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That represents a mere handful of people, not the fifth of the country Senkaku claimed.
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Postby Uxupox » Fri May 11, 2018 7:43 pm

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Geneviev wrote:He's not a monster. He's done some good. And the people who accept that are immediately attacked.

He discredited the United States and proved the hardliners in Iran correct in one FUCKOBAMA tantrum to where they're likely to restart the nuclear program with a vengeance, and possibly telling Kim Jong-Un that he probably should reconsider his pledge to abandon nuclear weapon development. Some good indeed.


I mean the Iranian response was pretty funny too. Print out a USA flag (From google images I think it was?) from an officer printer and proceed to rip it in live television. lol.
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Postby Senkaku » Fri May 11, 2018 7:47 pm

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He's an entitled, self-obsessed narcissist whose actions demonstrate little care for other people, very low empathy, little self awareness and weird obsessional fixation on a small slight Obama made against him as the base for every and all decisions he makes.

Monster maybe not, unfit for a president certainly.

Any success comes from his philosophy of negotiating from power and calling people's bluff because he's never had to face any real consequences in life. Hence he has no respect for other people's opinions because he's never had to. Even when he fucks up completely daddy comes in and buys some casino chips to bail him out.

Nothing is or ever has been his fault.

Honestly, even without armchair diagnosis he's pretty high on the sociopath scale.

You can't diagnose from a distance. He's had a very nice life, yeah. That does not make him a bad president.

The presidency doesn't make him a dick, that's just who he is- and he also, coincidentally, happens to be a bad president. We've had plenty of unpleasant people who did alright, he's not one of them.
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Postby Bombadil » Fri May 11, 2018 7:49 pm

Geneviev wrote:
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He's an entitled, self-obsessed narcissist whose actions demonstrate little care for other people, very low empathy, little self awareness and weird obsessional fixation on a small slight Obama made against him as the base for every and all decisions he makes.

Monster maybe not, unfit for a president certainly.

Any success comes from his philosophy of negotiating from power and calling people's bluff because he's never had to face any real consequences in life. Hence he has no respect for other people's opinions because he's never had to. Even when he fucks up completely daddy comes in and buys some casino chips to bail him out.

Nothing is or ever has been his fault.

Honestly, even without armchair diagnosis he's pretty high on the sociopath scale.

You can't diagnose from a distance. He's had a very nice life, yeah. That does not make him a bad president.


Well you can to a degree, plenty of observations are made from recording a session on TV.. and he's often on TV.. one can note how he reacts, his ability to make eye contact, his body comfort level beyond his utterances and actions.

No one thing means much on its own but put all together and it's pretty clear he's an extreme narcissist.

Look.. on N. Korea this works, it takes a bully to deal with a bully.. he called Kim's bluff from a position of power.. on near everything else he's fucking up.. he's pushing a trade war with the world, he's gutting the administration through neglect and low levels of concentration, he's driving division in America and he's giving in to damaging vested interests.

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Postby Telconi » Fri May 11, 2018 7:49 pm

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Geneviev wrote:You can't diagnose from a distance. He's had a very nice life, yeah. That does not make him a bad president.

The presidency doesn't make him a dick, that's just who he is- and he also, coincidentally, happens to be a bad president. We've had plenty of unpleasant people who did alright, he's not one of them.


We've also had worse TBH. He may not be on the upper side, but he isn't some terrible outlier.
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Postby Geneviev » Fri May 11, 2018 7:58 pm

Senkaku wrote:
Geneviev wrote:You can't diagnose from a distance. He's had a very nice life, yeah. That does not make him a bad president.

The presidency doesn't make him a dick, that's just who he is- and he also, coincidentally, happens to be a bad president. We've had plenty of unpleasant people who did alright, he's not one of them.

President John Tyler was objectively worse, I am sure. There were a lot of bad presidents.
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Postby Petrasylvania » Fri May 11, 2018 7:59 pm

Geneviev wrote:
Senkaku wrote:The presidency doesn't make him a dick, that's just who he is- and he also, coincidentally, happens to be a bad president. We've had plenty of unpleasant people who did alright, he's not one of them.

President John Tyler was objectively worse, I am sure. There were a lot of bad presidents.

John Tyler gave a foreign country the green light to restarting a nuclear program?
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Postby Geneviev » Fri May 11, 2018 8:04 pm

Bombadil wrote:
Geneviev wrote:You can't diagnose from a distance. He's had a very nice life, yeah. That does not make him a bad president.


Well you can to a degree, plenty of observations are made from recording a session on TV.. and he's often on TV.. one can note how he reacts, his ability to make eye contact, his body comfort level beyond his utterances and actions.

No one thing means much on its own but put all together and it's pretty clear he's an extreme narcissist.

Look.. on N. Korea this works, it takes a bully to deal with a bully.. he called Kim's bluff from a position of power.. on near everything else he's fucking up.. he's pushing a trade war with the world, he's gutting the administration through neglect and low levels of concentration, he's driving division in America and he's giving in to damaging vested interests.

Is he guiding America to a smart, clean, technology driven future.. no, he's regressing to traditional interests.

The economy will crash in the next 2-3 years, all the signs are there.. look at this image alone.. Link

I am going to remind you of the Goldwater rule. It is unethical to diagnose from a distance, even with observations. It should be a commonly accepted rule.
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Postby Petrasylvania » Fri May 11, 2018 8:07 pm

Geneviev wrote:
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Well you can to a degree, plenty of observations are made from recording a session on TV.. and he's often on TV.. one can note how he reacts, his ability to make eye contact, his body comfort level beyond his utterances and actions.

No one thing means much on its own but put all together and it's pretty clear he's an extreme narcissist.

Look.. on N. Korea this works, it takes a bully to deal with a bully.. he called Kim's bluff from a position of power.. on near everything else he's fucking up.. he's pushing a trade war with the world, he's gutting the administration through neglect and low levels of concentration, he's driving division in America and he's giving in to damaging vested interests.

Is he guiding America to a smart, clean, technology driven future.. no, he's regressing to traditional interests.

The economy will crash in the next 2-3 years, all the signs are there.. look at this image alone.. Link

I am going to remind you of the Goldwater rule. It is unethical to diagnose from a distance, even with observations. It should be a commonly accepted rule.

Making a deduction on Trump's mental state will do nothing to affect his office, so the whole Goldwater Rule comes off as a convenient shield to suppress pointing out his irregular and obnoxious behaviors. Besides, some of the same people who invoke the Rule to defend Trump had no trouble trying to diagnose Hillary with quite a few ailments physical and mental.
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Postby Geneviev » Fri May 11, 2018 8:09 pm

Petrasylvania wrote:
Geneviev wrote:President John Tyler was objectively worse, I am sure. There were a lot of bad presidents.

John Tyler gave a foreign country the green light to restarting a nuclear program?

No, of course not. If nuclear weapons had existed then, he may have.
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Postby Geneviev » Fri May 11, 2018 8:17 pm

Petrasylvania wrote:
Geneviev wrote:I am going to remind you of the Goldwater rule. It is unethical to diagnose from a distance, even with observations. It should be a commonly accepted rule.

Making a deduction on Trump's mental state will do nothing to affect his office, so the whole Goldwater Rule comes off as a convenient shield to suppress pointing out his irregular and obnoxious behaviors. Besides, some of the same people who invoke the Rule to defend Trump had no trouble trying to diagnose Hillary with quite a few ailments physical and mental.

A few hypocrites don't make the Goldwater Rule invalid. It should still be respected.
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Postby Petrasylvania » Fri May 11, 2018 8:26 pm

Geneviev wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:Making a deduction on Trump's mental state will do nothing to affect his office, so the whole Goldwater Rule comes off as a convenient shield to suppress pointing out his irregular and obnoxious behaviors. Besides, some of the same people who invoke the Rule to defend Trump had no trouble trying to diagnose Hillary with quite a few ailments physical and mental.

A few hypocrites don't make the Goldwater Rule invalid. It should still be respected.

There's an inherent problem in being forced to respect an individual that has absolutely no respect for anyone other than himself. Just as a few people are going to find out the hard way, being loyal to someone with no grasp of loyalty to others is a serious problem.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Fri May 11, 2018 8:29 pm

Petrasylvania wrote:
Geneviev wrote:A few hypocrites don't make the Goldwater Rule invalid. It should still be respected.

There's an inherent problem in being forced to respect an individual that has absolutely no respect for anyone other than himself. Just as a few people are going to find out the hard way, being loyal to someone with no grasp of loyalty to others is a serious problem.

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Postby Telconi » Fri May 11, 2018 8:30 pm

Petrasylvania wrote:
Geneviev wrote:A few hypocrites don't make the Goldwater Rule invalid. It should still be respected.

There's an inherent problem in being forced to respect an individual that has absolutely no respect for anyone other than himself. Just as a few people are going to find out the hard way, being loyal to someone with no grasp of loyalty to others is a serious problem.


The Goldwater Rule is a person now?
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Postby Geneviev » Fri May 11, 2018 8:33 pm

Petrasylvania wrote:
Geneviev wrote:A few hypocrites don't make the Goldwater Rule invalid. It should still be respected.

There's an inherent problem in being forced to respect an individual that has absolutely no respect for anyone other than himself. Just as a few people are going to find out the hard way, being loyal to someone with no grasp of loyalty to others is a serious problem.

Respecting the Goldwater Rule is not the same as respecting the President.
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Senkaku wrote:The presidency doesn't make him a dick, that's just who he is- and he also, coincidentally, happens to be a bad president. We've had plenty of unpleasant people who did alright, he's not one of them.


We've also had worse TBH. He may not be on the upper side, but he isn't some terrible outlier.

That doesn't excuse him from being bad.

Like saying a guy who broke into your house and smashed your tv with a hammer came to you and said "At least I didn't smash your tv and your plates."
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Postby Telconi » Fri May 11, 2018 9:00 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Telconi wrote:
We've also had worse TBH. He may not be on the upper side, but he isn't some terrible outlier.

That doesn't excuse him from being bad.

Like saying a guy who broke into your house and smashed your tv with a hammer came to you and said "At least I didn't smash your tv and your plates."


Well I'm not saying it excuses him from being bad. But I mean, he's president... They kinda, well, smash things...
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Postby Camicon » Fri May 11, 2018 10:20 pm

Geneviev wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:There's an inherent problem in being forced to respect an individual that has absolutely no respect for anyone other than himself. Just as a few people are going to find out the hard way, being loyal to someone with no grasp of loyalty to others is a serious problem.

Respecting the Goldwater Rule is not the same as respecting the President.

The Goldwater Rule states that it is unethical for psychiatrists to give a professional opinion about people that they haven't examined, and that they haven't obtained consent to give from the person in question.

Nothing about the Goldwater Rule says that we laymen can't use the behaviour of Trump as evidence to argue that he is an idiot with little to no empathy for anyone or anything and the emotional maturity of a toddler.
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Postby Geneviev » Fri May 11, 2018 10:24 pm

Camicon wrote:
Geneviev wrote:Respecting the Goldwater Rule is not the same as respecting the President.

The Goldwater Rule states that it is unethical for psychiatrists to give a professional opinion about people that they haven't examined, and that they haven't obtained consent to give from the person in question.

Nothing about the Goldwater Rule says that we laymen can't use the behaviour of Trump as evidence to argue that he is an idiot with little to no empathy for anyone or anything and the emotional maturity of a toddler.

It is still unethical, especially when diagnosing a personality disorder or Dark Tetrad trait.
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Postby Petrasylvania » Fri May 11, 2018 10:28 pm

Geneviev wrote:
Camicon wrote:The Goldwater Rule states that it is unethical for psychiatrists to give a professional opinion about people that they haven't examined, and that they haven't obtained consent to give from the person in question.

Nothing about the Goldwater Rule says that we laymen can't use the behaviour of Trump as evidence to argue that he is an idiot with little to no empathy for anyone or anything and the emotional maturity of a toddler.

It is still unethical, especially when diagnosing a personality disorder or Dark Tetrad trait.

I don't recall anyone in this thread being a psychiatrist. Therefore the Goldwater Rule does not apply, and nobody seriously expects serious attention and response from Washington over an obscure forum making observations and deductions about Donnie.
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Postby Geneviev » Fri May 11, 2018 10:32 pm

Petrasylvania wrote:
Geneviev wrote:It is still unethical, especially when diagnosing a personality disorder or Dark Tetrad trait.

I don't recall anyone in this thread being a psychiatrist. Therefore the Goldwater Rule does not apply, and nobody seriously expects serious attention and response from Washington over an obscure forum making observations and deductions about Donnie.

No, the White House would probably not respond. It is still making claims with no evidence regarding not only the physical health, but the mental stability and capacity for leadership of a sitting US president.
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Postby Camicon » Fri May 11, 2018 10:44 pm

Geneviev wrote:
Camicon wrote:The Goldwater Rule states that it is unethical for psychiatrists to give a professional opinion about people that they haven't examined, and that they haven't obtained consent to give from the person in question.

Nothing about the Goldwater Rule says that we laymen can't use the behaviour of Trump as evidence to argue that he is an idiot with little to no empathy for anyone or anything and the emotional maturity of a toddler.

It is still unethical, especially when diagnosing a personality disorder or Dark Tetrad trait.

It's only unethical if you're offering a professional opinion to the public. None of us are doing that.
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Petrasylvania wrote:I don't recall anyone in this thread being a psychiatrist. Therefore the Goldwater Rule does not apply, and nobody seriously expects serious attention and response from Washington over an obscure forum making observations and deductions about Donnie.

No, the White House would probably not respond. It is still making claims with no evidence regarding not only the physical health, but the mental stability and capacity for leadership of a sitting US president.

They are not claims without evidence. Trump's behaviour and actions are very well documented, there is plenty of material there to use as evidence when making arguments about Trump's mental state.
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Sat May 12, 2018 4:39 am

Pompeo's promise of raising living standards in North Korea to the same levels as the South, if they give up nuclear weapons, would be a great deal for the world. The trouble is offering such a deal at the same time as the US pulls out of the Iran deal.

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An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Pompeo's promise of raising living standards in North Korea to the same levels as the South, if they give up nuclear weapons, would be a great deal for the world. The trouble is offering such a deal at the same time as the US pulls out of the Iran deal.


Not at all, North Korea has showed that it wants to change for the better, and is not threatening any US allies in the area anymore, unlike Iran, which remains an anti-Semitic theocracy bent on confronting the two principal US allies in the ME.
Besides, why do people undermine Kim's ability? Sure, he may seem weird to us, but, he has made a good gamble, trading in his nuclear program in return for an economy boost. It should also be noted that North Korea's ability to keep up it's nuclear program is quite questionable, considering reports of their test site actually destroying itself.

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Venetorria wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Pompeo's promise of raising living standards in North Korea to the same levels as the South, if they give up nuclear weapons, would be a great deal for the world. The trouble is offering such a deal at the same time as the US pulls out of the Iran deal.


Not at all, North Korea has showed that it wants to change for the better, and is not threatening any US allies in the area anymore, unlike Iran, which remains an anti-Semitic theocracy bent on confronting the two principal US allies in the ME.
Besides, why do people undermine Kim's ability? Sure, he may seem weird to us, but, he has made a good gamble, trading in his nuclear program in return for an economy boost. It should also be noted that North Korea's ability to keep up it's nuclear program is quite questionable, considering reports of their test site actually destroying itself.


I'm saying it makes the US seem less likely to keep their word.

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