Trump MAGAThread XII: A Tarriff-ic Thread!

[Mike the Progressive]

"Wait... y'all are serious? We though the Koreans were messing with us."

Last I heard they were alive and have not suffered nasty case of "botulism."

Only downside is the withdrawl of the Iran plan apparently has the imprisoned Americans there up the proverbial creek.

Somewhere a Cubs fan is looking at the pentagram on their basement floor and wondering if it was really worth it.

The answer is always yes.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Because Mr. Blair was basically Bush's bitch tbh.

Indeed he was but.. essentially he started out thinking he could be a guiding force, something the UK often thinks it can be with the US but rarely if ever is.. then he got sucked in one concession at a time to supporting the invasion.

I mean the UK sends out Johnson with the misguided belief that the UK has some paternal influence over the US, it doesn't and especially not over Trump.

So again, I really don't see the point of this visit, not for Trump, not for the UK.. just let it go..

*starts singing*

I'm hoping it goes so badly it shatters the illusion of a special relationship, and pushes us in the UK back into the arms of the EU.

[Gravlen]

Your post makes no sense. Of course tangible results are helpful and would strengthen a case for the prize, even if they're not required. Like how ICAN got the prize despite the fact that nuclear weapons still exist. They won for their efforts, though the Treaty on the Prohibition of Nuclear Weapons was a tangible result. Of course, that didn't help the South Koreans or the Peruvians, but then again, the ability to do magic was never expected.

You state that my post makes no sense, but then you essentially agree with my conclusion. You are also vastly mischaracterizing how high I've set the bar. I don't expect magic or a perfect solution from a Nobel prize winner. What I expect is actual "positive results" towards achieving the goals of the Nobel committee, even if partially. What is effort worth but the ends it seeks to accomplish? Awarding effort without any kind of positive results is just a participation trophy. Nine months into his term, Obama hadn't achieved positive results sufficient to deserve a Nobel Peace Prize. Look at how flimsy the committee justification was.

Jagland said "We have not given the prize for what may happen in the future. We are awarding Obama for what he has done in the past year. And we are hoping this may contribute a little bit for what he is trying to do," noting that he hoped the award would assist Obama's foreign policy efforts. Jagland said the committee was influenced by a speech Obama gave about Islam in Cairo in June 2009,

This was a purely symbolic speech that accomplished nothing.

the president's efforts to prevent nuclear proliferation and climate change

Again, effort without any positive results is just a participation trophy.

and Obama's support for using established international bodies such as the United Nations to pursue foreign policy goals.

Oh, wow. Using the UN to solve international issues. Where else could we receive such sage wisdom, except from the mouth of BarracK Hussein Obama?

Let's face it. The committee gave him the prize for two reasons. 1) They thought he had made progress towards the goals of the committee, when he really hadn't in any significant way, and 2) they thought it would help his future endeavors, which is a preemptive peace prize (that failed). It was the flimsiest nomination.

That you feel it would only be a "participation trophy" doesn't change the fact that the Prize is given for effort and work towards, not results. Carl von Ossietzky won due to his struggle against Germany's rearmament. The struggle ultimately failed and WW2 broke out, so it was only a participation trophy. I mentioned ICAN above, but we also have Joseph Rotblat, International Physicians for the Prevention of Nuclear War, and Linus Pauling who all worked against nuclear weapons in different ways - yet we still have them and still see them being developed and tested. Participation trophies. Henry Kissinger and Lê Đức Thọ? The Vietnam War continued. Participation trophy. Dalai Lama? Tibet is not liberated. Participation trophy. Ferdinand Buisson and Ludwig Quidde? World War 2 broke out, so their efforts at Franco-German reconciliation failed. Participation trophy.

Let's face it. They don't hand it out for actual "positive results". It's always been a "participation trophy". This might be news to you, but that's because you've misunderstood the criterias for the Prize.

[Communist Xomaniax]

The US promised to respect the sovereignty of Libya and Iraq provided they did not develop WMDs and, in Iraq's case, actively lied about it. The end results were the same: broken promises and collapsed nations. The US has rattled the saber with the North Korean regime for years and has always sanctioned it, always sought to drum up support for war and bait it into attack. Now the US rattles the saber with Iran after pulling out of a treaty the regime was fully cooperating with.

Any nation that would trust the US to keep its promises is idiotic. Denuclearization has always been an excuse to keep America's enemies weak, to keep the option of "regime change" on the table. Historical precedent suggests the US empire will seek Iran's destruction. Nuclear weapons are the only guarantee that the US imperialists will respect a nation's sovereignty.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

It doesn't need to, it just should just not kill people who love other people in the same sex.

...ok you seem to have missed the point so imma let it go lol

Nah, I saw your point, but people who throw away gay people's lives like it's nothing should not be allowed to decide the fate of a whole city.

[West Leas Oros]

...ok you seem to have missed the point so imma let it go lol

Nah, I saw your point, but people who throw away gay people's lives like it's nothing should not be allowed to decide the fate of a whole city.

No offense, but this fixation on “social progress” is why you are considered an SJW by some. Just mentioning.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Nah, I saw your point, but people who throw away gay people's lives like it's nothing should not be allowed to decide the fate of a whole city.

No offense, but this fixation on “social progress” is why you are considered an SJW by some. Just mentioning.

I see, but I don't think it's "progress" to stop giving gay people the death penalty for being gay.

I think it's basic common sense.

Not exactly a high bar to hit, not executing gay people for being gay.

[Albrenia]

No offense, but this fixation on “social progress” is why you are considered an SJW by some. Just mentioning.

I see, but I don't think it's "progress" to stop giving gay people the death penalty for being gay.

I think it's basic common sense.

Not exactly a high bar to hit, not executing gay people for being gay.

That is very true. Those who do execute people based on them being gay are just plain immoral barbarians, imho.

[Freezic Vast]

Indeed he was but.. essentially he started out thinking he could be a guiding force, something the UK often thinks it can be with the US but rarely if ever is.. then he got sucked in one concession at a time to supporting the invasion.

I mean the UK sends out Johnson with the misguided belief that the UK has some paternal influence over the US, it doesn't and especially not over Trump.

So again, I really don't see the point of this visit, not for Trump, not for the UK.. just let it go..

*starts singing*

I'm hoping it goes so badly it shatters the illusion of a special relationship, and pushes us in the UK back into the arms of the EU.

Won't happen.

[Vassenor]

I'm hoping it goes so badly it shatters the illusion of a special relationship, and pushes us in the UK back into the arms of the EU.

Won't happen.

Why not? One of the key things that was used to sell Brexit was how great the deals we'd get from the US would be and how that would totally make up for losing the EU market.

[Freezic Vast]

Won't happen.

Why not? One of the key things that was used to sell Brexit was how great the deals we'd get from the US would be and how that would totally make up for losing the EU market.

Because the Tories, specifically the PM said that Brexit is Brexit, it's going to happen and that she was not going to go against the will of the people by staying in the EU.

[Painisia]

As of the 10th of December, 1948 yes yes there is a universal rulebook.

"Universal" implies someone gives a damn. You, or I, or the UN can call something "universal" all they want, but if nobody cares to follow it, it's anything but.

So you love to watch people getting 3rd degree burns from a fresh nuclear bomb?

[Ifreann]

Why not? One of the key things that was used to sell Brexit was how great the deals we'd get from the US would be and how that would totally make up for losing the EU market.

Because the Tories, specifically the PM said that Brexit is Brexit, it's going to happen and that she was not going to go against the will of the people by staying in the EU.

The British PM also said there wasn't going to be a snap election. Then there was a snap election.

[San Lumen]

Because the Tories, specifically the PM said that Brexit is Brexit, it's going to happen and that she was not going to go against the will of the people by staying in the EU.

The British PM also said there wasn't going to be a snap election. Then there was a snap election.

Igorning the result of a referendum because you didn't like the outcome would be even worse.

[Cleveland Burning]

"Wait... y'all are serious? We though the Koreans were messing with us."

Last I heard they were alive and have not suffered nasty case of "botulism."

Only downside is the withdrawl of the Iran plan apparently has the imprisoned Americans there up the proverbial creek.

Somewhere a Cubs fan is looking at the pentagram on their basement floor and wondering if it was really worth it.[/quote]

A Burning Clevelander says "yeah, we figured it went down that way. 108 year drought, 10th inning, 7th game... 8-7 Cubs. smh...Obama totally rigged it. Yep."

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

Seems like some conservatives in Maryland have a billboard insinuating violent things should Trump be impeached.

[Conserative Morality]

Seems like some conservatives in Maryland have a billboard insinuating violent things should Trump be impeached.

>> the southern part of Maryland

I apologize for them, they are everything that's wrong with the state.

[Pilarcraft]

Seems like some conservatives in Maryland have a billboard insinuating violent things should Trump be impeached.

Trump's main fanbase (essentially The South) threatening to start a civil war or secession isn't exactly a surprise, though. It's been -more or less- the same since even before Bush. Personally I blame Nixon.
EDIT: I have realized that Maryland is not part of the south. Boo.

[Conserative Morality]

Seems like some conservatives in Maryland have a billboard insinuating violent things should Trump be impeached.

Trump's main fanbase (essentially The South) threatening to start a civil war or secession isn't exactly a surprise, though. It's been -more or less- the same since even before Bush. Personally I blame Nixon.

Personally I blame the compromise of '77.

Reconstruction ended too soon.

[Marylvania]

Seems like some conservatives in Maryland have a billboard insinuating violent things should Trump be impeached.

>> the southern part of Maryland

I apologize for them, they are everything that's wrong with the state.

Rural MD is not very different from that of it's neighboring states. This is only one idiot with money to waste on a bad idea billboard. Well, let's just hope anyhow.

[Pilarcraft]

>> the southern part of Maryland

I apologize for them, they are everything that's wrong with the state.

Rural MD is not very different from that of it's neighboring states. This is only one idiot with money to waste on a bad idea billboard. Well, let's just hope anyhow.

inner-city strife over controversial things that lead to gunslinging isn't anything new in the United States, though. I had hoped you guys had moved past that stage by the early interwar period and the APL.

[Marylvania]

Rural MD is not very different from that of it's neighboring states. This is only one idiot with money to waste on a bad idea billboard. Well, let's just hope anyhow.

inner-city strife over controversial things that lead to gunslinging isn't anything new in the United States, though. I had hoped you guys had moved past that stage by the early interwar period and the APL.

inner-city strife over controversial things that lead to gunslinging
My goodness, that's colorful.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Seems like some conservatives in Maryland have a billboard insinuating violent things should Trump be impeached.

Illegal, is a threat.

[San Lumen]

Seems like some conservatives in Maryland have a billboard insinuating violent things should Trump be impeached.

Completely unacceptable. Inciting violence against others is a crime. No one is above the law.

[Cekoviu]

Seems like some conservatives in Maryland have a billboard insinuating violent things should Trump be impeached.

Completely unacceptable. Inciting violence against others is a crime. No one is above the law.

Really? Because I seem to recall you saying that military officers should break the law to avoid getting in a war. :^)