Trump MAGAThread XII: A Tarriff-ic Thread!

[Geneviev]

He's not a monster. He's done some good.

If we accept that premise, there were non-monstrous people who joined the Wehrmacht out of patriotism and probably saved some kids from Allied bombs, or perhaps directed fire-fighting efforts in Berlin or some other city.

And the people who accept that are immediately attacked.

Those poor people, being asked to defend the president they support when they vocalize their support. Outrageous! This isn't supposed to be a free society or something!

Please don't make that comparison. It's entirely different. And yes, the Wehrmacht is the reason I'm here now, so...

Or called racist. That's an attack.

[Petrasylvania]

But now he's not "the better option", he's just POTUS- and yet the support persists, so forgive me, how again is it demonization?

He's not a monster. He's done some good. And the people who accept that are immediately attacked.

He discredited the United States and proved the hardliners in Iran correct in one FUCKOBAMA tantrum to where they're likely to restart the nuclear program with a vengeance, and possibly telling Kim Jong-Un that he probably should reconsider his pledge to abandon nuclear weapon development. Some good indeed.

[Ngelmish]

How about, they don't particularly care about whether or not he does wrong things because they value what he symbolizes? Emotional voting at it's best

More like they understand that there's no such thing as a perfect candidate, so they simply picked the better one.

"Better" meaning that they ignored things they literally care about, then sure. In those terms, one security blanket is enough

[Telconi]

Those people are a small, corrupt, minority.

Something like 90% of Evangelicals support him, and if they're around 26% of the total population (all based on the most recent polling I've seen, so feel free to check my math), that leaves us with something like a little over a fifth of the country as a "small, corrupt minority."

"support" and "Think he's a man of God" are not the same thing.

[Geneviev]

He's not a monster. He's done some good. And the people who accept that are immediately attacked.

He discredited the United States and proved the hardliners in Iran correct in one FUCKOBAMA tantrum to where they're likely to restart the nuclear program with a vengeance, and possibly telling Kim Jong-Un that he probably should reconsider his pledge to abandon nuclear weapon development. Some good indeed.

Yes, he messed up foreign policy to an extreme. He also brought back jobs. The unemployment rate is lower now.

[Telconi]

They're supporting him as the better option than Hillary. Not believing every word he says and considering it absolute perfection.

Supporting a con artist with a colossal history of cheating employees and small businesses- some to the point of bankruptcy- as well as conning numerous people under the facade of a "university" as "the better option" displays an incredible amount of ignorance and/or willful denial.

Are you saying Donald Trump is the single worst human being on the planet? Because if not then he is by definition better than some.

[Bombadil]

But now he's not "the better option", he's just POTUS- and yet the support persists, so forgive me, how again is it demonization?

He's not a monster. He's done some good. And the people who accept that are immediately attacked.

He's an entitled, self-obsessed narcissist whose actions demonstrate little care for other people, very low empathy, little self awareness and weird obsessional fixation on a small slight Obama made against him as the base for every and all decisions he makes.

Monster maybe not, unfit for a president certainly.

Any success comes from his philosophy of negotiating from power and calling people's bluff because he's never had to face any real consequences in life. Hence he has no respect for other people's opinions because he's never had to. Even when he fucks up completely daddy comes in and buys some casino chips to bail him out.

Nothing is or ever has been his fault.

Honestly, even without armchair diagnosis he's pretty high on the sociopath scale.

[Petrasylvania]

Something like 90% of Evangelicals support him, and if they're around 26% of the total population (all based on the most recent polling I've seen, so feel free to check my math), that leaves us with something like a little over a fifth of the country as a "small, corrupt minority."

"support" and "Think he's a man of God" are not the same thing.

Donald Trump's 'spiritual adviser' claims God elevated him to presidency

TRUMP WILL START THE END OF THE WORLD, CLAIM EVANGELICALS WHO SUPPORT HIM

Recognizing God's Hand in Donald Trump's Election

[Geneviev]

He's not a monster. He's done some good. And the people who accept that are immediately attacked.

He's an entitled, self-obsessed narcissist whose actions demonstrate little care for other people, very low empathy, little self awareness and weird obsessional fixation on a small slight Obama made against him as the base for every and all decisions he makes.

Monster maybe not, unfit for a president certainly.

Any success comes from his philosophy of negotiating from power and calling people's bluff because he's never had to face any real consequences in life. Hence he has no respect for other people's opinions because he's never had to. Even when he fucks up completely daddy comes in and buys some casino chips to bail him out.

Nothing is or ever has been his fault.

Honestly, even without armchair diagnosis he's pretty high on the sociopath scale.

You can't diagnose from a distance. He's had a very nice life, yeah. That does not make him a bad president.

[Telconi]

"support" and "Think he's a man of God" are not the same thing.

Donald Trump's 'spiritual adviser' claims God elevated him to presidency

TRUMP WILL START THE END OF THE WORLD, CLAIM EVANGELICALS WHO SUPPORT HIM

Recognizing God's Hand in Donald Trump's Election

That represents a mere handful of people, not the fifth of the country Senkaku claimed.

[Uxupox]

He's not a monster. He's done some good. And the people who accept that are immediately attacked.

He discredited the United States and proved the hardliners in Iran correct in one FUCKOBAMA tantrum to where they're likely to restart the nuclear program with a vengeance, and possibly telling Kim Jong-Un that he probably should reconsider his pledge to abandon nuclear weapon development. Some good indeed.

I mean the Iranian response was pretty funny too. Print out a USA flag (From google images I think it was?) from an officer printer and proceed to rip it in live television. lol.

[Senkaku]

He's an entitled, self-obsessed narcissist whose actions demonstrate little care for other people, very low empathy, little self awareness and weird obsessional fixation on a small slight Obama made against him as the base for every and all decisions he makes.

Monster maybe not, unfit for a president certainly.

Any success comes from his philosophy of negotiating from power and calling people's bluff because he's never had to face any real consequences in life. Hence he has no respect for other people's opinions because he's never had to. Even when he fucks up completely daddy comes in and buys some casino chips to bail him out.

Nothing is or ever has been his fault.

Honestly, even without armchair diagnosis he's pretty high on the sociopath scale.

You can't diagnose from a distance. He's had a very nice life, yeah. That does not make him a bad president.

The presidency doesn't make him a dick, that's just who he is- and he also, coincidentally, happens to be a bad president. We've had plenty of unpleasant people who did alright, he's not one of them.

[Bombadil]

He's an entitled, self-obsessed narcissist whose actions demonstrate little care for other people, very low empathy, little self awareness and weird obsessional fixation on a small slight Obama made against him as the base for every and all decisions he makes.

Monster maybe not, unfit for a president certainly.

Any success comes from his philosophy of negotiating from power and calling people's bluff because he's never had to face any real consequences in life. Hence he has no respect for other people's opinions because he's never had to. Even when he fucks up completely daddy comes in and buys some casino chips to bail him out.

Nothing is or ever has been his fault.

Honestly, even without armchair diagnosis he's pretty high on the sociopath scale.

You can't diagnose from a distance. He's had a very nice life, yeah. That does not make him a bad president.

Well you can to a degree, plenty of observations are made from recording a session on TV.. and he's often on TV.. one can note how he reacts, his ability to make eye contact, his body comfort level beyond his utterances and actions.

No one thing means much on its own but put all together and it's pretty clear he's an extreme narcissist.

Look.. on N. Korea this works, it takes a bully to deal with a bully.. he called Kim's bluff from a position of power.. on near everything else he's fucking up.. he's pushing a trade war with the world, he's gutting the administration through neglect and low levels of concentration, he's driving division in America and he's giving in to damaging vested interests.

Is he guiding America to a smart, clean, technology driven future.. no, he's regressing to traditional interests.

The economy will crash in the next 2-3 years, all the signs are there.. look at this image alone.. Link

[Telconi]

You can't diagnose from a distance. He's had a very nice life, yeah. That does not make him a bad president.

The presidency doesn't make him a dick, that's just who he is- and he also, coincidentally, happens to be a bad president. We've had plenty of unpleasant people who did alright, he's not one of them.

We've also had worse TBH. He may not be on the upper side, but he isn't some terrible outlier.

[Geneviev]

You can't diagnose from a distance. He's had a very nice life, yeah. That does not make him a bad president.

The presidency doesn't make him a dick, that's just who he is- and he also, coincidentally, happens to be a bad president. We've had plenty of unpleasant people who did alright, he's not one of them.

President John Tyler was objectively worse, I am sure. There were a lot of bad presidents.

[Petrasylvania]

The presidency doesn't make him a dick, that's just who he is- and he also, coincidentally, happens to be a bad president. We've had plenty of unpleasant people who did alright, he's not one of them.

President John Tyler was objectively worse, I am sure. There were a lot of bad presidents.

John Tyler gave a foreign country the green light to restarting a nuclear program?

[Geneviev]

You can't diagnose from a distance. He's had a very nice life, yeah. That does not make him a bad president.

Well you can to a degree, plenty of observations are made from recording a session on TV.. and he's often on TV.. one can note how he reacts, his ability to make eye contact, his body comfort level beyond his utterances and actions.

No one thing means much on its own but put all together and it's pretty clear he's an extreme narcissist.

Look.. on N. Korea this works, it takes a bully to deal with a bully.. he called Kim's bluff from a position of power.. on near everything else he's fucking up.. he's pushing a trade war with the world, he's gutting the administration through neglect and low levels of concentration, he's driving division in America and he's giving in to damaging vested interests.

Is he guiding America to a smart, clean, technology driven future.. no, he's regressing to traditional interests.

The economy will crash in the next 2-3 years, all the signs are there.. look at this image alone.. Link

I am going to remind you of the Goldwater rule. It is unethical to diagnose from a distance, even with observations. It should be a commonly accepted rule.

[Petrasylvania]

Well you can to a degree, plenty of observations are made from recording a session on TV.. and he's often on TV.. one can note how he reacts, his ability to make eye contact, his body comfort level beyond his utterances and actions.

No one thing means much on its own but put all together and it's pretty clear he's an extreme narcissist.

Look.. on N. Korea this works, it takes a bully to deal with a bully.. he called Kim's bluff from a position of power.. on near everything else he's fucking up.. he's pushing a trade war with the world, he's gutting the administration through neglect and low levels of concentration, he's driving division in America and he's giving in to damaging vested interests.

Is he guiding America to a smart, clean, technology driven future.. no, he's regressing to traditional interests.

The economy will crash in the next 2-3 years, all the signs are there.. look at this image alone.. Link

I am going to remind you of the Goldwater rule. It is unethical to diagnose from a distance, even with observations. It should be a commonly accepted rule.

Making a deduction on Trump's mental state will do nothing to affect his office, so the whole Goldwater Rule comes off as a convenient shield to suppress pointing out his irregular and obnoxious behaviors. Besides, some of the same people who invoke the Rule to defend Trump had no trouble trying to diagnose Hillary with quite a few ailments physical and mental.

[Geneviev]

President John Tyler was objectively worse, I am sure. There were a lot of bad presidents.

John Tyler gave a foreign country the green light to restarting a nuclear program?

No, of course not. If nuclear weapons had existed then, he may have.

[Geneviev]

I am going to remind you of the Goldwater rule. It is unethical to diagnose from a distance, even with observations. It should be a commonly accepted rule.

Making a deduction on Trump's mental state will do nothing to affect his office, so the whole Goldwater Rule comes off as a convenient shield to suppress pointing out his irregular and obnoxious behaviors. Besides, some of the same people who invoke the Rule to defend Trump had no trouble trying to diagnose Hillary with quite a few ailments physical and mental.

A few hypocrites don't make the Goldwater Rule invalid. It should still be respected.

[Petrasylvania]

Making a deduction on Trump's mental state will do nothing to affect his office, so the whole Goldwater Rule comes off as a convenient shield to suppress pointing out his irregular and obnoxious behaviors. Besides, some of the same people who invoke the Rule to defend Trump had no trouble trying to diagnose Hillary with quite a few ailments physical and mental.

A few hypocrites don't make the Goldwater Rule invalid. It should still be respected.

There's an inherent problem in being forced to respect an individual that has absolutely no respect for anyone other than himself. Just as a few people are going to find out the hard way, being loyal to someone with no grasp of loyalty to others is a serious problem.

[Northern Davincia]

A few hypocrites don't make the Goldwater Rule invalid. It should still be respected.

There's an inherent problem in being forced to respect an individual that has absolutely no respect for anyone other than himself. Just as a few people are going to find out the hard way, being loyal to someone with no grasp of loyalty to others is a serious problem.

Nobody said you had to respect Trump.

[Telconi]

A few hypocrites don't make the Goldwater Rule invalid. It should still be respected.

There's an inherent problem in being forced to respect an individual that has absolutely no respect for anyone other than himself. Just as a few people are going to find out the hard way, being loyal to someone with no grasp of loyalty to others is a serious problem.

The Goldwater Rule is a person now?

[Geneviev]

A few hypocrites don't make the Goldwater Rule invalid. It should still be respected.

There's an inherent problem in being forced to respect an individual that has absolutely no respect for anyone other than himself. Just as a few people are going to find out the hard way, being loyal to someone with no grasp of loyalty to others is a serious problem.

Respecting the Goldwater Rule is not the same as respecting the President.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

The presidency doesn't make him a dick, that's just who he is- and he also, coincidentally, happens to be a bad president. We've had plenty of unpleasant people who did alright, he's not one of them.

We've also had worse TBH. He may not be on the upper side, but he isn't some terrible outlier.

That doesn't excuse him from being bad.

Like saying a guy who broke into your house and smashed your tv with a hammer came to you and said "At least I didn't smash your tv and your plates."