or just plain dishonest" on immigration issues. In 2014, he said McCain had made the U.S. vulnerable to infiltration by the Islamic State terrorist group through his "dogged support for illegal aliens and open borders."


In February 2017, just after Trump took office, Mortensen praised his efforts to step up deportations of immigrants in the country illegally and to ban some legal arrivals. He wrote in a blog post that Trump had succeeded in destroying "the myth of the noble, law-abiding illegal alien."

Until Trump was elected, Mortensen wrote, "the career politicians that he replaced had consistently put illegal aliens first and deliberately ignored the terrible harm done to the American men, women and children."

The Washington-based Center for Immigration Studies where he's worked has been listed by the Southern Poverty Law Center as a hate group, a designation it rejects.

The State Department bureau that Mortensen would run is supposed to have a different aim. Its purpose is to "provide protection, ease suffering, and resolve the plight of persecuted and uprooted people around the world," according to its mission statement.

One of Mortensen's favorite targets lately, according to his blog posts, has been the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, an Obama-era permit system that temporarily protected from deportation roughly 800,000 immigrants who came to the country illegally as children. Trump has ordered an end to the program, though federal courts have blocked him for now.

In one post on March 10, 2017, Mortensen argued that DACA gives amnesty to "criminal illegal aliens" and "most" DACA recipients have committed "multiple felonies to get jobs."

The number of DACA beneficiaries, known as "Dreamers," who have been convicted of crimes is very low; all have been vetted to get their two-year permits to live in the United States, work, attend college and serve in the military. The crime rate among immigrants in general is lower than for the overall U.S. population, government data show.

Rep. Joseph Crowley of New York, chairman of the House Democratic Caucus, said Mortensen's "racist, vile and disparaging comments against immigrants" disqualified him for the post.


Jennifer Quigley, a refugee advocate at Human Rights First, called Mortensen's statements extremist. "At a time when the world is facing the worst displacement crisis since World World II, it is astounding President Trump would nominate an individual with a hostile attitude toward immigrants," Quigley said.

"Mortensen's nomination is like choosing the fox to guard the hen house," she added.

Efforts to reach Mortensen on Friday were unsuccessful. In announcing the nomination, the White House praised Mortensen's 15 years of work in disaster aid, saying he "worked on humanitarian responses that saved lives and alleviated the suffering of millions of people" in the Middle East, Africa and Haiti.


http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-pol ... story.html

Hurray!

That actually, legitimately makes me sad.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Tue May 29, 2018 5:19 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:


No worries. What is done can be undone and probably will.......

Just how we're feeling about Roe v. Wade right now. :D


The 2014 elections gave the Republicans control of the Senate (and control of both houses of Congress) for the first time since the 109th Congress. With 248 seats in the House of Representatives and 54 seats in the Senate, this Congress began with the largest Republican majority since the 71st Congress of 1929–1931.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue May 29, 2018 5:21 pm

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The Black Forrest wrote:
No worries. What is done can be undone and probably will.......

Just how we're feeling about Roe v. Wade right now. :D


The 2014 elections gave the Republicans control of the Senate (and control of both houses of Congress) for the first time since the 109th Congress. With 248 seats in the House of Representatives and 54 seats in the Senate, this Congress began with the largest Republican majority since the 71st Congress of 1929–1931.


Fourty Five years and counting.

Let's talk about the number of repubs after November.
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Postby Bombadil » Tue May 29, 2018 5:25 pm

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The Black Forrest wrote:
No worries. What is done can be undone and probably will.......

Just how we're feeling about Roe v. Wade right now. :D


The 2014 elections gave the Republicans control of the Senate (and control of both houses of Congress) for the first time since the 109th Congress. With 248 seats in the House of Representatives and 54 seats in the Senate, this Congress began with the largest Republican majority since the 71st Congress of 1929–1931.


..and they've done so much with it..
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Tue May 29, 2018 5:27 pm

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The Parkus Empire wrote:Just how we're feeling about Roe v. Wade right now. :D




Fourty Five years and counting.

Let's talk about the number of repubs after November.

Greatest GOP majority since long before 45 years.


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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue May 29, 2018 5:30 pm

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The Black Forrest wrote:
Fourty Five years and counting.

Let's talk about the number of repubs after November.

Greatest GOP majority since long before 45 years.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=soal5Iuo-vg


And yet they still haven't overturned it.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Tue May 29, 2018 5:33 pm

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The Parkus Empire wrote:Just how we're feeling about Roe v. Wade right now. :D




..and they've done so much with it..


They're like a dog chasing a car. They wouldn't know what to do with it if they caught it.

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Tue May 29, 2018 5:36 pm

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Bombadil wrote:
..and they've done so much with it..


They're like a dog chasing a car. They wouldn't know what to do with it if they caught it.

This is the best analysis of the current majority yet.
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Postby Petrasylvania » Tue May 29, 2018 5:38 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
They're like a dog chasing a car. They wouldn't know what to do with it if they caught it.

This is the best analysis of the current majority yet.

They still haven't retooled from their NO mode.
Crimes committed by Muslims will be proof of a pan-Islamic plot and Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand, crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of mentally ill lone wolves who do not represent their professed belief system at all.
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If Donald Trump accuses an individual of malfeasance without evidence, it is almost a certainty either he or someone associated with him has in fact committed that very same malfeasance to a greater degree.

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Postby The Parkus Empire » Tue May 29, 2018 5:44 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:Greatest GOP majority since long before 45 years.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=soal5Iuo-vg


And yet they still haven't overturned it.

No, judges have to
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Postby San Lumen » Tue May 29, 2018 5:45 pm

And the Governor of Missouri today resigned for far less things than Trump did and yet it seems he is subject to a different standard. If he were accused of the same thing Eric Greitens for which there was credible evidence his supporters would look the other way.

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Postby Petrasylvania » Tue May 29, 2018 5:47 pm

San Lumen wrote:And the Governor of Missouri today resigned for far less things than Trump did and yet it seems he is subject to a different standard. If he were accused of the same thing Eric Greitens for which there was credible evidence his supporters would look the other way.

Donnie is an Honorary Kim. His fucking Cult of Personality can't see him do any wrong.
Crimes committed by Muslims will be proof of a pan-Islamic plot and Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand, crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of mentally ill lone wolves who do not represent their professed belief system at all.
The probability of someone secretly participating in homosexual acts is directly proportional to the frequency and loudness of their publicly professed disapproval and/or disgust for homosexuality.
If Donald Trump accuses an individual of malfeasance without evidence, it is almost a certainty either he or someone associated with him has in fact committed that very same malfeasance to a greater degree.

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Postby Geneviev » Tue May 29, 2018 5:48 pm

Petrasylvania wrote:
San Lumen wrote:And the Governor of Missouri today resigned for far less things than Trump did and yet it seems he is subject to a different standard. If he were accused of the same thing Eric Greitens for which there was credible evidence his supporters would look the other way.

Donnie is an Honorary Kim. His fucking Cult of Personality can't see him do any wrong.

That's not how it works, mate.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue May 29, 2018 5:49 pm

Petrasylvania wrote:
San Lumen wrote:And the Governor of Missouri today resigned for far less things than Trump did and yet it seems he is subject to a different standard. If he were accused of the same thing Eric Greitens for which there was credible evidence his supporters would look the other way.

Donnie is an Honorary Kim. His fucking Cult of Personality can't see him do any wrong.

It sure seems that way

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Postby Valrifell » Tue May 29, 2018 5:50 pm

Geneviev wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:Donnie is an Honorary Kim. His fucking Cult of Personality can't see him do any wrong.

That's not how it works, mate.


I don't think it's a significant chunk of his base, but I do think that there is a degree of personality cult in the most rabid recesses of his supporters.
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Postby Geneviev » Tue May 29, 2018 5:51 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Geneviev wrote:That's not how it works, mate.


I don't think it's a significant chunk of his base, but I do think that there is a degree of personality cult in the most rabid recesses of his supporters.

The most intense, most insane on both sides are like that.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue May 29, 2018 5:52 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Geneviev wrote:That's not how it works, mate.


I don't think it's a significant chunk of his base, but I do think that there is a degree of personality cult in the most rabid recesses of his supporters.

I think it is a large portion.

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Postby The Parkus Empire » Tue May 29, 2018 7:02 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
I don't think it's a significant chunk of his base, but I do think that there is a degree of personality cult in the most rabid recesses of his supporters.

I think it is a large portion.

As with Obama
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Tue May 29, 2018 8:53 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I think it is a large portion.

As with Obama

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Postby San Lumen » Tue May 29, 2018 8:55 pm

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San Lumen wrote:I think it is a large portion.

As with Obama


Trump's base is far worse. I think he could shoot someone at one of his speeches and his base would cheer.

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Postby The Knockout Gun Gals » Tue May 29, 2018 8:56 pm

Roseanne's been cancelled and now everyone on her side really attacks ABC.

They do understand ABC is a company and not a nation, right?
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TriStates wrote:Covenant declare a crusade, and wage jihad against the UNSC and Insurrectionists for 30 years.

So Covenant declare a crusade and then wage jihad? :p

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Tue May 29, 2018 8:57 pm

San Lumen wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:As with Obama


Trump's base is far worse. I think he could shoot someone at one of his speeches and his base would cheer.

The bummer here is you’re quoting him.
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Postby New Emeline » Tue May 29, 2018 8:58 pm

The Knockout Gun Gals wrote:Roseanne's been cancelled and now everyone on her side really attacks ABC.

They do understand ABC is a company and not a nation, right?

What's Roseanne?

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Postby The Knockout Gun Gals » Tue May 29, 2018 8:58 pm

Bombadil wrote:Was Roseanne always this way or was she sucked into the cesspool of Twitter..


I think Roseanne in the past used to be not as conservative as she is now.
The Knockout Gun Gals wrote:
TriStates wrote:Covenant declare a crusade, and wage jihad against the UNSC and Insurrectionists for 30 years.

So Covenant declare a crusade and then wage jihad? :p

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