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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Mar 01, 2018 4:54 pm

Irona wrote:
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>A left that has abandoned them

10/10 tell me more

The left hasn't abandoned unions.


A lot of people in Unionland feel they have.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Thu Mar 01, 2018 4:55 pm

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The Parkus Empire wrote:If there anything more ridiculous than hadicapping your own with worker's comp, environmental regulations and child labor laws, while simultaneously decrying any handicapping of their foreign competition?

Its almost as if workers comp, environmental regulations and child labour laws are good things....

They are indeed, and by having unrestricted trade, you are rewarding China for not having these good things, since it allows them to make things much cheaper and outsource us.
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Postby The East Marches II » Thu Mar 01, 2018 4:56 pm

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The Parkus Empire wrote:Until they stop supporting open borders and unrestricted trade (both if which Bernie Sanders vehemently opposed), they have.

Do know what open borders and unrestricted trade means?


Do you know its impact :^]

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Postby Cekoviu » Thu Mar 01, 2018 4:56 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Irona wrote:The left hasn't abandoned unions.


A lot of people in Unionland feel they have.

I hope Berniecrats can help move the party to the left economically so they don't feel like that. Neoliberals have been a driving force in the party for a while, so it's understandable that they'd feel neglected.
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Postby The East Marches II » Thu Mar 01, 2018 4:57 pm

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A lot of people in Unionland feel they have.

I hope Berniecrats can help move the party to the left economically so they don't feel like that. Neoliberals have been a driving force in the party for a while, so it's understandable that they'd feel neglected.


Neglected is a gentle way of putting it. A knife in the back is another.

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Postby Irona » Thu Mar 01, 2018 4:57 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
Irona wrote:Its almost as if workers comp, environmental regulations and child labour laws are good things....

They are indeed, and by having unrestricted trade, you are rewarding China for not having these good things, since it allows them to make things much cheaper and outsource us.

1) Economics has long shown free trade as beneficial.
2) Trade wasn't unrestricted

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Collatis wrote:Is America great again yet?

Marco Rubio has spent the past few days getting dunked on by teenagers so... yeah, I'd dare say it is. :D
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Postby Irona » Thu Mar 01, 2018 4:58 pm

The East Marches II wrote:
Irona wrote:Do know what open borders and unrestricted trade means?


Do you know its impact :^]

....

There isn't open borders or unrestricted trade. Nobody knows the impact, because it hasn't been put into place.

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Postby The Parkus Empire » Thu Mar 01, 2018 4:59 pm

Irona wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:They are indeed, and by having unrestricted trade, you are rewarding China for not having these good things, since it allows them to make things much cheaper and outsource us.

1) Economics has long shown free trade as beneficial.
2) Trade wasn't unrestricted

Free trade is beneficial if you hate environmental regulations, child labor laws and worker comp, and want to move our production to where those can't touch it
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Postby The East Marches II » Thu Mar 01, 2018 4:59 pm

Irona wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:They are indeed, and by having unrestricted trade, you are rewarding China for not having these good things, since it allows them to make things much cheaper and outsource us.

1) Economics has long shown free trade as beneficial.
2) Trade wasn't unrestricted


One way free trade isn't, all those fools who went on about how China joining the WTO would bring them into the world order and cause them to become freer economically & politically. How wrong they proved to be.

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Postby Collatis » Thu Mar 01, 2018 4:59 pm

Liriena wrote:
Collatis wrote:Is America great again yet?

Marco Rubio has spent the past few days getting dunked on by teenagers so… yeah, I’d dare say it is. :D

Marco Roboto must have ran out of batteries :o

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Postby Irona » Thu Mar 01, 2018 4:59 pm

The East Marches II wrote:
Irona wrote:1) Economics has long shown free trade as beneficial.
2) Trade wasn't unrestricted


One way free trade isn't, all those fools who went on about how China joining the WTO would bring them into the world order and cause them to become freer economically & politically. How wrong they proved to be.

That's not the economic argument.

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Postby The East Marches II » Thu Mar 01, 2018 5:00 pm

Irona wrote:
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Do you know its impact :^]

....

There isn't open borders or unrestricted trade. Nobody knows the impact, because it hasn't been put into place.


Nah, you don't. Its cool though, I didn't mind Clinton talking about free movement with Latin America among those bankers. Wages need to be kept down afterall :^]

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Postby The Conez Imperium » Thu Mar 01, 2018 5:01 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
Irona wrote:Its almost as if workers comp, environmental regulations and child labour laws are good things....

They are indeed, and by having unrestricted trade, you are rewarding China for not having these good things, since it allows them to make things much cheaper and outsource us.


Do people actually infer that the people on the US delegation are stupid for not writing rules and regulations into trade agreements with China?
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Postby Cekoviu » Thu Mar 01, 2018 5:02 pm

The East Marches II wrote:
Irona wrote:1) Economics has long shown free trade as beneficial.
2) Trade wasn't unrestricted


One way free trade isn't, all those fools who went on about how China joining the WTO would bring them into the world order and cause them to become freer economically & politically. How wrong they proved to be.

China is slowly liberalizing.
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Postby The East Marches II » Thu Mar 01, 2018 5:02 pm

Irona wrote:
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One way free trade isn't, all those fools who went on about how China joining the WTO would bring them into the world order and cause them to become freer economically & politically. How wrong they proved to be.

That's not the economic argument.


That is a large portion of it. Its also under the headline of other stupid comments like "two democracies have never gone to war". Ash and trash that should be binned but our political class is asleep at the helm.

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Postby The Conez Imperium » Thu Mar 01, 2018 5:03 pm

Irona wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
One way free trade isn't, all those fools who went on about how China joining the WTO would bring them into the world order and cause them to become freer economically & politically. How wrong they proved to be.

That's not the economic argument.


If it wasn't China, it was going to be another South East Asian economy to be the world's manufacturer. This perspective as Irona highlights is devoid of any economic argument and just plays on an abstract fear of loosing trade to China.
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Postby Irona » Thu Mar 01, 2018 5:03 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
Irona wrote:1) Economics has long shown free trade as beneficial.
2) Trade wasn't unrestricted

Free trade is beneficial if you hate environmental regulations, child labor laws and worker comp, and want to move our production to where those can't touch it

I mean if all you care about is production. But it benefits consumers, and the wider economy. Comparative Advantage shows that free trade allows specialisation that benefits both sides. Cheap steel from China allows US construction firms to build more, grow more, etc.

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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Thu Mar 01, 2018 5:03 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:Interpreting a law according to the reason it was made is perfectly sensible.

Nah, it’s not, it ignores what’s written and replaces it with the opinions (which may or may not even be correct) of people who are long dead and renders the text of law meaningless.
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Postby The East Marches II » Thu Mar 01, 2018 5:04 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
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One way free trade isn't, all those fools who went on about how China joining the WTO would bring them into the world order and cause them to become freer economically & politically. How wrong they proved to be.

China is slowly liberalizing.


Thats a lie.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Mar 01, 2018 5:04 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
One way free trade isn't, all those fools who went on about how China joining the WTO would bring them into the world order and cause them to become freer economically & politically. How wrong they proved to be.

China is slowly liberalizing.


Eh. I heard that China is doing away with term limits to allow Xi Jingping to essentially be dictator for life.
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Postby Irona » Thu Mar 01, 2018 5:04 pm

The East Marches II wrote:
Irona wrote:That's not the economic argument.


That is a large portion of it. Its also under the headline of other stupid comments like "two democracies have never gone to war". Ash and trash that should be binned but our political class is asleep at the helm.

No it isn't. The economic argument for free trade isn't based on China liberalising.

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Postby The East Marches II » Thu Mar 01, 2018 5:05 pm

Irona wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:Free trade is beneficial if you hate environmental regulations, child labor laws and worker comp, and want to move our production to where those can't touch it

I mean if all you care about is production. But it benefits consumers, and the wider economy. Comparative Advantage shows that free trade allows specialisation that benefits both sides. Cheap steel from China allows US construction firms to build more, grow more, etc.


Assuming we are competing on equal playing field and they aren't playing dirty games. I agree, trade is good. One way trade done with duplicitous partners who merely want your intellectual property and industrial base is suicidal.

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Postby The East Marches II » Thu Mar 01, 2018 5:05 pm

Irona wrote:
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That is a large portion of it. Its also under the headline of other stupid comments like "two democracies have never gone to war". Ash and trash that should be binned but our political class is asleep at the helm.

No it isn't. The economic argument for free trade isn't based on China liberalising.


I must of forgotten that when Bush sold that pile of lies to us in the early 2000s.

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Postby Irona » Thu Mar 01, 2018 5:06 pm

The East Marches II wrote:
Irona wrote:....

There isn't open borders or unrestricted trade. Nobody knows the impact, because it hasn't been put into place.


Nah, you don't. Its cool though, I didn't mind Clinton talking about free movement with Latin America among those bankers. Wages need to be kept down afterall :^]

That doesn't really make sense. Maybe rewrite that?

Also: Wtf is with the crying face? It's so childish.

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